Michigan bit with the Alabama and OSU career ending injury bug

[TrustMeIamRight]

trustmeimright really doesn't understand that there's a big difference between CFB & the NFL.

Actually I do. In the NFL, you are coaching against the best of the best, both on the field and on the sideline.

 

[Wamu]

Actually I do. In the NFL, you are coaching against the best of the best, both on the field and on the sideline.

This is college football though. Why can't you get that through your thick head?

 

[Across The Field]

If he had anything better to put out there. I have no doubt in my mind he would. There is a reason we had like 8 QB's last year. He brought in, anyone and everyone, as the roster was a disaster at the position.

But you had Rudock, who was "statistically the best QB in the B1G". That's not a disaster...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The pinnacle that Harbs ran from?

You can say he ran. You'd be wrong, but you can say that. When you go 49-22-1 in 4 years, with 3 NFC championship games (never done before by a coach in his 1st 3 years in the NFL) and a SB appearance. That isn't running from it.

Now Saban -- he ran for the hills. Once he realized the advantages he could exploit in the NCAA weren't there in the NFL -- he jumped ship.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

This is college football though. Why can't you get that through your thick head?

Which profession is tougher? NFL coach or NCAA coach?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

But you had Rudock, who was "statistically the best QB in the B1G". That's not a disaster...

Ruddock was unbelievable for us once he understood the system and what was expected from him. Fact is though -- he was a graduate transfer and only brought in because we had no one else who could be a legitimate starting QB on the roster.

 

[ellupo]

You can say he ran. You'd be wrong, but you can say that. When you go 49-22-1 in 4 years, with 3 NFC championship games (never done before by a coach in his 1st 3 years in the NFL) and a SB appearance. That isn't running from it.

Now Saban -- he ran for the hills. Once he realized the advantages he could exploit in the NCAA weren't there in the NFL -- he jumped ship.

To me it looked like his owners wanted him out, the players wanted him out and he use the "Its my dream job" to get out. Whats funny is he could have had his "dream job" after Stanford but I guess he didnt dream at that time.

 

[Across The Field]

Ruddock was unbelievable for us once he understood the system and what was expected from him. Fact is though -- he was a graduate transfer and only brought in because we had no one else who could be a legitimate starting QB on the roster.

I agree with your last part. However, it's still pretty sad that some of you guys think he was the best QB in the conference.

 

[ericd7633]

I don't understand why O'Korn is just a stop gap. He has put up some good numbers. When is Harbaugh going to wise up and run Morris over with his car already? They're still talking about him possibly starting.

He was pretty bad in his two years at Houston.

 

[Wamu]

Which profession is tougher? NFL coach or NCAA coach?

So because of what JH did in the NFL that automatically makes him a better college HC than Saban or Meyer? If that's what you think you really live in a fantasy world. Even you know his college coaching career simply doesn't match up w/ Saban or Meyer. That's why all you can do is bring up the NFL.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

But you had Rudock, who was "statistically the best QB in the B1G". That's not a disaster...

If you look at the progression of Ruddock from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. It was unreal. Through 8 games -- he was averaging about 180 yards passing and had 6 td's and 7 int's. The last 5 games, he averaged over 300 yards passing with 14 tds and only 2 int's.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He was pretty bad in his two years at Houston.

He was the AAC rookie of the year and was named to some freshman all-american teams after putting up 3100 yards with 30 tds and 10 int's.

The 2nd year, they traded coordinators and offensive philosophy and he struggled with it. They wanted a mobile QB and while O'Korn is athletic, he isn't a running QB.

That is why I have no idea what to expect from O'Korn. Were the numbers generated by the crazy system Houston ran or is he really skilled and just needs something to put him in the best spot to succeed.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So because of what JH did in the NFL that automatically makes him a better college HC than Saban or Meyer? If that's what you think you really live in a fantasy world. Even you know his college coaching career simply doesn't match up w/ Saban or Meyer. That's why all you can do is bring up the NFL.

Wamu -- How many years has Harbaugh coached at an established NCAA program? And before you mention Stanford -- they were one of the worst team in the ENTIRE NCAA the year before he took over.

 

[ellupo]

If you look at the progression of Ruddock from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. It was unreal. Through 8 games -- he was averaging about 180 yards passing and had 6 td's and 7 int's. The last 5 games, he averaged over 300 yards passing with 14 tds and only 2 int's.

JT improved dramatically towards the end of the 2014 season. Since JT improved more over the season that Ruddock did does that mean Meyer is a better QB coach than Harbs?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Across the Field -- I think the whole "Morris is fighting for a starting QB job" is nothing more than a smoke screen. I don't think there is a chance in hell Morris wins the job and if he does and plays great -- I would argue that Harbaugh sold his soul to the devil or something.

From watching Morris -- he looks terrible once you put an opposing defense out there. He didn't even light it up in HS. He was a t-shirt and shorts hero on the summer camp tour.

 

[ericd7633]

He was the AAC rookie of the year and was named to some freshman all-american teams after putting up 3100 yards with 30 tds and 10 int's.

The 2nd year, they traded coordinators and offensive philosophy and he struggled with it. They wanted a mobile QB and while O'Korn is athletic, he isn't a running QB.

That is why I have no idea what to expect from O'Korn. Were the numbers generated by the crazy system Houston ran or is he really skilled and just needs something to put him in the best spot to succeed.

He was bad both years.

2013 he was 99th in total QBR
2014 he was 129th in total QBR

Sorry that's awful.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

JT improved dramatically towards the end of the 2014 season. Since JT improved more over the season that Ruddock did does that mean Meyer is a better QB coach than Harbs?

Urban's offense made Tim Tebow look like the greatest QB in college history. This is why I said -- great college coach, but you don't have to worry about him making the jump to the NFL.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He was bad both years.

2013 he was 99th in total QBR
2014 he was 129th in total QBR

Sorry that's awful.

If he wants to throw for 3100 and 30 tds in the upcoming season. I will take it all day long.

 

[Across The Field]

If you look at the progression of Ruddock from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. It was unreal. Through 8 games -- he was averaging about 180 yards passing and had 6 td's and 7 int's. The last 5 games, he averaged over 300 yards passing with 14 tds and only 2 int's.

It's not unreal when you consider a huge chunk of those stats happened because of Rutgers and Indiana, two of the worst defenses in the conference. Mostly it was that shootout with Indiana that inflated his stats, though I'll say the Florida showing was impressive. He was average against Michigan State and Ohio State.

 

[ellupo]

Urban's offense made Tim Tebow look like the greatest QB in college history. This is why I said -- great college coach, but you don't have to worry about him making the jump to the NFL.

I guess the same could be said about Ruddock. It was the offense that made him look good.