Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[Wamu]

4 Browns fans, 3 people with bad mice?

Anyone that thinks Mayfield's a top 10 QB should stop watching the NFL.

 

[Shanemansj13]

4 Browns fans, 3 people with bad mice?

Now you have me interested.

One Seahawks fan
One Browns fan
One OU fan
One Saints fan
One Colts fan
One Pats fan
One Eagles fan

 

[Clayton]

Anyone that thinks Mayfield's a top 10 QB should stop watching the NFL.

I wouldn't be shocked if he still had a Matt Ryan-esque career complete with 1 year where he is a top 10 QB for sure.

 

[Clayton]

Now you have me interested.

One Seahawks fan
One Browns fan
One OU fan
One Saints fan
One Colts fan
One Pats fan
One Eagles fan

I forgot about the OU connection. I guess I should be in here talking about Drew Lock being a top 30 QB

 

[Wamu]

I wouldn't be shocked if he still had a Matt Ryan-esque career complete with 1 year where he is a top 10 QB for sure.

He can play and belongs in the league. But right now he's not a top 10 QB.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

For the purpose of the thread, though, it confirms where the NFL is right now with QB contracts.

Baker Mayfield is either in the Dak/Cousins tier or he is in the Teddy Bridgewater/Mariota tier. Either way, he isnt a top 10 QB and will have a hard time getting paid when the rookie QB contracts are so attractive.

He's 15ish much like I've maintained. He has a ceiling of like 10 but he can also be bad as we've seen.

But it wouldn't floor me or anything if he became better than a Kirk Cousins type.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Now you have me interested.

One Seahawks fan
One Browns fan
One OU fan
One Saints fan
One Colts fan
One Pats fan
One Eagles fan

 

[dtgold88]

It's great to be judge...seems to be your MO whenever an opinion differs from yours.

yeah, that comment makes little sense here as the comedy gold was his opinion differed from....his opinion.

 

[fastforward]

Right now the Seahawks are in QB purgatory.
Garoppolo would be an upgrade.
Goff would be an upgrade.
Mayfield would be an upgrade.
Tagovailoa would be an upgrade.
Bridgewater would be an upgrade.
Trubisky would be an upgrade.
Dan Jones would be an upgrade.
Darnold would be an upgrade.
Mariota would be an upgrade.
I believe Carroll thinks he can win with Lock or Smith if he gets other positions right on the team, but I also believe Carroll is delusional...that or his back-up plan is to claim the team was tanking after the fact and after the team had spent FA money on RB, TE, and C. I feel sorry for Seahawks fans because they shouldn't have to be contemplating a Lock vs Smith battle for the #1 QB spot.

 

[megalodon30]

If he's released you think, what, no one signs him?

I’m 100% certain at least 2 USFL teams and 1 XFL team will show some interest.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Right now the Seahawks are in QB purgatory.
Garoppolo would be an upgrade.
Goff would be an upgrade.
Mayfield would be an upgrade.
Tagovailoa would be an upgrade.
Bridgewater would be an upgrade.
Trubisky would be an upgrade.
Dan Jones would be an upgrade.
Darnold would be an upgrade.
Mariota would be an upgrade.
I believe Carroll thinks he can win with Lock or Smith if he gets other positions right on the team, but I also believe Carroll is delusional...that or his back-up plan is to claim the team was tanking after the fact and after the team had spent FA money on RB, TE, and C. I feel sorry for Seahawks fans because they shouldn't have to be contemplating a Lock vs Smith battle for the #1 QB spot.

All those QBs stink so why bother? Next season Seahawks will be drafting their QB of future and none of the QBs you listed would change that. The plan is to build a foundation first then get your franchise QB. Seems to be going smoothly because the draft has laid the foundation down (on paper at least) and 2 firsts and 2 seconds next season along with all the other picks in each round. Also 82 million in cap space. No need to feel sorry for us because we like how it's going.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

This didn’t age well

 

[Shanemansj13]

All those QBs stink so why bother?

