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[gkekoa]

Citizenship is a 24/7 job, it comes with birth or the oath that one takes to become counted as one. What makes it hard work has little to do with the benefits that we are afforded, but, with the charge that despite our objections we stand in defense of even those who do objectionable things. Not illegal things we have laws against those things, but those things that shake us at a core level. Someone here wrote that 90% of fans attending Kaep's games found his stance objectionable, they have that right, but I, a citizen who has worn the uniform and took lives in defense of this nation stand against that 90%. I do so, not because they don't have a right to voice their objections, but when they do they fail citizenship 101 when their objections forces an action that punishes those who speak out against injustice and human rights violations no matter the venue.

What injustice is he standing against?
What human rights violation is he defending?

Why do those who find his stance objectionable fail citizenship 101?

 

[Stymietee]

Colin Kaepernick following through on his donation pledge
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[Sharkinva]

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BUt... he protested our national anthem which at its core does celebrate the racist background of our country. And before some one shits a brick over this comment.... ask yourself, if the entire ORIGINAL national anthem was sung before every sporting event ... would the original version be OK??

 

[gkekoa]

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He made 19 million last season. This is nothing.

 

[gkekoa]

BUt... he protested our national anthem which at its core does celebrate the racist background of our country. And before some one shits a brick over this comment.... ask yourself, if the entire ORIGINAL national anthem was sung before every sporting event ... would the original version be OK??

Racist background?

How does it celebrate the racist background?

What is wrong with the entirety?

 

[Sharkinva]

Racist background?

How does it celebrate the racist background?

What is wrong with the entirety?

This line right here comes to mind.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,


Now I know you will spin this as well they weren't really talking about those slaves, and what they really meant was slaves taken during the war by the British and forced to fight. But that logic (and I use that term loosely) just doesnt hold up based on the state of the country at the time of its writing. this line directly refers to them killing hired mercenaries and hunting down and killing run away slaves that chose to fight for the British rather than be good little ******* and excepting their fate.

But I guess thats ok.

 

[reptec101]

Who cares what that particular line in the song actually represents. If it is in fact referencing slaves in this country, well that was the times we (they) lived in then. Is the writer a racist for writing that lyric? A very small percentage of whites in the country even had slaves. The perception by many is that every white household at that time had slaves to make life easier for them. Kaep should be celebrating how far this country has come since those times, and not spitting on the flag of this great nation that has given him a great life. He comes across as hypocritical. Had this type of protest been done in the sixies id be protesting right along with him if I had the mindset I have today. In other words.. if I being a white male grew up in the south in the 40's and 50's Id see nothing wrong with how blacks were treated because it was just the environment I lived in. Wouldn't make me a monster just a guy living the life I was in. To go back in time now and be placed in that environment id be appalled, as I am today on how others were treating other human beings back up too, and during those awful times.

Celebrate the country on how far we have come as two races living side by side since slavery days and those times of injustice. Not tear it down. We as a people have jumped miles towards equality since the 60's. Is this country perfect? Not at all, but love the country in which you live. Nobody wants to see a millionaire athlete cry about unfairness, or anything for that matter, bottom line.

 

[gkekoa]

This line right here comes to mind.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,


Now I know you will spin this as well they weren't really talking about those slaves, and what they really meant was slaves taken during the war by the British and forced to fight. But that logic (and I use that term loosely) just doesnt hold up based on the state of the country at the time of its writing. this line directly refers to them killing hired mercenaries and hunting down and killing run away slaves that chose to fight for the British rather than be good little ******* and excepting their fate.

But I guess thats ok.

The line holds up perfectly. Either use of the word slave would make them the enemy, whether we are talking seaman or black. Also, slavery wasn't outlawed in England until 1833.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think we need to get away from the politics .

 

[Ruzious]

Sorry. Had to work. Let me clarify some of my thoughts.

2- It is obvious I do not like CK. I don't mind a protest; however, this was the way wrong platform. He has a right to kneel, and his employer has a right to fire him. He is not brave for taking this stance. Brave would be giving up his money for his cause. He also needs to research his actual cause. CK was protesting the national anthem because he thought the 2nd stanza was racist because it mentioned slaves. It would not have taken much to learn the 2nd stanza was referring to the British taking American seamen and forcing them to work on British ships..."hireling and slave." Mercenaries and US seamen. If he had simply used his platform to discuss sentencing discrepencies, I would have had no problem. Because those are at least based in fact.

