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Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB


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Not even counting Hoop at June 1st. They will be around 36M under the cap with that. If they move full salary for Baker - 54M...even if they were to eat a portion of his salary we are talking $40M+. Picks do not matter...this is ALL money. If teams are debating on mid-round to late round picks the world is flat.

Basically teams are just trying to force their hand to cut him. And I doubt AB is going to make that mistake. Someone will lose a qb and it will be up to them to decide if winning is more important than a pick.
 

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The conversation just straight jumps the shark when we start comparing him to Brock Osweiler. I mean...lol. just absolutely fucking ridiculous
I would agree he is better then Osweiler by a good bit. Yet his situation is looking similar as no team has shown much interest in trading for him. Watson is the QB for the Browns going forward and 18 million for a third string clip board holder is not appealing. I say 3rd string because if Watson is not able to play then Brisset starts, that's the path the Browns are going down. Doubt they trust Mayfield and I doubt Mayfield would risk a injury by playing. Better for him to collect his checks and become a free agent next off season.
I can only speculate why Mayfield is still on the Browns and my guess is the Browns over played their hand at the beginning when they had conversations about Mayfield and so teams moved onto other options. So how do you move Mayfield now, when teams are no longer interested?
 

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Basically teams are just trying to force their hand to cut him. And I doubt AB is going to make that mistake. Someone will lose a qb and it will be up to them to decide if winning is more important than a pick.

"someone will lose a QB"

This caught my attention. And the first team I thought of was Washington. Sure they have a healthy Wentz right now. But that fella's gotta be some kinda accident waiting to happen.

You ever hear of a QB injuring both ankles at the same time? Wentz did that last season. Shortly after rememberthekoy said he hoped Mayfield torn his shoulder apart throwing the ball.
 

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The conversation just straight jumps the shark when we start comparing him to Brock Osweiler. I mean...lol. just absolutely fucking ridiculous
For the record. I didn't go down that road.


Also, at this point none of us know what will happen, and we all have our own ideas on what he's worth.
 

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The Browns are 27 mil UNDER the cap WITH Baker

Wtf are they giving up picks for to move his salary?
It's an example of debt management. Mayfield is going to cost the Browns $18.86M. He's worth at least $9M on the open market, and maybe $12M to someone. However he's probably only worth $5.5M to the Browns as they already have their alternative #1 and #2 QBs in place. A high 6th round pick is worth about $1M, maybe less. If they could offload Mayfield's contract in full and only give up a 6th round pick in return it would be a positive outcome over keeping him. How far under the cap they are wouldn't come into it. They could always put the cash resources saved into helping the team at another position. The Browns look like they'll have to eat $8-10M of Mayfield's salary at this point just for him to be worth a 6th round pick.

Then again this is the NFL and GMs have some valuations when it comes to QBs. Wentz isn't worth $28.29M this year and Darnold wasn't worth $23M+ over 2 years. However 2 GMs gave up significant picks to acquire those contracts. Those deals skew the market. I can see why the Browns and their fan base want compensation from anyone willing to acquire Mayfield, but eventually they'll run out of GMs with such high valuations.
 

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It's an example of debt management. Mayfield is going to cost the Browns $18.86M. He's worth at least $9M on the open market, and maybe $12M to someone. However he's probably only worth $5.5M to the Browns as they already have their alternative #1 and #2 QBs in place. A high 6th round pick is worth about $1M, maybe less. If they could offload Mayfield's contract in full and only give up a 6th round pick in return it would be a positive outcome over keeping him. How far under the cap they are wouldn't come into it. They could always put the cash resources saved into helping the team at another position. The Browns look like they'll have to eat $8-10M of Mayfield's salary at this point just for him to be worth a 6th round pick.

Then again this is the NFL and GMs have some valuations when it comes to QBs. Wentz isn't worth $28.29M this year and Darnold wasn't worth $23M+ over 2 years. However 2 GMs gave up significant picks to acquire those contracts. Those deals skew the market. I can see why the Browns and their fan base want compensation from anyone willing to acquire Mayfield, but eventually they'll run out of GMs with such high valuations.

We will see. Basically the Browns are in a spot where they are eating some of his deal regardless. No one has the space for him unless they trade a player of equal contract out for him.

I certainly understand the logic of saving money for future seasons but I tend to favor the Browns sitting and waiting on a team with an injury.
 

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We will see. Basically the Browns are in a spot where they are eating some of his deal regardless. No one has the space for him unless they trade a player of equal contract out for him.

I certainly understand the logic of saving money for future seasons but I tend to favor the Browns sitting and waiting on a team with an injury.
The cap space argument is a complete red herring. Mayfield could sign a new 5 year deal with him having a 2023 void if it got him out of Cleveland. Even if a new team took on the entire $18.86M contract it could reduce his 2022 cap hit to under $4.5M, and you've agreed that the Browns are eating part of that salary anyway.

