Series Thread: M's Rest Of Season Thread 2021

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2022 MLB Free Agents​

Tracking the status and signings of all 2022 MLB fre

free agent starting pitchers...........


Player Option

Club Option

Mutual Option

PLAYER (59)	POS.	AGE	BATS	THROWS	TEAM	2021 SALARY	MARKET VALUE (AAV)
Luis Madero	SP	24.4	R	R	MIA	$570,500	-
Kohl Stewart	SP	27.0	R	R	CHC	$700,000	-
Eduardo Rodriguez	SP	28.5	L	L	BOS	$8,300,000	-
Zach Davies	SP	28.7	R	R	CHC	$8,630,000	-
Dylan Bundy	SP	28.8	S	R	LAA	$8,325,000	-
Carlos Rodon	SP	28.8	L	L	CHW	$3,000,000	$24,079,626
Noah Syndergaard	SP	29.1	L	R	NYM	$9,700,000	$29,258,183
Chi Chi Gonzalez	SP	29.7	R	R	COL	$1,100,000	-
Michael Lorenzen	SP	29.8	R	R	CIN	$4,437,500	-
Jon Gray	SP	29.9	R	R	COL	$6,000,000	-
Carlos Martinez	SP	30.0	R	R	STL	$17,000,000	-
Robbie Ray	SP	30.0	L	L	TOR	$8,000,000	$17,950,424
Jose Urena	SP	30.0	R	R	DET	$3,450,000	-
Yusei Kikuchi	SP	30.2	L	L	SEA	$14,500,000	-
Michael Wacha	SP	30.2	R	R	TB	$3,000,000	-

 

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mlb stats era............the omly one..on both lists...is robbie ray.........

4 BrandonWoodruff P	MIL	9	10	2.56	30	30	0	0	0	0	179.1	130	54	51	18	7	43	211	0.96	.200
5 ZackWheeler P	PHI	14	10	2.78	32	32	3	2	0	0	213.1	169	72	66	16	8	46	247	1.01	.215
6 KevinGausman P	SF	14	6	2.81	33	33	0	0	0	0	192.0	150	66	60	20	4	50	227	1.04	.210
7 RobbieRay P	TOR	13	7	2.84	32	32	0	0	0	0	193.1	150	62	61	33	4	52	248	1.04	.210
8 JulioUrias P	LAD	20	3	2.96	32	32	0	0	0	0	185.2	151	67	61	19	7	38	195	1.02	.219
9 MarcusStroman P	NYM	10	13	3.02	33	33	0	0	0	0	179.0	161	70	60	17	7	44	158	1.15	.242
10 MaxFried P	ATL	14	7	3.04	28	28	2	2	0	0	165.2	139	61	56	15	7	41	158	1.09	.227
11 AdamWainwright P	STL	17	7	3.05	32	32	3	1	0	0	206.1	168	72	70	21	9	50	174	1.06	.220

 

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2021..strike outs list..............with 248

1 RobbieRay P	TOR	13	7	2.84	32	32	0	0	0	0	193.1	150	62	61	33	4	52	248	1.04	.210
2 ZackWheeler P	PHI	14	10	2.78	32	32	3	2	0	0	213.1	169	72	66	16	8	46	247	1.01	.215
3 GerritCole P	NYY	16	8	3.23	30	30	2	1	0	0	181.1	151	69	65	24	2	41	243	1.06	.223
4 MaxScherzer P	LAD	15	4	2.46	30	30	1	0	0	0	179.1	119	53	49	23	10	36	236	0.86	.185
5 CorbinBurnes P	MIL	11	5	2.43	28	28	0	0	0	0	167.0	123	47	45	7	6	34	234	0.94	.201
6 KevinGausman P	SF	14	6	2.81	33	33	0	0	0	0	192.0	150	66	60	20	4	50	227	1.04	.210

 

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i dont see this guy..on either list.....

Carlos Rodon

SP

28.8

L

L

CHW

$3,000,000

$24,079,626

hhhhhhmmmmmmmm......................

sneeking......scooby

 

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prime time

Robbie Ray 38

L/L

6' 2"

215

10/01/1991

just off of ..tommy john

Noah Syndergaard 34

L/R

6' 6"

242

08/29/1992

Marco Gonzales 7

L/L

6' 1"

197

02/16/1992

Chris Flexen 77

R/R

6' 3"

250

07/01/1994

Tyler Anderson 31

L/L

6' 2"

220

12/30/1989

Logan Gilbert 36

R/R

6' 6"

225

05/05/1997

Yusei Kikuchi 18

L/L

6' 0"

200

06/17/1991

Justin Dunn 35 IL-60

R/R

6' 2"

185

09/22/1995

Matt Brash 47

R/R

6' 1"

170

05/12/1998

 

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awesome guys...at arkansas..pitchers..now ...............and by mid season next year......could be at tacoma.......kerr is already..at tacoma.........