That’s exactly why some of said they are tanking and that seems to be your mindset. All of those are upgrades for one year, they will likely draft a QB next season but it’s pretty simple. If you dont look to upgrade, that is called tanking whether you believe it or not. You go for an upgrade and that still doesn’t suggest you won’t be in a future rebuild but it still gives you a greater chance for that year. If Pete trades for JimmyG or Baker he might actually think that could be a QB for 2-3 years though. There is a difference between mid tier starting QB and a benchwarmer. Geno and Lock are bench warmers. Half of those guys listed are starting QB’s

 

[HaroldSeattle]

That’s exactly why some of said they are tanking and that seems to be your mindset. All of those are upgrades for one year, they will likely draft a QB next season but it’s pretty simple. If you dont look to upgrade, that is called tanking whether you believe it or not. You go for an upgrade and that still doesn’t suggest you won’t be in a future rebuild but it still gives you a greater chance for that year. If Pete trades for JimmyG or Baker he might actually think that could be a QB for 2-3 years though. There is a difference between mid tier starting QB and a benchwarmer. Geno and Lock are bench warmers. Half of those guys listed are starting QB’s

You know who trades for crap QBs like those? Teams that have a history of losing and losing. It's not smart to waste assets on QB like those, especial as teams seems to want to turn their shit QB into gold via a trade. Spend your assets on good players that can help you win games now and in the future, don't throw away money and draft capitol on shitty players just so it "looks" like your doing something. Lock hasn't played much, 5 games as a rookie, 13 games next year, then 6 the following and I'm not sure he started all those games, but he played in them at least a down. New OC every year. I'd say his potential and limits are not known yet. He wasn't really developed by the Broncos.
So as far as I'm concerned he has more potential then any of those QBs listed who are proven and verified bums. So get the fuck out of here with that tanking talk, you don't know what your talking about.

 

[Battlelyon]

Teams will rather stick with questionable starters, take a chance on a qb from a bad qb draft class, than give up a late rounder for him. They certainly don't want to pay him 18+ million either.

 

[fastforward]

All those QBs stink so why bother? Next season Seahawks will be drafting their QB of future and none of the QBs you listed would change that. The plan is to build a foundation first then get your franchise QB. Seems to be going smoothly because the draft has laid the foundation down (on paper at least) and 2 firsts and 2 seconds next season along with all the other picks in each round. Also 82 million in cap space. No need to feel sorry for us because we like how it's going.

None of the QBs I listed are top 10 and only the top 3 of them have top 20 potential. If that's a definition of stink then they stink. Personally i'd rather have the #21 QB than the #31 QB, and i'd rather have the #31 QB than the #41 QB. I don't see re-signing an oft-injured RB at $5M or a back-up OL at $4M, both on 1 year deals as building foundations, nor is spending $17M on a #2 TE over 2 years. To me that's a waste of $26M if you're going to drift through the season without a top 32 QB.

$82M in cap space might sound nice but it's based on 21 of the current 90 man roster becoming UFAs in 2023. That includes Metcalf leaving as a FA next season. Retaining him is going to cost $18M+ and they may have to pay him more this season to get him to play a full 17 games. Poona Ford is going to cost money, and the Seahawks will have to re-sign or replace the RB and OL I mentioned earlier. A sizeable chunk of that cap space is going to be eaten up just to maintain the Seahawks current situation.

Sans the QB situation the Seahawks have an average or just below average roster. They wouldn't look like a Super Bowl contender even with a top 3 QB, but you never know if or when a decent team can gel and go on a winning streak. I doubt it would happen with Mayfield or Garoppolo but i'm pretty sure it won't happen with Lock or Smith. I guess my issue is I don't see the Seahawks trying to win it all and I don't see them rebuilding or tanking either. It just looks like they're adrift and I don't wish that on any fan base. I still hope they can add Garoppolo or Mayfield on significantly lower salaries without trade compensation before the preseason games start. At least try to win it all, even if it looks impossible.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Teams will rather stick with questionable starters, take a chance on a qb from a bad qb draft class, than give up a late rounder for him. They certainly don't want to pay him 18+ million either.

