Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[Wamu]

LOL @ you asking me to rank busts

No I wasn't asking you to rank busts at all. You say BM's a total bust. My question is do you think he's as bad as the QB's I mentioned?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

No I wasn't asking you to rank busts at all. You say BM's a total bust. My question is do you think he's as bad as the QB's I mentioned?

That's asking me to rank Mayfield as a bust, quit wasting my time.

 

[Wamu]

That's asking me to rank Mayfield as a bust, quit wasting my time.

You called him a bust. Or is this not your comment?

-->Mayfield is a bust<-- and I don't care how loud Browns fans claim he isn't. I would rather see what Lock can do.

I listed some QB's that were busts for where they were drafted. You can't even answer if BM is as bad as those other QB's.

Hey good luck with Lock this season. Because your Seahawks will need it. He was given every opportunity to win the starting job in Denver and couldn't.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I listed some QB's that were busts for where they were drafted. You can't even answer if BM is as bad as those other QB's.

I don't care if he is slightly less a bust or more of a bust then those you listed, he's a bust. Instead of calling him a bust, lets go with how ducky described him.

Let's lump Baker into a historical tier. He currently is looking like a Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington tier of QB. Guys who when they are under their rookie deals you are OK with. But the moment they get past the rookie deals, they are going to struggle to find starting gigs and hold them simply because they arent good enough to be considered a top half QB and they arent young enough and there is enough tape on them to know they likely are never going to develop into that top half of the league QB.

Maybe Browns fans can accept the above better and maybe bust is to much of a hot button word for Browns fans to accept or concede.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You know what I think is comedy gold? Browns fans like you suggesting a 3rd and taking on Mayfield salary isn't asking to much, sightly better then the Brown fan that insisted a 2nd would be needed (and no mention of Browns helping with his salary).

Again. The track of what qbs on his tier are going for is pretty set. Considering Darnold went for a 2nd and two other picks. The difference is one year versus 2 and the situation the Browns find themselves in in terms of needing to find a partner.

You seem to be equating that to how the league views his skill set and not the situation.

I can guarantee coming off 2020 the Browns would've gotten much more than what Darnold went for.

And on a torn labrum the dude still had a better full season than your boy Lock has ever had.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Again. The track of what qbs on his tier are going for is pretty set. Considering Darnold went for a 2nd and two other picks. The difference is one year versus 2 and the situation the Browns find themselves in in terms of needing to find a partner.

You seem to be equating that to how the league views his skill set and not the situation.

I can guarantee coming off 2020 the Browns would've gotten much more than what Darnold went for.

And on a torn labrum the dude still had a better full season than your boy Lock has ever had.

As far as what the Jets got for Darnold, all I can say it only takes one sucker and that trade didn't really work out well for the Panthers so don't see why any team would want to repeat that mistake. The Bridgewater deal is what I feel is fair market value for Mayfield. Guess in time we'll see how this works out.

 

[Wamu]

I don't care if he is slightly less a bust or more of a bust then those you listed, he's a bust. Instead of calling him a bust, lets go with how ducky described him.

Let's lump Baker into a historical tier. He currently is looking like a Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington tier of QB. Guys who when they are under their rookie deals you are OK with. But the moment they get past the rookie deals, they are going to struggle to find starting gigs and hold them simply because they arent good enough to be considered a top half QB and they arent young enough and there is enough tape on them to know they likely are never going to develop into that top half of the league QB.

Maybe Browns fans can accept the above better and maybe bust is to much of a hot button word for Browns fans to accept or concede.

Who is ducky? If he's someone from this site I'll laugh.

And pretty sure I already said I've never been a Mayfield fan. Those QB's I mentioned were busts. I don't think BM's in that same category with those QB's. That's all I'm saying. But you're saying BM's as bad as all of them.

 

[Wamu]

As far as what the Jets got for Darnold, all I can say it only takes one sucker and that trade didn't really work out well for the Panthers so don't see why any team would want to repeat that mistake. The Bridgewater deal is what I feel is fair market value for Mayfield. Guess in time we'll see how this works out.