8 LeviStoudt P	ARK	1	2	2.55	3	3	0	0	0	0	17.2	14	5	5	2	0	8	19	1.25	.219
9 DayeisonArias P	ARK	2	0	2.70	16	0	0	0	3	3	20.0	16	6	6	2	1	12	33	1.40	.211
10 GeorgeKirby P	ARK	1	1	2.77	6	6	0	0	0	0	26.0	25	8	8	0	1	7	28	1.23	.248
11 RayKerr P	ARK	2	1	2.83	24	0	0	0	3	6	28.2	18	11	9	2	1	10	43	0.98	.176
12 StevenMoyers P	ARK	4	2	2.83	21	7	0	0	0	0	54.0	42	18	17	3	1	14	48	1.04	.21

not yet

16 EmersonHancock P	ARK	1	1	3.29	3	3	0	0	0	0	13.2	10	6	5	0	0	4	13	1.02	.196

18 BrandonWilliamson P	ARK	2	5	3.48	13	13	0	0	0	0	67.1	62	33	26	7	4	23	94	1.26	.244

93 strike outs but..an era of over 4.0

DevinSweet P	ARK	5	6	4.74	25	13	0	0	1	1	79.2	81	45	42	18	3	29	93	1.38	.260

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at aqua sox............
Isaiah Campbell 62
Taylor Dollard 20
Tim Elliott 21

1 JuanThen P	EVE	2	5	6.46	14	14	0	0	0	0	54.1	68	42	39	12	2	19	59	1.60	.300

11 JimmyJoyce P	EVE	0	0	3.63	4	4	0	0	0	0	17.1	17	9	7	2	1	6	25	1.33	.246
12 TylerDriver P	EVE	3	4	6.75	11	3	0	0	0	3	26.2	28	24	20	3	8	16	26	1.65	.277

could move up from modesto...

BrayanPerez P	MOD	1	4	3.34	31	6	0	0	1	2	67.1	75	37	25	2	4	18	81	1.38	.270

JimmyKingsbury P	MOD	2	1	2.20	8	7	0	0	0	0	32.2	16	8	8	2	5	11	39	0.83	.138
4 WilliamFleming P	MOD	3	0	2.84	7	2	0	0	0	0	19.0	14	7	6	2	0	3	22	0.89	.203

LuisCurvelo P	MOD	5	1	3.58	37	0	0	0	6	10	55.1	49	31	22	4	2	18	80	1.21	.229

mariners need a huge load.,,of ..LH....pitching they have almost..none

 

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I still firmly agree on the blocking part. But if you can flip one of those prospects to add say an ace and fill in the prospects spot with a FA so be it. I would’ve flipped JRod and Kirby for Scherzer and Turner because that is the trade you make with your top guy. Max is old going into next year, but going into camp you have 3 ace ability guys with Gilbert, Hancock and Kirby, along with whatever Brash is going to bring. Maybe Williamson as well, plus the 3 other guys (count remember their names off the top of my head) who will all be vying for a spot or trade bait.

I just don’t see OF as a need at all this off-season. But I also truly hope Jerry doesn’t put Raleigh in the Kelenic and JRod camp of they are penciled in as a stater. They need a C, 2B, 3B and two pitchers, preferably an ace and another guy 6-7 inning guy like Castillo. The chances of a repeat from the bullpen performance is slim but if does it would make the 2022 season the best ever by a pen with adding Munoz and Giles. I liked Toro’s first couple of weeks but is anyone comfortable with him being penciled in at 2B or 3B? Maybe slide him into the Dylan Moore role.

I have no problem dealing top prospect for studs because you can't get studs just anywhere. Trading them for half a season of Scherzer w/o an extension upon the trade would give me big pause. I definitely would have done it if we had actually had a true offseason with adding talent and all. Since we didn't, I would have probably only traded for controllable stars. Kind of like the Cano signing. Sign him if going for it, great. Signing him and doing nothing else, nothing.

WAR By Position
LF = 28th at .1
CF = 25th at .6
RF = 11th at 2.5

Our only outfield position that produced was RF and he is on his last year. I think the OF with it's huge ability to produce runs by a position needs huge improvement. Maybe that is just one stud LF, but something.

Catcher upgrade would be nice, but not as easy to do and as long as they are good defensively and you build a lineup around them you can live with it. 2B and 3B would probably be either or. I don't see them moving on from Toro and SS and 1B are locked in.

