Luka for AD

[tc1]

The Lakers are like an attractive young woman.

Good things just happen for them even if they don't try...

This demonstrates a nearly-complete unfamiliarity with NBA history.

The Lakers are "The Lakers", because they have drafted better than any team, in any sport, ever has, throughout their history. No team is even close. Especially when you remember that the Lakers play in the Finals a little bit less than every other season, historically, and very rarely even participate in the draft lottery.

It's been a little bit since I last counted them, but the Lakers have drafted around two dozen All-stars -- again, despite usually picking in the last few spots of each round. The list of high-quality non-All-Stars that the Lakers have drafted is absolutely ridiculous.

This fuels the Lakers' modus operandi, which is to stockpile assets by simply being better talent evaluators than anyone else, and when a star player becomes available, to leverage those assets and pounce -- and, when necessary, outbid any other interested parties ( as they did acquiring Davis, for whom they ridiculously overpaid ).

Quite unfortunately for the Lakers, Rob Pelinka is not actually very good at evaluating talent, at least with respect to players' ability to contribute to winning basketball games. This is why the Lakers, under Pelinka, have not matched their typical rate of 2.5 seasons between championships, and aren't likely to, until they send Pelinka back to the other side of the bargaining table, where he belongs.

 

[gohuskresurrected]

Yes. He is a point guard. Has always been a point guard.

Kyrie is a combo guard.

Do you watch basketball?

He's as much of a PG as Jokic is a PG. I honestly don't know wtf you're getting at right now. You got James who obviously dominates the shot clock to get his game going on offense. You now have Luka who does the same thing. James does it from up top while Luka does it in the high post. But the bottom line is that they both like the ball in their hands and need it to get their game going. They serve the same roll and it's pretty clear that this certainly doesn't make it better given they both don't play much d at this point and they traded away their one legit big to get Luka. There couldn't be a clearer message that the Lakers could send that the LeBron era is over.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Wrong.

LeBron gets unfairly criticized no matter what he does. And he signed up for it. It comes with the public life he chose and being the best.

He knows this and he embraces it.

Cry me a river. He brings the criticism and hate on himself. If he was truly the best, he wouldn't need a laundry list of excuses taller than Yao Ming and Shawn Bradley put together to make his case. The true GOATs just let their resume speak for itself instead of trying to artificially inflate their legacy.

 

[jontaejones]

This demonstrates a nearly-complete unfamiliarity with NBA history.

The Lakers are "The Lakers", because they have drafted better than any team, in any sport, ever has, throughout their history. No team is even close. Especially when you remember that the Lakers play in the Finals a little bit less than every other season, historically, and very rarely even participate in the draft lottery.

It's been a little bit since I last counted them, but the Lakers have drafted around two dozen All-stars -- again, despite usually picking in the last few spots of each round. The list of high-quality non-All-Stars that the Lakers have drafted is absolutely ridiculous.

This fuels the Lakers' modus operandi, which is to stockpile assets by simply being better talent evaluators than anyone else, and when a star player becomes available, to leverage those assets and pounce -- and, when necessary, outbid any other interested parties ( as they did acquiring Davis, for whom they ridiculously overpaid ).

Quite unfortunately for the Lakers, Rob Pelinka is not actually very good at evaluating talent, at least with respect to players' ability to contribute to winning basketball games. This is why the Lakers, under Pelinka, have not matched their typical rate of 2.5 seasons between championships, and aren't likely to, until they send Pelinka back to the other side of the bargaining table, where he belongs.

Surely you're joking...

Gasol.

Shaq.

LeBron.

Etc, etc...

That's within 60 seconds of reading your post.

 

[tc1]

AD is a fantastic talent...for maybe 3 more years.

Even that is probably generous. The list of oft-injured big men who remained beneficial players in their mid-thirties is incredibly short -- and it's an even bleaker prospect when you're paying them $60M a season.

 

[gohuskresurrected]

This demonstrates a nearly-complete unfamiliarity with NBA history.

The Lakers are "The Lakers", because they have drafted better than any team, in any sport, ever has, throughout their history. No team is even close. Especially when you remember that the Lakers play in the Finals a little bit less than every other season, historically, and very rarely even participate in the draft lottery.

It's been a little bit since I last counted them, but the Lakers have drafted around two dozen All-stars -- again, despite usually picking in the last few spots of each round. The list of high-quality non-All-Stars that the Lakers have drafted is absolutely ridiculous.

This fuels the Lakers' modus operandi, which is to stockpile assets by simply being better talent evaluators than anyone else, and when a star player becomes available, to leverage those assets and pounce -- and, when necessary, outbid any other interested parties ( as they did acquiring Davis, for whom they ridiculously overpaid ).

Quite unfortunately for the Lakers, Rob Pelinka is not actually very good at evaluating talent, at least with respect to players' ability to contribute to winning basketball games. This is why the Lakers, under Pelinka, have not matched their typical rate of 2.5 seasons between championships, and aren't likely to, until they send Pelinka back to the other side of the bargaining table, where he belongs.

'drafted'??? Who the fuck have the lakers drafted since Kobe????

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Wrong.

LeBron gets unfairly criticized no matter what he does. And he signed up for it. It comes with the public life he chose and being the best.

He knows this and he embraces it.

He's been inventing or exaggerating injuries for years at this point.

 

[tc1]

Surely you're joking...

