Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

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I think Mayfield is currently worth $9-12M for a full season.
If he doesn't play this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023.
If he plays like a $9-12M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023.
If he plays like a $18-25M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023 because i've seen Mayfield have good streaks in the past.
If he plays like a $6-9M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $6-9M for a full season in 2023 because it will look like a downward trend.
If he plays this season and suffers a significant injury I think Mayfield will be struggle for a contract in 2023. Maybe he'd be worth $6-9M for a full season, maybe not.
There's not a lot of upside for Mayfield in playing for the Browns in 2022. He might be forced into it, in which case he might show some bravado, but a bad back or a dodgy hamstring would be my advice. It's just business.

 

[dtgold88]

Darnold was traded before his 4th season. The Panthers acquired that 4th season at under $5M. They chose to pick up the 5th year at $18M+ making it a $23M over 2 seasons deal. Personally I had Darnold valued at about a 5th round pick for 1 year at under $5M. At $23M over 2 seasons I thought he had negative value. A team making a bad trade for Darnold doesn't create a trade value for Mayfield.

we are talking about a hypothetical situation where Baker also would have been dealt after his 2020 season (and have roughly the same contract as Darnold). I mean, if your opinion is he could not have brought back something close to what Darnold did or better you are entitled to that opinion....but it would likely be wrong.

 

[dtgold88]

Problem is it would be terrible for baker if he gets injured filling in for a team that doesn’t want him. Therefore he’ll never play for the browns again

Plenty of guys play out the final years of their contracts for teams who likely are not bringing them back...at least not on a deal they'd like.

In addition, in this hypothetical we are talking about Baker playing and playing well.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Except, Mayfield is better than Darnold.

Mayfield is a 16-18 starter in the League while Darnold is about to be a career backup after his deal expires in Carolina.

Mayfield is 16-18 starting for a team much much better then the Jets. Now imagine if the Jets were the team who drafted Mayfield. What would his record be then and would he be viewed as less good then he is with the Browns?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Mayfield is 16-18 starting for a team much much better then the Jets. Now imagine if the Jets were the team who drafted Mayfield. What would his record be then and would he be viewed as less good then he is with the Browns?

Pretty sure Darnold played for the Panthers last season.

Started out pretty well and then sucked ass.

 

[DJ Fieri]

What was the Browns record the year before Mayfield joined them?

LOL.

 

[Rowdy]

Plenty of guys play out the final years of their contracts for teams who likely are not bringing them back...at least not on a deal they'd like.

In addition, in this hypothetical we are talking about Baker playing and playing well.

Only if he thinks he’s no more than a backup can I see him playing for the browns

 

[dtgold88]

I think Mayfield is currently worth $9-12M for a full season.
If he doesn't play this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023.
If he plays like a $9-12M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023.
If he plays like a $18-25M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $9-12M for a full season in 2023 because i've seen Mayfield have good streaks in the past.
If he plays like a $6-9M player for 3-8 games this season I think Mayfield will be worth $6-9M for a full season in 2023 because it will look like a downward trend.
If he plays this season and suffers a significant injury I think Mayfield will be struggle for a contract in 2023. Maybe he'd be worth $6-9M for a full season, maybe not.
There's not a lot of upside for Mayfield in playing for the Browns in 2022. He might be forced into it, in which case he might show some bravado, but a bad back or a dodgy hamstring would be my advice. It's just business.

Knowing what we know about Baker he might want to show everyone (including those on the Browns) he can still play and ball out to earn a contract for 2023. again, in this hypothetical we were assuming he would play and play well. IF that happened I disagree with your opinion he'd only be worth $9-12 mil for 2023 as someone would offer him a lot more IMO. He's have then played 5 seasons. Of the 4 healthy seasons he would have played very well in 3 of them.

Want to say he wont play well in 2022? That's a different discussion.

 

[dtgold88]

Only if he thinks he’s no more than a backup can I see him playing for the browns

Or if he wants to be paid and have an accrued season?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

What was the Browns record the year before Mayfield joined them?

LOL.

Yea it's giving Baker zero credit for what the Browns became. Seems logical for a qb to get no credit.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Yea it's giving Baker zero credit for what the Browns became. Seems logical for a qb to get no credit.

Yeah.