An Ace...Yes please but sounds like Dip is concentrating on offense. And there is zero trust by me when it comes to the pen. How often do veteran RP's come out of nowhere and become year to year studs? Rarely. One year wonders? Happens more than we think.

 

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modesto..

13 ConnorPhillips P	MOD	7	3	4.75	16	16	0	0	0	0	72.0	62	42	38	1	4	44	104	1.47	.229

AdamMacko P	MOD	2	2	4.59	9	9	0	0	0	0	33.1	29	19	17	1	2	21	56	1.50	.223

SamCarlson P	MOD	6	4	4.77	19	19	0	0	0	0	100.0	107	69	53	7	13	44	112	1.51	.268

11 MaxRoberts P	MOD	0	0	4.30	11	5	0	0	0	0	23.0	16	14	11	2	2	14	29	1.30	.200

6 JosiasDe Los Santos P	MOD	4	8	5.27	20	20	0	0	0	0	95.2	100	68	56	7	3	70	89	1.78	.271

jorgeBenitez P	MOD	1	2	5.70	27	0	0	0	0	0	36.1	37	31	23	2	2	27	51	1.76	.257

some of these guys been here a while...roberts for sure........

 

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I have no problem dealing top prospect for studs because you can't get studs just anywhere. Trading them for half a season of Scherzer w/o an extension upon the trade would give me big pause. I definitely would have done it if we had actually had a true offseason with adding talent and all. Since we didn't, I would have probably only traded for controllable stars. Kind of like the Cano signing. Sign him if going for it, great. Signing him and doing nothing else, nothing.

WAR By Position
LF = 28th at .1
CF = 25th at .6
RF = 11th at 2.5

Our only outfield position that produced was RF and he is on his last year. I think the OF with it's huge ability to produce runs by a position needs huge improvement. Maybe that is just one stud LF, but something.

Catcher upgrade would be nice, but not as easy to do and as long as they are good defensively and you build a lineup around them you can live with it. 2B and 3B would probably be either or. I don't see them moving on from Toro and SS and 1B are locked in.

An Ace...Yes please but sounds like Dip is concentrating on offense. And there is zero trust by me when it comes to the pen. How often do veteran RP's come out of nowhere and become year to year studs? Rarely. One year wonders? Happens more than we think.

yeah...they at least need to try.......for ray...cuz...even if paxton comes back...he is not ray........the strike out champ this year.....

 

[NWinAZ]

I still firmly agree on the blocking part. But if you can flip one of those prospects to add say an ace and fill in the prospects spot with a FA so be it. I would’ve flipped JRod and Kirby for Scherzer and Turner because that is the trade you make with your top guy.

A guy that fits the mold for me to give up top prospects for would be Devers. No we couldn't get him, but visage, controllable contract and talent is a player type we should shoot for if dealing top prospects.

The Top 25 MLB Players Under 25 Years Old

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www.theringer.com

 

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Robbie Ray 38

L/L

6' 2"

215

10/01/1991

Chris Flexen 77

R/R

6' 3"

250

07/01/1994

Marco Gonzales 7

L/L

6' 1"

197

02/16/1992

Logan Gilbert 36

R/R

6' 6"

225

05/05/1997`

Tyler Anderson 31

L/L

6' 2"

220

12/30/1989

Justin Dunn 35 IL-60

R/R

6' 2"

185

09/22/1995

Yusei Kikuchi 18

L/L

6' 0"

200

06/17/1991

Matt Brash 47

R/R

6' 1"

170

05/12/1998

this will do..with the door open to tacoma....i may hv been gitting greedy...with syndergaard...
abd all the starters at tacoma..and then..the ones at AA..

LeviStoudt P	ARK	1	2	2.55	3	3	0	0	0	0	17.2	14	5	5	2	0	8	19	1.25	.219
9 DayeisonArias P	ARK	2	0	2.70	16	0	0	0	3	3	20.0	16	6	6	2	1	12	33	1.40	.211
10 GeorgeKirby P	ARK	1	1	2.77	6	6	0	0	0	0	26.0	25	8	8	0	1	7	28	1.23	.248

who will..prob be ready..by...july..to move up...........

