Luka for AD

[DJ Fieri]

This demonstrates a nearly-complete unfamiliarity with NBA history.

The Lakers are "The Lakers", because they have drafted better than any team, in any sport, ever has, throughout their history. No team is even close. Especially when you remember that the Lakers play in the Finals a little bit less than every other season, historically, and very rarely even participate in the draft lottery.

It's been a little bit since I last counted them, but the Lakers have drafted around two dozen All-stars -- again, despite usually picking in the last few spots of each round. The list of high-quality non-All-Stars that the Lakers have drafted is absolutely ridiculous.

This fuels the Lakers' modus operandi, which is to stockpile assets by simply being better talent evaluators than anyone else, and when a star player becomes available, to leverage those assets and pounce -- and, when necessary, outbid any other interested parties ( as they did acquiring Davis, for whom they ridiculously overpaid ).

Quite unfortunately for the Lakers, Rob Pelinka is not actually very good at evaluating talent, at least with respect to players' ability to contribute to winning basketball games. This is why the Lakers, under Pelinka, have not matched their typical rate of 2.5 seasons between championships, and aren't likely to, until they send Pelinka back to the other side of the bargaining table, where he belongs.

They overpaid for AD? LOL.

 

[tc1]

Rob is cold blooded. I wonder if he knew he might be on the hot seat and was trying to save his job.

Not too sure about that first sentence. Were he, he'd tell James Senior, "No, we are not going to play your G-league son like this is summer camp, until and unless he resembles an NBA player."

On the second point, though, this probably secures his job for another 5 years. The franchise will sell acres of merchandise and remain extremely popular, and lucrative, even if they don't necessarily win. And Pelinka will more or less constantly be able to pitch a story about just trying to surround Doncic with the right minimum-wage veterans -- which will be about their only option, because they've traded damn near everything of value.

Personally, I don't hate Davis for Doncic -- mainly given their ages -- but being forced to throw-in arguably the most-valuable type of asset in the league ( a young, cost-controlled 3-and-D wing ) plus a first, while taking back negative assets, is typical Pelinka. How he fed his family with those negotiating skills remains an all-time mystery.

 

[tc1]

They overpaid for AD? LOL.

The paid more to rent one player for one season than anyone has ever paid, in any sport. It isn't even particularly close. Lonzo Ball's legs falling off is the only reason that it isn't among the worst trades in league history.

Had they used those assets more judiciously, they could have still won in 2020, without mortgaging a decade of assets, and then signed Davis as a free agent in the off-season, exactly like they later did. And they'd have a few rings in the James era, instead of just one.

 

[tlance]

I kind of get it but I loved AD on the Lakers.

He just had a 40 and 20 game recently and those players don't grow on trees.

Neither do players who regularly post 30 point triple doubles

 

[DJ Fieri]

Neither do players who regularly post 30 point triple doubles

Oh, I know....

Bron has to be dealt before Thur....no? Unless, he just decides to retire after the season.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The paid more to rent one player for one season than anyone has ever paid, in any sport. It isn't even particularly close. Lonzo Ball's legs falling off is the only reason that it isn't among the worst trades in league history.

Had they used those assets more judiciously, they could have still won in 2020, without mortgaging a decade of assets, and then signed Davis as a free agent in the off-season, exactly like they later did. And they'd have a few rings in the James era, instead of just one.

He helped them win a title.

LOL.

 

[tlance]

Oh, I know....

Bron has to be dealt before Thur....no? Unless, he just decides to retire after the season.

I don’t know.

Going to be very interesting to watch.

If Pelinka rests on this deal he should be fired immediately.

But Lakers have a lot of pieces that could be moved to make the roster fit better.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Not too sure about that first sentence. Were he, he'd tell James Senior, "No, we are not going to play your G-league son like this is summer camp, until and unless he resembles an NBA player."

On the second point, though, this probably secures his job for another 5 years. The franchise will sell acres of merchandise and remain extremely popular, and lucrative, even if they don't necessarily win. And Pelinka will more or less constantly be able to pitch a story about just trying to surround Doncic with the right minimum-wage veterans -- which will be about their only option, because they've traded damn near everything of value.

Personally, I don't hate Davis for Doncic -- mainly given their ages -- but being forced to throw-in arguably the most-valuable type of asset in the league ( a young, cost-controlled 3-and-D wing ) plus a first, while taking back negative assets, is typical Pelinka. How he fed his family with those negotiating skills remains an all-time mystery.