And comparing Darnold to Mayfield is very weird also.

 

[dtgold88]

Mayfield is 16-18 starting for a team much much better then the Jets. Now imagine if the Jets were the team who drafted Mayfield. What would his record be then and would he be viewed as less good then he is with the Browns?

I can agree he'd likely have had less success if he were drafted by the Jets. To be fair, though, the guy joined a dysfunctional disaster coming off an 0-16 season. Hue jackson as the coach AND an OC trying to get Hue fired.....and the Browns were 7-8 when Baker played.

 

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Except, Mayfield is better than Darnold.

Mayfield is a 16-18 starter in the League while Darnold is about to be a career backup after his deal expires in Carolina.

Mayfield is, was, and will continue to be, better than Darnold. That isn't really saying anything.

You can continue to claim that Mayfield is a 16-18 starter but you've already named about 14 better QBs in an earlier post. That post excluded 2021 ProBowler Murray and 2 QBs that GMs have traded picks for this offseason who both have higher salaries than Mayfield. I think you also excluded Tannehill. That puts Mayfield at #19 at best. Clearly 2021 was a bad year for Mayfield, and he has previously shown the potential to be a top 12 QB, but so have other QBs. #18, #19, whatever. The point is that anyone without a top 12 QB is always going to be looking for a new top 12 QB, rather than a marginal upgrade to #18.

 

[dtgold88]

Yea it's giving Baker zero credit for what the Browns became. Seems logical for a qb to get no credit.

Baker critics are definitely an odd group. I get the QB often gets too much credit and too much blame, but to them he deserves all the blame for anything that went wrong but no credit when things went well.

 

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we are talking about a hypothetical situation where Baker also would have been dealt after his 2020 season (and have roughly the same contract as Darnold). I mean, if your opinion is he could not have brought back something close to what Darnold did or better you are entitled to that opinion....but it would likely be wrong.

I would have picked up Mayfield's 5th year option after his 3rd year. Mayfield at $5.1M in 2021 had considerable trade value, and the 5th year option would have been a small plus. A year later and it's a very different situation.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Mayfield is, was, and will continue to be, better than Darnold. That isn't really saying anything.

You can continue to claim that Mayfield is a 16-18 starter but you've already named about 14 better QBs in an earlier post. That post excluded 2021 ProBowler Murray and 2 QBs that GMs have traded picks for this offseason who both have higher salaries than Mayfield. I think you also excluded Tannehill. That puts Mayfield at #19 at best. Clearly 2021 was a bad year for Mayfield, and he has previously shown the potential to be a top 12 QB, but so have other QBs. #18, #19, whatever. The point is that anyone without a top 12 QB is always going to be looking for a new top 12 QB, rather than a marginal upgrade to #18.

My point all during this thread has been he is better than Lock and Smith and would give Seattle a chance to compete for a WC in the weaker NFC. Carroll isn't the kind of coach I envision tanking.

 

[Rowdy]

Baker critics are definitely an odd group. I get the QB often gets too much credit and too much blame, but to them he deserves all the blame for anything that went wrong but no credit when things went well.

Hell, the browns don’t even give him no credit obviously

 

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Knowing what we know about Baker he might want to show everyone (including those on the Browns) he can still play and ball out to earn a contract for 2023. again, in this hypothetical we were assuming he would play and play well. IF that happened I disagree with your opinion he'd only be worth $9-12 mil for 2023 as someone would offer him a lot more IMO. He's have then played 5 seasons. Of the 4 healthy seasons he would have played very well in 3 of them.

Want to say he wont play well in 2022? That's a different discussion.

I certainly wouldn't say he couldn't or wouldn't play well. He's a good player. Whether he'd be motivated to put everything on the line for a team where he clearly has no future, and without a contractual safety net, is another matter.

 

[Manster7588]

He just has to show up for the 18m. He can get out of playing.

If they put him into practice and or a game and he refuses they can fine him game checks.

It may even allow them to void his 5th year tender and release him without paying him a dime.

 

[Manster7588]

Except, Mayfield is better than Darnold.

Mayfield is a 16-18 starter in the League while Darnold is about to be a career backup after his deal expires in Carolina.

Different teams, who knows if Bakers 5th year option would be picked up if teams were switched.