3- Yes, I understand blacks have been mistreated by the US government in the past. Yes, I understand there are scars from that. Yes, I understand there may be a few on here that are "a little longer in the tooth" and may have experienced some of these issues. That being said, there is not a single piece of legislation in America today that aims to hurt blacks...there are pieces of legislation that are written to directly help blacks, which is equally wrong. Equality under the law...we are not all equal. For those who are offended by a perception of being treated unequally, others are offended by being accused of treating people unequally. Why are you right, and we are wrong? Here is a novel idea...do your best in life and surround yourself with good people. Get married...stay married...raise your children...follow the law. This isn't a statement on blacks...that is a statement for all people because married couples have greater wealth and children raised in two parent families have greater success. All races have gone down in this aspect.

4- As for Tebow, I am not an apologist. Had I been Cleveland, I would have given Tebow a chance. I would also have given CK a chance, minus the kneeling thing. I have no idea why or how Tebow wins. I would have loved to see him go to Cleveland because if he can win there, wouldn't that have to be from God? Do I think he was a good QB? No. Do I think he was a winner? Yes, somehow. The Broncos were 1-4 with Orton, the same defense. The Broncos were 7-4 with Tebow. Why couldn't they win with Orton? The Jets were horrible when he was there and so were the Eagles. I would have given him a shot. Then again, I would have given Colt Brennan a shot here when Jason Campbell proved to be a failure.

Sorry. Had to work. Let me clarify some of my thoughts.

1- Kaepernick may be getting blackballed but we can't prove that, YET. This is how FA works and we don't know how much money he is asking for. Until last season, Kaepernick had gotten worse each season. He cannot throw the football accurately, and his legs are all he has. If Kaepernick does not have a job by the time FA ends, yes he is getting blackballed. Ray Rice did get blackballed.

2- It is obvious I do not like CK. I don't mind a protest; however, this was the way wrong platform. He has a right to kneel, and his employer has a right to fire him. He is not brave for taking this stance. Brave would be giving up his money for his cause. He also needs to research his actual cause. CK was protesting the national anthem because he thought the 2nd stanza was racist because it mentioned slaves. It would not have taken much to learn the 2nd stanza was referring to the British taking American seamen and forcing them to work on British ships..."hireling and slave." Mercenaries and US seamen. If he had simply used his platform to discuss sentencing discrepencies, I would have had no problem. Because those are at least based in fact.

3- Yes, I understand blacks have been mistreated by the US government in the past. Yes, I understand there are scars from that. Yes, I understand there may be a few on here that are "a little longer in the tooth" and may have experienced some of these issues. That being said, there is not a single piece of legislation in America today that aims to hurt blacks...there are pieces of legislation that are written to directly help blacks, which is equally wrong. Equality under the law...we are not all equal. For those who are offended by a perception of being treated unequally, others are offended by being accused of treating people unequally. Why are you right, and we are wrong? Here is a novel idea...do your best in life and surround yourself with good people. Get married...stay married...raise your children...follow the law. This isn't a statement on blacks...that is a statement for all people because married couples have greater wealth and children raised in two parent families have greater success. All races have gone down in this aspect.

4- As for Tebow, I am not an apologist. Had I been Cleveland, I would have given Tebow a chance. I would also have given CK a chance, minus the kneeling thing. I have no idea why or how Tebow wins. I would have loved to see him go to Cleveland because if he can win there, wouldn't that have to be from God? Do I think he was a good QB? No. Do I think he was a winner? Yes, somehow. The Broncos were 1-4 with Orton, the same defense. The Broncos were 7-4 with Tebow. Why couldn't they win with Orton? The Jets were horrible when he was there and so were the Eagles. I would have given him a shot. Then again, I would have given Colt Brennan a shot here when Jason Campbell proved to be a failure.