Is Darnold (17-32) a bust? Trying to figure out which QB's you think are busts and which ones aren't.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Who is ducky? If he's someone from this site I'll laugh.

2023 Free agency and trade thread

The QB ranking has nothing to do with his value lol His ranking has nothing to do with how much his trade value is? Seriously?

sportshoop.la

 

[DJ Fieri]

Lol come on. So Baker minus the contract isn't worth a 6 rounder?

Fucking Sam Darnold went for 3 picks and he's clearly worse than Baker.

You guys are just taking this shit to another level.

They really are....LOL.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Is Darnold (17-32) a bust? Trying to figure out which QB's you think are busts and which ones aren't.

Yes he is, but I'm interested in making a list of QBs who I consider busts. Mayfield isn't starting NFL material and he's going to be a back up for the bulk of his career if he stays in the NFL.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

As far as what the Jets got for Darnold, all I can say it only takes one sucker and that trade didn't really work out well for the Panthers so don't see why any team would want to repeat that mistake. The Bridgewater deal is what I feel is fair market value for Mayfield. Guess in time we'll see how this works out.

Bridgewater was in his 7th season and had multiple serious injuries. Yet still He was traded for a 3rd on a one year deal in 2018. That more directly relates to Baker and what he's produced...and even then Bridgewater had one good year where he wasn't injured.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Much of what you say is true....no need to trade for guys you don't think are franchise QBs. But it's funny what you say about the QBs on that list but think Lock has more potential than all of them and is not a bum?

Comedy gold...

Espcially, the Broncos didn't really develop Lock. He started 21 games and completes 59% of his passes.....and has 25 TD's to 20 INT's.....but Mayfield isn't better? LOL.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Bridgewater was in his 7th season and had multiple serious injuries. Yet still He was traded for a 3rd on a one year deal in 2018. That more directly relates to Baker and what he's produced...and even then Bridgewater had one good year where he wasn't injured.

I don't remember Bridgewater ever getting traded for a 3rd round pick. Got a link?

 

[Wamu]

Yes he is, but I'm interested in making a list of QBs who I consider busts. Mayfield isn't starting NFL material and he's going to be a back up for the bulk of his career if he stays in the NFL.

Mayfield isn't starting NFL material but Drew Lock is? Alrighty then. Nothing else needs to be said.

BM's better than Lock. Or do you disagree? I'm curious to see your response to this question.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't care if he is slightly less a bust or more of a bust then those you listed, he's a bust. Instead of calling him a bust, lets go with how ducky described him.

Let's lump Baker into a historical tier. He currently is looking like a Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington tier of QB. Guys who when they are under their rookie deals you are OK with. But the moment they get past the rookie deals, they are going to struggle to find starting gigs and hold them simply because they arent good enough to be considered a top half QB and they arent young enough and there is enough tape on them to know they likely are never going to develop into that top half of the league QB.

When did any of those QB's get their team to damn near a title game?

Never.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't remember Bridgewater ever getting traded for a 3rd round pick. Got a link?

Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to New Orleans Saints for third-rounder, what it means

The Jets have traded Teddy Bridgewater to the New Orleans Saints.

www.northjersey.com

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I don't remember Bridgewater ever getting traded for a 3rd round pick. Got a link?

Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to New Orleans Saints

Teddy Bridgewater is heading to New Orleans. The Saints are trading for the Jets quarterback, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per a source informed.

www.google.com

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to New Orleans Saints for third-rounder, what it means

The Jets have traded Teddy Bridgewater to the New Orleans Saints.

www.northjersey.com

Bridgewater and a 6th, for some reason I had the Jets getting a 6th, so my bad. In any case after Bridgewater bounced back his latest trade value was a 6th and only 3 million in salary for the Broncos.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Say what you want about his skill set but Baker has been extremely durable. To the point of playing with what he had last year. Teddy has missed most of at least 3 seasons. Now some of that is just pure luck but Baker will play through some shit.