Luka for AD

[shopson67]

If the Mavs thought Luka was going to leave?

Their window was this year and maybe next.

Perhaps they expanded their window by a year?

We will never know for sure.

All they've said publicly was "questionable conditioning and pending supermax extension". Are the new Mavericks owners that scared to offer a top 4 player and perennial MVP candidate a supermax?

Regardless of the reasoning, the Mavs could've gotten better value by shopping him. As a Laker fan, I applaud them for not doing so.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I am pretty sure Cuban would not have let the FO deal Luka....

He is now a minority owner, not a majority owner.

 

[tc1]

Irving can run their offense now that Luka is gone.....Luka was averaging 8apg. Irving's apg will go up drastically.....the pick and roll between Irving and AD? That will be sick.

Doncic has not played in a couple months, which you ought to know -- but clearly do not.

They have more size now and were 11th before the trade. They are even better now. And a lineup of Irving, Klay, PJ, AD and Gafford/Lively? That is a really good starting lineup.

They have the same size, since Kleber matches Davis ( though both are presently hurt ). Plus they lost Morris, not that he played much.

Davis and Gafford are both 6'10", which is not unusually tall by NBA standards. Irving is small, and Thompson is average sized. Washington is listed as a 6'7" PF/C, and 2% of his career minutes have been at the 3 spot. So I guess you think they'll run a 3 PF lineup with very little ballhandling and a 35 year-old shooting guard. That will be an interesting experiment in the modern NBA.

 

[tc1]

Nope.

Nobody considered Davis a cancer. Nobody.

The NBA did, which is precisely why they fined him $50k. Argue with the League, not me, if you want to defend Davis' reputation..

 

[tc1]

Even if it isn’t true.

I have written absolutely nothing that isn't true. I have written things that some people wish were not true, but that's a completely different issue.

 

[tc1]

...and both are in their 30s and cresting to that downward slide.

In the NBA, statistical peak is actually around 27 years old, on average. So far, Davis' best seasons were at 23 and 24 years old. His career high in blocks per game was at 21 (!!) and he hasn't come near that number in a decade.

With a few exceptions, like LeBron James, people tend to vastly overrate the value of old NBA players.

 

[tlance]

It's a bit more than that, as he essentially forced his way to the Lakers by holding that extension over other interested teams' heads. Cancer is too strong, but I'm sure Pels fans aren't fond of the opportunity he provided them.

Yes. He told people we wanted to play for the Lakers so nobody else wanted to pay what it would cost to get him and risk him walking away.

Melo, Dame and Kawhi Leonard all did similar things.

And while it surely limited what the Pelicans could get in trade, he was only being honest.

Imagine if a team like the Celtics paid top dollar and then he walked away?

Of course Pels fans didn’t like how he left.

Would it have been better if he didn’t say a word, played out his contract and then left on his own?

 

[tlance]

The NBA did, which is precisely why they fined him $50k. Argue with the League, not me, if you want to defend Davis' reputation..

Players get fined all the time.

Does not mean they are “cancers”

 

[DJ Fieri]

Doncic has not played in a couple months, which you ought to know -- but clearly do not.



They have the same size, since Kleber matches Davis ( though both are presently hurt ). Plus they lost Morris, not that he played much.

Davis and Gafford are both 6'10", which is not unusually tall by NBA standards. Irving is small, and Thompson is average sized. Washington is listed as a 6'7" PF/C, and 2% of his career minutes have been at the 3 spot. So I guess you think they'll run a 3 PF lineup with very little ballhandling and a 35 year-old shooting guard. That will be an interesting experiment in the modern NBA.

He was out with an injury, yes I know that.

Irving is 6-4. Thompson is 6-7 SG. PJ is 6-7. AD is 6-10 and Lively is 7-1, but you didn't mention him. And sure Gafford is 6-10 but they do now have more size since Luka is like 6-7..

The NBA has turned into position-less basketball but I guess you didn't know that? And I also guess you didn't know AD was 1 of the better passing big men in the League.

 

[tlance]

I have written absolutely nothing that isn't true. I have written things that some people wish were not true, but that's a completely different issue.

You have though.