You're an idiot.

Luka is great for the Lakers future moving forward.

Short term before Thursday Rob has work to do and he still has tradeable assets to deal.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don’t know.

Going to be very interesting to watch.

If Pelinka rests on this deal he should be fired immediately.

But Lakers have a lot of pieces that could be moved to make the roster fit better.

He isn't going to rest on his laurels. I think he has some deals in the works and he prolly knows Bron may want a trade.....and I am sure he has ideas where Bron may want to go. And knows what he wants in return.

 

[tlance]

The paid more to rent one player for one season than anyone has ever paid, in any sport. It isn't even particularly close. Lonzo Ball's legs falling off is the only reason that it isn't among the worst trades in league history.

Had they used those assets more judiciously, they could have still won in 2020, without mortgaging a decade of assets, and then signed Davis as a free agent in the off-season, exactly like they later did. And they'd have a few rings in the James era, instead of just one.

No they couldn’t.

None of the players they gave up to acquire AD are good enough to be 2nd best on a title team.

Some decent players there, but Lakers weren’t winning a title with that group. Most are good stats bad team type guys.

 

[tc1]

He helped them win a title.

LOL.

Yes, he did. And he cost them a decade of assets, for that one season. A Laker decade is typically 2.5 rings. 2.5 > 1.

Please tell me that you are not sufficiently naive to parrot that ridiculous nonsense about one title meaning a team necessarily won every trade they executed that season. That's not even true for pedestrian teams, never mind the Lakers.

 

[DJ Fieri]

And if Bron stays....he has said he is okay with having the ball out of his hands.....Luka plays the PG and Bron off the ball....

People said Irving and Luka couldn't work.

 

[TheSnowdog]

The Lakers are "The Lakers", because they have drafted better than any team, in any sport, ever has, throughout their history. No team is even close.

With all due respect you are delusional if you think the Lakers are the best drafters of players in the history of all sports

I’m looking at their draft history and there are many clunkers in there

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[DJ Fieri]

No they couldn’t.

None of the players they gave up to acquire AD are good enough to be 2nd best on a title team.

Some decent players there, but Lakers weren’t winning a title with that group. Most are good stats bad team type guys.

Exactly.

Dude is a bad troll.

 

[tlance]

And if Bron stays....he has said he is okay with having the ball out of his hands.....Luka plays the PG and Bron off the ball....

People said Irving and Luka couldn't work.

People say a lot of dumb things.

Put 2 great players together and more often than not they figure out how to win games.

Is it the best pairing to get the most out of both guys?

I think clearly no.

But that doesn’t mean it can’t work.

 

[tc1]

With all due respect you are delusional if you think the Lakers are the best drafters of players in the history of all sports

I’m looking at their draft history and there are many clunkers in there

NBA Draft History - RealGM

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Now count the All-stars that the Lakers have drafted. It is somewhere around 25, last I counted. That's 1 every 3 seasons -- despite drafting almost exclusively at the end of each round.

Now find a team, in any sport, who drafts All-stars that frequently, even if they are routinely picking early. You will find exactly zero teams who can approach the Lakers' level of draft success.

I assure that I am not delusional, and I know exactly of what I speak, because I've done the research. You are welcome to repeat it, if you like.

 

[DJ Fieri]

On my 2nd mug of coffee....

Wife's grandkids will be here shortly and gonna process this all day long.

 

[tc1]

No they couldn’t.

None of the players they gave up to acquire AD are good enough to be 2nd best on a title team.

Brandon Ingram absolutely is.

But that's not the point, they surrendered a sufficient quantity of assets that they could've acquired several players sufficiently good to be the 2nd-best on a title team.

For just one example, they've could've acquired Jimmy Butler -- who was traded the very same day -- for almost nothing in comparison. The same Jimmy Butler who took his Miami team to the Finals, and gave the Lakers all they wanted just about by hisself.

 

[tc1]

Exactly.

Dude is a bad troll.

Before calling someone a troll, ensure that they don't have a much better grasp on the history on your favorite team than you do.

 

[TheSnowdog]

The Lakers still have tradeable pieces in Hachiumura, Reaves, Vincent, Vandy (the last 2 are smaller salaries and work for cap purposes), JHS (expiring contract) plus the '31 1st rounders.

He is going to Utah as part of this trade

“The Jazz will receive Jalen Hood-Schifino, the LA Clippers' 2025 second-round pick and the Mavs' 2025 second-round selection.”