I don't even like the guy, but some of the things you say - and I probably shouldn't single you out since there's plenty in the media like you - are just stupid. And here's more on his charitable work: Kaepernick reveals 'Million Dollar Pledge' details

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't even like the guy, but some of the things you say - and I probably shouldn't single you out since there's plenty in the media like you - are just stupid. And here's more on his charitable work: Kaepernick reveals 'Million Dollar Pledge' details

I dont particularly like him as a player. But I respect his charity work, and I respect what he was actually trying to point out. I get that alot of people dont get (or refuse to accept) what he was trying to point out. I dont think he hates America. I do think he was trying to bring light to the fact that here we are in 2017, supposedly the greatest nation in the world, and yet we still have a large portion of the population that holds onto the ideals that this country lived by when the national anthem was originally written. Sure slavery is now illegal, but we do still have people that feel they are superior to other people based on nothing more than skin color. We do still have, and actively cultivate a culture in where if you fit into a particular racial or religious group, you are judged based on that instead of the merit of your individual character. American culture seems to always need a bad guy. At one point it was freed slaves and blacks in general, now its Muslims and latinos, although blacks will always hold a special place in the hearts of some as the lowest common denominator. And we do have and foster a mind set where people generally dont care what negative happens to another group when those actions simply cant happen to them because they are of the preferred ethnic group.

But yea, I get it when people say, well if he is so unhappy he should pay back all the money he made and carry his ass back to Africa. And lets say he did just that (despite the fact that he isnt from Africa), will that stop the next person of Latin heritage who was born here from being told, I cant wait til we deport you all? Reality is, if you are totally ok with something happening to some one based on Skin color, religious or sexual preference that could never happen to you.... you just might be a part of the problem.

~Disclaimer... the you in this post was not directed @Ruzious. It was a general you intended to make people think~

 

[gkekoa]

I don't even like the guy, but some of the things you say - and I probably shouldn't single you out since there's plenty in the media like you - are just stupid. And here's more on his charitable work: Kaepernick reveals 'Million Dollar Pledge' details

How is it stupid? If he gives a million but made 19 million, he still has 18 million. Sorry, I don't find that impressive. It is far more impressive to me seeing a person making 50k, giving 5k.

 

[Ruzious]

How is it stupid? If he gives a million but made 19 million, he still has 18 million. Sorry, I don't find that impressive. It is far more impressive to me seeing a person making 50k, giving 5k.

I think it's really stupid to make those kind of judgments about a professional athlete. I might care if we're talking about a presidential candidate... What percentage is ten bucks divided by 200,000,000?

 

[Sharkinva]

I think it's really stupid to make those kind of judgments about a professional athlete. I might care if we're talking about a presidential candidate... What percentage is ten bucks divided by 200,000,000?

Damn... and I made a conscious effort not to go there. Well played sir.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

How bout those Nationals!!!

 

[Stymietee]

What injustice is he standing against?
What human rights violation is he defending?

Why do those who find his stance objectionable fail citizenship 101?

He made 19 million last season. This is nothing.

Racist background?

How does it celebrate the racist background?

What is wrong with the entirety?

I hope that you are just playing instigator with these responses/questions......if your intent was anything close to using them to challenge already established facts, then you've failed. On the other hand you should take a lot more care in exposing your total lack of historical perspective on the subject. For the record, reading a book or other writings on a particular subject while informative, fails to give the reader proper perspective on that subject/event. His-story such as it is... is written from a privileged point of view.

 

[skinsdad62]

i really , really think we should move on from politics

 

[Stymietee]

I've tried to be informative when this subject comes up. Now I tire from baseless arguments. I'm hoping that this ends here however, if or when it comes up again, let us start with the understanding that Racism is a system and Prejudice is a choice. It would serve us all well in understanding the differences between the two.

 

[Stymietee]

i really , really think we should move on from politics

No problem, I've just posted my last piece on the subject!!

 

[gkekoa]

I think it's really stupid to make those kind of judgments about a professional athlete. I might care if we're talking about a presidential candidate... What percentage is ten bucks divided by 200,000,000?

You can think it is stupid, it doesn't make it so.

You think it matters for a presidential candidate...I think it matters for anybody standing on a huge platform for the world to see.