Multiple things.

Called Davis a cancer and said Ingram is good enough to be a quality number 2 on a championship team.

You are exaggerating tremendously to make your points.

And it isn’t needed.

If you just stick to the facts there is enough quality in there to make your points without the major exaggerations.

 

[DJ Fieri]

In the NBA, statistical peak is actually around 27 years old, on average. So far, Davis' best seasons were at 23 and 24 years old. His career high in blocks per game was at 21 (!!) and he hasn't come near that number in a decade.

With a few exceptions, like LeBron James, people tend to vastly overrate the value of old NBA players.

AD has had 2 of his better seasons last season and this season.

25.7ppg, 12rpg, 3.4apg, 2.1bpg and 1.3spg while shooting 53% from the field. While being healthy for the most part the last 2 seasons.

 

[tc1]

Players get fined all the time.

Does not mean they are “cancers”

They do not get fined for making trade demands.

What do you propose caused New Orleans' collapse in Davis' final season? When they not only benched him for the final 14 games, but sent him away from the team?

If that's not a cancer, perhaps we are working with different definitions.

 

[tc1]

AD has had 2 of his better seasons last season and this season.

25.7ppg, 12rpg, 3.4apg, 2.1bpg and 1.3spg while shooting 53% from the field. While being healthy for the most part the last 2 seasons.

Which were inferior to the seasons that I previously mentioned, from much earlier in his career.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Which were inferior to the seasons that I previously mentioned, from much earlier in his career.

Okay, like posting great numbers on non-contenders matters. Numbers always drop when you go to being the #2 instead of the #1 option.

 

[raptorlife4]

Wiwowowow

 

[tlance]

They do not get fined for making trade demands.

What do you propose caused New Orleans' collapse in Davis' final season? When they not only benched him for the final 14 games, but sent him away from the team?

If that's not a cancer, perhaps we are working with different definitions.

Davis wanted to play out his contract until he was traded.

They benched him so he wouldn’t get hurt.

And they told him he could stay home because what it the point of him being there?

When a player’s time with the organization is over and the organization isn’t putting them on the court again, there isn’t any upside to sticking them in the locker room.

You are making conclusions that aren’t true.

Both parties were ready to move on and they did.

Again, you calling Davis a cancer is wrong.

This was nothing more than a difficult break up.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Davis wanted to play out his contract until he was traded.

They benched him so he wouldn’t get hurt.

And they told him he could stay home because what it the point of him being there?

When a player’s time with the organization is over and the organization isn’t putting them on the court again, there isn’t any upside to sticking them in the locker room.

You are making conclusions that aren’t true.

Both parties were ready to move on and they did.

Again, you calling Davis a cancer is wrong.

This was nothing more than a difficult break up.

He is making conclusions that aren't true because he is trolling....it's obvious at this point.

LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Now Jimmy Butler?

That's a cancerous player.

 

[tc1]

You have though.

Multiple things.

No, I have not.

Called Davis a cancer

New Orleans benched him and sent him away from the team during the final month of the season. That is a cancer. His nonsense that season contributed to the team winning 15 fewer games, despite a roster that should have been improving.

and said Ingram is good enough to be a quality number 2 on a championship team.

I said that he is good enough to be the second-best player on a championship team -- you are now adding words that I did not write.

And he demonstrably is exactly that, as we can see by looking at the second-best players on several recent championship teams, and others that I did not yet mention. Khris Middleton was the second-best player for the Bucks, and he is also not better than Ingram.

No Raptor except Leonard was better than Ingram is.

No Maverick except Nowitzki was better than Ingram is.

It is at-best very questionable that Irving was better in 2016 than Ingram is.

And on, and on, and on. You are just flat wrong on this point, and I will continue to illustrate if you force me to.

You are exaggerating tremendously to make your points.

And it isn’t needed.

If you just stick to the facts there is enough quality in there to make your points without the major exaggerations.

Again, no, I am not. And you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence to support your nonsense.

 

[tc1]

He is making conclusions that aren't true because he is trolling....it's obvious at this point.

And yet you are unable to refute anything I've written -- instead choosing to hide behind garbage comments like this.