 

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high on my list

19. Julio Urías, P, Los Angeles Dodgers​

Baumann rank: 20
Kram rank: 18
Lindbergh rank: 18
Wagner rank: 17

He’s on my list because he is … not currently injured, which I think is an important distinction. He has returned from his injuries and pitched quite well. —Lindbergh

15. Jazz Chisholm, 2B/SS, Miami Marlins​

Baumann rank: 14
Kram rank: 23
Lindbergh rank: 13
Wagner rank: 12

I’ve bought in to the hype. He’s such an exciting player who’s had the highlights, like hitting the home run on a triple-digit [Jacob] deGrom fastball. It seems like he has the ability to hit the best stuff and hit it hard. The raw skills seem to be impressive enough and he is young enough that I’m a believer. —Lindb

12. Eloy Jiménez, OF, Chicago White Sox​

Baumann rank: 15
Kram rank: 15
Lindbergh rank: 15
Wagner rank: 11

There’s a reason that the White Sox had such a fun lineup that we were looking forward to seeing. If Eloy were healthy right now and hitting like he did in 2020, even without any improvement, he would’ve been in my top 10 fairly comfortably. —Kram

i dont count the guys the mariners have already........==kelenic

5. Bo Bichette, SS, Toronto Blue Jays​

Baumann rank: 5
Kram rank: 5
Lindbergh rank: 5
Wagner rank: 5

He’s a very good hitter at a premium defensive position. Putting that bat in that lineup spot just makes him so valuable. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Bichette’s game. He’s pluses all around. —Kram

i warch the others as well..but more ..when..they are..the guys you keep an eye on....lol

 

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i think toro will be 3b.....who they like ..for 2b...i dont know........
but they could trade fir the top 2b..prospect
or catcher..if they wanted....
thsi guy,,,
Nolan
Gorman
2B/3B, Memphis Redbirds, AAA

Minors​

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SEASON	TEAM	G	AB	OBP	SLG	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	K	SB	AVG
2018	2 Teams	63	237	.380	.570	49	69	13	1	17	44	34	76	1	.291
2019	2 Teams	125	456	.326	.439	65	113	30	6	15	62	45	152	2	.248
2021	2 Teams	119	480	.333	.481	71	134	20	1	25	75	38	115	7	.279
Career	5 Teams	307	1173	.340	.483	185	316	63	8	57	181

Cardinals
Top 30

or
Tommy Edman 19

Tommy Edman 19

S/R

5' 10"

180

05/09/1995

or

Edmundo Sosa 63

R/R

6' 0"

210

03/06/1996

 

[NWinAZ]

A way too early offseason prediction(?) or more like a Dipoto maybeism(?)

A guy I think Dipoto may target in a deal next year could be Cody Bellinger. He got off to a great start his first couple years, then now has greatly been a shadow of himself the last 3 but is still only 25 and under control for two more years.

If Haniger won't extend, time to move him and Dodgers would be a great fit. I could see Haniger for Bellinger and Vargas their #6 prospect.

 

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Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Fletcher	OF	3
Sosa	2B	15.4

Total Value: 18.40​

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Dunn	SP	8.4
Then	RHP	4.9
Trammell	OF	5.1

Total Value: 18.40​

Mariners

 

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Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Vargas	1B	20.2

Total Value 20.20​

Name	Position	MTV ($Ms)
Brash	RHP	11.3
Carlson	RHP	0.5
Dunn	SP	8.4

 

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A way too early offseason prediction(?) or more like a Dipoto maybeism(?)

A guy I think Dipoto may target in a deal next year could be Cody Bellinger. He got off to a great start his first couple years, then now has greatly been a shadow of himself the last 3 but is still only 25 and under control for two more years.

If Haniger won't extend, time to move him and Dodgers would be a great fit. I could see Haniger for Bellinger and Vargas their #6 prospect.

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just showing ..the mariners could trade..for almost,...anyone they..want..right now..if they want them bad enough....oppp got go..

 

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with seager gone..that is they said 90 mil............ 60 mil players salaries +30mil operating costs now minus 14 mil which somehow i dont expect
30 mil for operating costs next year.............but lets just guess it will be 20 mil...which will be around 75 mil to start..//

one ..robbie ray style pitcher..===25-30 mil

Marcus Semien	SS	31.0	R	R	TOR	$18,000,000	$19,554,245
Trevor Story	SS	28.8	R	R	COL	$18,500,000	$29,829,964
Corey Seager	SS	27.4	L	R	LAD	$13,750,000	$30,299,030
Carlos Correa	SS	27.0	R	R	HOU	$11,700,000	$26,623,480
Javier Baez	SS	28.8	R	R	NYM	$11,650,000	$24,158,172
Andrelton Simmons	SS	32.1	R	R	MIN	$10,500,000	-
Ehire Adrianza	SS	32.1	S	R	ATL	$1,500,000

maybe one of these ...guys...or..a trade for a 2B..either would be ok..a trade would cost less..hopefully..and..they would get a younger player..
that would last longer..hopefully