I am not.

Gasol.

Shaq.

LeBron.

Etc, etc...

That's within 60 seconds of reading your post.

They traded for Gasol -- precisely via the MO that I just described.

The Lakers signed O'Neal and James as free agents, and they collectively represent only 4 of the Lakers' 17 titles. In other words, had they never signed those two, they'd still have more titles than almost anyone.

And, if you recall, when James signed, everyone believed that he was over the hill, and only moving to Los Angeles to further his movie career. No one knew that his tank remained quite far from empty.

Here's a quiz for you. Which free agent signing by the Lakers won the second-most titles in Purple and Gold?

 

[jontaejones]

I am not.



They traded for Gasol -- precisely via the MO that I just described.

The Lakers signed O'Neal and James as free agents, and they collectively represent only 4 of the Lakers' 17 titles. In other words, had they never signed those two, they'd still have more titles than almost anyone.

And, if you recall, when James signed, everyone believed that he was over the hill, and only moving to Los Angeles to further his movie career. No one knew that his tank remained quite far from empty.

Here's a quiz for you. Which free agent signing by the Lakers won the second-most titles in Purple and Gold?

Gasol was traded for peanuts.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

Save it, I'm not even going to read what you write to try and back your silly argument that the Lakers don't get players because they're the Lakers. I've been watching the NBA for 40 years.

It's like saying the Yankees have the titles they do because they've made smarter decisions than everybody else

 

[tc1]

'drafted'??? Who the fuck have the lakers drafted since Kobe????

Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Ivica Zubac, D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bynum. Among others.

And, kiddo, the Lakers didn't draft Bryant.

 

[tc1]

Gasol was traded for peanuts.

No, he was not. He was traded for his brother, two first round picks, a recently-drafted first round prospect, and two veterans.

I remember it like it was yesterday.

Quite obviously, you do not.

Save it, I'm not even going to read what you write

This likely explains why you've zero idea what you are talking about.

 

[jontaejones]

This likely explains why you've zero idea what you are talking about.

I guess not.

So there's no reason for us to converse over anything anymore.

 

[gohuskresurrected]

'kiddo'

Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Ivica Zubac, D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bynum. Among others.

And, kiddo, the Lakers didn't draft Bryant.

'kiddo'? No shit. It was a draft day move so same difference. And quite the roster you have there. Sounds like a team that could dominate the NBADL.

 

[jontaejones]

One silver lining for that the Mavs is they picked a good year to make the trade ... parity and the two top seeds are very vulnerable.

I wouldn't bet on Boston repeating.

They have a puncher's chance ... sort of...

 

[tlance]

Cry me a river. He brings the criticism and hate on himself. If he was truly the best, he wouldn't need a laundry list of excuses taller than Yao Ming and Shawn Bradley put together to make his case. The true GOATs just let their resume speak for itself instead of trying to artificially inflate their legacy.

Haters gonna hate

 

[tlance]

He's as much of a PG as Jokic is a PG. I honestly don't know wtf you're getting at right now. You got James who obviously dominates the shot clock to get his game going on offense. You now have Luka who does the same thing. James does it from up top while Luka does it in the high post. But the bottom line is that they both like the ball in their hands and need it to get their game going. They serve the same roll and it's pretty clear that this certainly doesn't make it better given they both don't play much d at this point and they traded away their one legit big to get Luka. There couldn't be a clearer message that the Lakers could send that the LeBron era is over.

Yes.

They both need the ball in their hands to do their best work. I have said as much a half dozen times already.

Luka Doncic is a point guard. He does not do most of his work from the high post. What are you talking about?

Go check his player page. Go look at where he is listed in all star voting and get back to me.

If you want to make the case they play the same position, the case you should be making is that LeBron plays like a scoring point guard also.

Not that Luka isn’t one.

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

Damn...this and the other Luka/AD trade threads are getting good and heating up nicely....lol
But my eyes are getting heavy and I really need some sleep.

Can't wait to peruse through them some more later this afternoon.

G'night.

 

[tc1]

I guess not.

So there's no reason for us to converse over anything anymore.

I'd be running for the hills if I were you, in this case, too. You almost couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Still not willing -- or able -- to answer that quiz question, with your alleged 40 years of viewership, huh?

 

[tc1]

'kiddo'? No shit. It was a draft day move so same difference.

No, it is not. More to the point, demonstrate at least a tiny bit of familiarity with the topic if you want people to believe that you know what you are talking about.

And quite the roster you have there. Sounds like a team that could dominate the NBADL.

That's two All-Star Centers, two All-Star forwards, and All-Star guard, plus a few other high-quality starters, and it's not an exhaustive list. I'll put that up against damn near any team's 15-year draft record. Not many NBA teams can beat that in their entire history.

 

[gohuskresurrected]

Yes.

They both need the ball in their hands to do their best work. I have said as much a half dozen times already.

Luka Doncic is a point guard. He does not do most of his work from the high post. What are you talking about?

Go check his player page. Go look at where he is listed in all star voting and get back to me.

If you want to make the case they play the same position, the case you should be making is that LeBron plays like a scoring point guard also.

Not that Luka isn’t one.

Have you watched him play? I mean have you watched anyone play???? I don't know how many times I've seen that guy get the ball at the FT line and then hit the cutter, or go ahead and fake the pass and hit the easy 10 footer with that 'thanks sucker' look on his face.