There's no rush for the Browns to do anything in May, but without a potential trading team having a QB injury his value is going to drop even further.
 

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The cap space argument is a complete red herring. Mayfield could sign a new 5 year deal with him having a 2023 void if it got him out of Cleveland. Even if a new team took on the entire $18.86M contract it could reduce his 2022 cap hit to under $4.5M, and you've agreed that the Browns are eating part of that salary anyway.

There's no rush for the Browns to do anything in May, but without a potential trading team having a QB injury his value is going to drop even further.
Makes some sense. I could see a team negotiating with Baker on a 3 year deal splitting his 2022 into 2 season and adding a voidable 3rd year.
(Voidable by either party)

If he plays great, he voids it, if he sucks the team voids it.
 

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Makes some sense. I could see a team negotiating with Baker on a 3 year deal splitting his 2022 into 2 season and adding a voidable 3rd year.
(Voidable by either party)

If he plays great, he voids it, if he sucks the team voids it.
It's more a case of Mayfield's contract being altered to a 5 year deal that would automatically void after the Super Bowl in February 2023, rather than anything longer. That way it would still really be a 1 year $18.86M contract with the Browns eating whatever part they would have to eat in 2022. The new team would pay Mayfield the remainder of the $18.86M contract with Mayfield officially having a salary of $1.035M and the rest becoming be a signing bonus. Only 20% of the signing bonus would count against the cap in 2022 with the other 80% being accounted for in 2023, (after Mayfield becomes a FA). The Browns would probably want Mayfield's contract to be altered because he could otherwise generate a compensatory pick for the new team in 2024.
 

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It's more a case of Mayfield's contract being altered to a 5 year deal that would automatically void after the Super Bowl in February 2023, rather than anything longer. That way it would still really be a 1 year $18.86M contract with the Browns eating whatever part they would have to eat in 2022. The new team would pay Mayfield the remainder of the $18.86M contract with Mayfield officially having a salary of $1.035M and the rest becoming be a signing bonus. Only 20% of the signing bonus would count against the cap in 2022 with the other 80% being accounted for in 2023, (after Mayfield becomes a FA). The Browns would probably want Mayfield's contract to be altered because he could otherwise generate a compensatory pick for the new team in 2024.
I don't think the Browns want to eat money on a trade.
 

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I don't think the Browns want to eat money on a trade.

I think they would eat some and maybe up to half but they are probably also waiting on what the NFL decides here. 4 games makes Baker more disposable. 8 starts to get a little dicey rolling with Brissett for half a season.

But again I'm sure they're angling for a better pick in order to eat contract
 

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It's an example of debt management. Mayfield is going to cost the Browns $18.86M. He's worth at least $9M on the open market, and maybe $12M to someone. However he's probably only worth $5.5M to the Browns as they already have their alternative #1 and #2 QBs in place. A high 6th round pick is worth about $1M, maybe less. If they could offload Mayfield's contract in full and only give up a 6th round pick in return it would be a positive outcome over keeping him. How far under the cap they are wouldn't come into it. They could always put the cash resources saved into helping the team at another position. The Browns look like they'll have to eat $8-10M of Mayfield's salary at this point just for him to be worth a 6th round pick.

Then again this is the NFL and GMs have some valuations when it comes to QBs. Wentz isn't worth $28.29M this year and Darnold wasn't worth $23M+ over 2 years. However 2 GMs gave up significant picks to acquire those contracts. Those deals skew the market. I can see why the Browns and their fan base want compensation from anyone willing to acquire Mayfield, but eventually they'll run out of GMs with such high valuations.
Not when a player gets hurt in pre-season or early in the season.

They'll risk a 4th rounder to try and save their season if the Browns eat some of his contract.
 

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I think they would eat some and maybe up to half but they are probably also waiting on what the NFL decides here. 4 games makes Baker more disposable. 8 starts to get a little dicey rolling with Brissett for half a season.

But again I'm sure they're angling for a better pick in order to eat contract
Nah, Brissett could start, the first half of their schedule isn't that bad and he would be playing with more talent than he has ever had on offense.
 

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Nope. For the simple fact the Steelers would swoop in and sign him.

Yep

There is no reason to cut him. They'd have to pay him Regardless. If he refused to come to camp he can start losing money.

Browns cutting him would be absolutely insane for a myriad of reasons.
 

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Nah, Brissett could start, the first half of their schedule isn't that bad and he would be playing with more talent than he has ever had on offense.

We will see. It's certainly more likely Baker has played his last snap as a Brown than not.
 
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