Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[DJ Fieri]

Bridgewater and a 6th, for some reason I had the Jets getting a 6th, so my bad. In any case after Bridgewater bounced back his latest trade value was a 6th and only 3 million in salary for the Broncos.

Mayfield is younger and better than Bridgewater when he was dealt to Denver for just a 6th.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Say what you want about his skill set but Baker has been extremely durable. To the point of playing with what he had last year. Teddy has missed most of at least 3 seasons. Now some of that is just pure luck but Baker will play through some shit.

Yep.

Stupid comparison.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Say what you want about his skill set but Baker has been extremely durable. To the point of playing with what he had last year. Teddy has missed most of at least 3 seasons. Now some of that is just pure luck but Baker will play through some shit.

Bridgewater is a walking injury, injury prone and some bad luck. He isn't reliable. It's why he keeps getting tossed around.

 

[fastforward]

Tanking worked for the Browns...

C'mon man. How long did the Browns have to tank and how exactly has it worked? (Still zero divisional titles).

 

[Wamu]

C'mon man. How long did the Browns have to tank and how exactly has it worked? (Still zero divisional titles).

Zero divisional titles? That's not true. They won the division back in 1989. Oh you're talking about recently aren't you?

 

[dtgold88]

I only say that Lock sample size is to small, the changes of OC, the changes in offenses systems and lack of opportunity means there is still reason to believe he has some untapped potential to develop. This season the Seahawks have fortified the OL with bookend tackles, drafted one of the top RBs and already have a pair of really good WRs and will use a system that will play to Locks strengths. It could work out just fine.
Saying Baker was their QB if they couldn't fine anyone better is not saying Bakers is good or even OK, actually implies he's not good and what they gave up cements that idea.

again, the idea you are willing to make excuses like these for Lock but just assume Baker is a bust is comedy gold. Baker actually has had a good season (2 if you count rookie season).

FYI, you can use those same excuses for Baker that you used for Lock and it was even worse for Baker. Did Lock walk into a 1-31-1 situation with an awful HC AND an OC trying to sabotage the HC who were both fired in the middle of his rookie season? The next season Baker had to learn a new system with new HC and OC.....with no real camp or preseason games because of Covid. Guys missing games every week due to Covid. Still went 11-5 and won a playoff game.

 

[dtgold88]

At this point I would rather take my chances with Kaepernick. He's got something to prove and would give 110% every single game

So does Baker.....but Kaep is probably better than lock, too.

 

[dtgold88]

Mayfield is a bust and I don't care how loud Browns fans claim he isn't. I would rather see what Lock can do.

Right, because no excuses should be made for any of Baker's troubles (including a major injury) but thinks have been so tough on poor wittle dwew.

If I were tanking, though, I'd also prefer Lock.

 

[dtgold88]

Are you really willing to say Mayfield's as bad as these QB's that were truly busts for where they were drafted?


-Ryan Leaf (# 2) / 4-17 as a starter

-Akili Smith (# 3) / 3-14

-Jamarcus Russell (# 1) / 7-18

-Heath Shuler (# 4) / 8-14

-Rick Mirer (# 2) / 24-44

-Joey Harrington (# 3) / 26-50

-David Carr (# 1) / 23-56

-Jeff George (# 1) / 46-78

I could see thinking George was better. The rest? Ugh.

 

[dtgold88]

LOL @ you asking me to rank busts

LOL @ you making excuses for Drew Lock on why he's been terrible.

 

[dtgold88]

C'mon man. How long did the Browns have to tank and how exactly has it worked? (Still zero divisional titles).

Tanked as long as they said they would. 2016 and 2017 seasons. In 2018, had picks 1, 4, 33, 35, 65, another 2nd, $100 mil+ in cap space and no bad contracts.....unfortunately, those who got us those assets were not allowed to finish the job.

 

[dtgold88]

I don't care if he is slightly less a bust or more of a bust then those you listed, he's a bust. Instead of calling him a bust, lets go with how ducky described him.

Let's lump Baker into a historical tier. He currently is looking like a Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington tier of QB. Guys who when they are under their rookie deals you are OK with. But the moment they get past the rookie deals, they are going to struggle to find starting gigs and hold them simply because they arent good enough to be considered a top half QB and they arent young enough and there is enough tape on them to know they likely are never going to develop into that top half of the league QB.

Maybe Browns fans can accept the above better and maybe bust is to much of a hot button word for Browns fans to accept or concede.

Or maybe you are moving the goal posts as most Browns fans are happy we replaced Baker with a top tier QB.

But Lock's best season is no better than a middling Baker season. what you cannot accept is Lock is a pretty bad QB.

 

[dtgold88]

As far as what the Jets got for Darnold, all I can say it only takes one sucker and that trade didn't really work out well for the Panthers so don't see why any team would want to repeat that mistake. The Bridgewater deal is what I feel is fair market value for Mayfield. Guess in time we'll see how this works out.

we will see how it works out but "in time" we'll never know what we could have gotten for Baker with an $8 mil salary, 2 years left of control and healthy.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes he is, but I'm interested in making a list of QBs who I consider busts. Mayfield isn't starting NFL material and he's going to be a back up for the bulk of his career if he stays in the NFL.

if you added an IMO you might be right. But you seem to think what you say is fact. It's not.

 

[dtgold88]

Comedy gold...

Espcially, the Broncos didn't really develop Lock. He started 21 games and completes 59% of his passes.....and has 25 TD's to 20 INT's.....but Mayfield isn't better? LOL.

I can understand thinking Baker has underachieved, not liking him, is arrogant, etc. but ripping the guy, calling him a bust while making excuse after excuse for why Lock can be a solid NFL QB is kooky talk.

Hell, Lock could be, but from what we have seen so far there's no reason to think he'll be better than Baker.

 

[Manster7588]

You think that happens? As brash, arrogant and cocky as he is?

No chance. I will bet he won't ever suit up for them again.

I agree, and that might give the Browns an out.

If the Browns insist Mayfield shows up to preseason and he sits out, he's then in breach of contract, maybe allowing the Browns to cut him without paying him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I can understand thinking Baker has underachieved, not liking him, is arrogant, etc. but ripping the guy, calling him a bust while making excuse after excuse for why Lock can be a solid NFL QB is kooky talk.

Hell, Lock could be, but from what we have seen so far there's no reason to think he'll be better than Baker.

This thread is about Baker and you are deflecting by trying to make it about Lock.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I agree, and that might give the Browns an out.

If the Browns insist Mayfield shows up to preseason and he sits out, he's then in breach of contract, maybe allowing the Browns to cut him without paying him.

If they are smart, they'll do like some NBA teams do....tell him to stay home until they can find a trade for him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

C'mon man. How long did the Browns have to tank and how exactly has it worked? (Still zero divisional titles).

 

[Manster7588]

If they are smart, they'll do like some NBA teams do....tell him to stay home until they can find a trade for him.

I agree, unless they think he'll sit and they see a way out.