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Discussion in 'NBA Basketball Forum' started by SJ76, May 18, 2020.

  1. Wamu

    Wamu whats-a-matta-u?

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    Me too.
     
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  3. Mecca

    Mecca Mamba 4ever

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    They did offer him another contract, you are correct.

    It went the way of Ty Lue's offer from the Lakers.

    Phil Jackson rejected the Chicago Bulls’ contract offer and team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf is asking to meet privately with the coach who has led the team to five NBA championships in seven years.

    Jackson’s agent, Todd Musburger, said Tuesday the Bulls had made an “insulting” offer that did not reflect Jackson’s worth. No more negotiations were scheduled for this week.

    Newspaper reports have said Jackson is probably seeking between $4.3 million and $5.75 million next season

    Phil Jackson Rejects Bulls' Offer
     
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    Mecca Mamba 4ever

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    Yes.

    As a criticism.

    What Kawhi and George just tried to do is the difference between Chris Bosh and a amalgamation of Lou Will/Trezl away from trying to be a modern day Heatles.

    No.

    George + The Klaw don't equal Bron + Wade.

    But, Kawhi got praised for joining a historical bottom feeder, while demolishing a Thunder franchise, because he declined to pull a Durant and join the Lakers.

    * OKC amazingly came out on top *

    Yet, what he did is very much on par with what LeBron did when he went back to the Cavs.

    My point?

    Team hopping, trying to stack the deck aren't the scandal they used to be.

    It's starting to become commonplace. So, I personally don't hold that against Lebron, unless I need it as a coup de grace in the Jordan GOAT debate.
     
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  5. Mecca

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    Me too.

    Unless it's about my children....

    UCLA.....

    The Navy......

    Jordan....

    Insert any and every argument with @msgkings322 ...
     
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  6. trojanfan12

    trojanfan12 R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!

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    Yep, figured you meant the criticism, but just wanted to make sure.

    To be fair to Lebron/Wade, the Heat weren't the Clippers, but it's not like they'd won a lot of championships either.

    It's not like he went to the Kobe/Pau Lakers. lol

    And completely agree, can't really hold it against him...he was just the first to figure it out. But, fair or not, it gets held against him in the GOAT debate.
     
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  7. rsw626

    rsw626 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla

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    Yeah. If we slag him off then we have to slag Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq for moving to the Lakers, or Shaq to Miami, or Walton and Parrish for moving to Boston. Or Drexler going to Houston.
     
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  8. tlance

    tlance Kyrie Hater

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    I believe that if Reinsdorf had fired Krause he could have gotten everyone to come back for 1 more year.

    But that was the only way.
     
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    Before the season started -- Krause told Phil Jackson it was his last year, even if he went 82-0. Krause wanted Jackson gone after 1997 -- Of course, they won another title, so they brought him back on a 1 year deal. Jackson was more ready to move on than Jordan.

    Why do you think the players and coach always talked trash to Krause? He wanted to tear the team up multiple times, but they kept winning titles. And why after every game -- MJ was asked the same question? Is this his final year? It was in the writing -- everyone knew it was coming.

    The title of the documentary was literally the name Jackson gave the season before it started. Jackson knew it was his last year (or Last Dance), MJ knew it was his last year, Pippen knew he'd be leaving to get that contract he wanted the Bulls to give him a few years ago. The whole, we wanted to come back or everyone would have Signed a one year deal was never happening. As a fan, I WISH they would have. But outside of Jordan -- the rest of the players wanted to go make money on the open market.

    And the talk of Jordan not wanting to undertake a new challenge is foolish. He couldn't have went to another team. Chicago was paying Jordan what would be the equivalent to a team paying a player $130 million for one year today (He made almost 34 million in 1998 and the salary cap was 26.9 million).
     
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    Yeah -- that is definitely a possibility. Though I just don't see how they'd convince Pippen. Reinsdorf would have had to pay him $25 million or more to get him to even think about it.
     
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    True.

    But get rid of Krause and pay him MJ money and it could‘ve at least been a possibility.
     
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    Yeah. I don't know the financials for NBA teams in the 90's, but I don't know if that would have been a possibility. If they paid MJ and Pippen the same as Jordan's 1998 salary -- that'd be $68 million in just those two players and a salary cap of only $27 million.

    I think the Bulls may have lost money to try and field a team in 1999.
     
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    The guy who wrote the book, 'The Jordan Rules' said Jordan was blatantly lying when he mentioned wanting to come back for a chance for a 7th ring. The story is on CBS sports right now.
     
  14. trojanfan12

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    And that's where Reinsdorf deserves some blame.

    As the owner, he had the ability to put a stop to it at any point and he never did.

    It was actually him who prevented Pippen's contract from being re-negotiated. His philosophy was, once the contract is signed, I don't want to see you until it's up.
     
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    Actually, it was the opposite.
    The Heat quickly raised ticket prices, and/or yanked a bunch of inventory from normal sales avenues to sell through 3rd party sites as soon as they knew LeBron was coming.

    They knew if would have a direct impact on pricing out some people from being able to attend games.
    So, once this event was created, they basically went out of their way to make sure that group of people had first access to the tickets for that night.

    Season ticket holders were not given any preference.
    Sponsors and Premium seat holders were invited.

    I know it was Rileys idea. Whether the players objected or not, I'm not sure.

    As far as TV, of course, but it was just local. ESPN, etc got hold of it, and it blew up nationally.

    I viewed it for what it was. Heat fans were hyped up and the players were there to celebrate with them.
    I understood why 'outsiders' thought it was disrespectful etc, but whatever.
     
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    agree if you add under ideal circumstances.
     
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    Hard to know what to make of this as it doesn't say what Jackson was offered. Were they supposed to make their best offer first?

    I don't think it compares much to the Lue situation.

    To me, the idea Krause gets all the flak is all I didn't like. I mean, he built a 55 win team solely with guys he acquired. Phillip built the Knicks and MJ built the Bobcats/Hornets. Krause drafted Pippen, MJ drafted Adam Morrison. It's possible Krause knows more than both of them when it comes to building a team.
     
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  18. Wamu

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    Don't forget about KG & Ray Allen going to Boston.
     
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    They were both traded to Boston.

    Not the same.
     
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    Maybe it has happened but I don't think so........Wonder if there will ever be an elite player (if CBa stays the same or similar) to leave soon after a rookie deal. Cannot really go right after as he is an RFA. But he could sign a 1 year deal then be unrestricted. would probably have to be someone who had already earned a ton in endorsements.