Lol come on. So Baker minus the contract isn't worth a 6 rounder?

Fucking Sam Darnold went for 3 picks and he's clearly worse than Baker.

You guys are just taking this shit to another level.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Lol come on. So Baker minus the contract isn't worth a 6 rounder?

Fucking Sam Darnold went for 3 picks and he's clearly worse than Baker.

You guys are just taking this shit to another level.

Yeah and the team likely doesn't have to take his full salary. I get most teams have QB's but there are still a handful that are simply being stubborn bc they can. I didn't expect this to be a quick process but teams are STILL holding out hope he is released and when he does they will be sticking their hand in the cookie jar quick. I hope the Browns cover half, teams should be jumping all over that. $9M? You got to be kidding me.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

None of the QBs I listed are top 10 and only the top 3 of them have top 20 potential. If that's a definition of stink then they stink. Personally i'd rather have the #21 QB than the #31 QB, and i'd rather have the #31 QB than the #41 QB. I don't see re-signing an oft-injured RB at $5M or a back-up OL at $4M, both on 1 year deals as building foundations, nor is spending $17M on a #2 TE over 2 years. To me that's a waste of $26M if you're going to drift through the season without a top 32 QB.

$82M in cap space might sound nice but it's based on 21 of the current 90 man roster becoming UFAs in 2023. That includes Metcalf leaving as a FA next season. Retaining him is going to cost $18M+ and they may have to pay him more this season to get him to play a full 17 games. Poona Ford is going to cost money, and the Seahawks will have to re-sign or replace the RB and OL I mentioned earlier. A sizeable chunk of that cap space is going to be eaten up just to maintain the Seahawks current situation.

Sans the QB situation the Seahawks have an average or just below average roster. They wouldn't look like a Super Bowl contender even with a top 3 QB, but you never know if or when a decent team can gel and go on a winning streak. I doubt it would happen with Mayfield or Garoppolo but i'm pretty sure it won't happen with Lock or Smith. I guess my issue is I don't see the Seahawks trying to win it all and I don't see them rebuilding or tanking either. It just looks like they're adrift and I don't wish that on any fan base. I still hope they can add Garoppolo or Mayfield on significantly lower salaries without trade compensation before the preseason games start. At least try to win it all, even if it looks impossible.

Well guess we just disagree on a lot of points. At least part of the reason Seahawks ended up trading RW is because the roster was depleted and there wasn't much of an alternative to restock other then trading RW. That trade gave them the capitol needed to restock the roster and it would be sheer stupidity to then turn around and waste that capitol on a proven bust of a QB instead of restocking with good players where they could find them.
With the benefit of hindsight we can now say that Colts trading for Wentz and the Panthers trading for Darnold turned out not to be of much help for those teams and the teams should be embarrassed for over paying and looking like suckers. Even when a team doesn't over pay , say like the Broncos trading for Bridgewater last off season did that actual do the Broncos any good? Would they have been worse off not making that trade? Doubtful IMO.
Fair market value for Mayfield is the Bridgewater to Bronco deal and even then it's not going to help either team much. It's better to focus on changes that will actual improve the roster and hope that leads to more wins. IMO the Browns aimed to high while putting Mayfield on the block so now teams have lost interest and made other moves instead. Now the Browns can keep Mayfield if they want or cut him, the rest of league has moved on.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Well guess we just disagree on a lot of points. At least part of the reason Seahawks ended up trading RW is because the roster was depleted and there wasn't much of an alternative to restock other then trading RW. That trade gave them the capitol needed to restock the roster and it would be sheer stupidity to then turn around and waste that capitol on a proven bust of a QB instead of restocking with good players where they could find them.
With the benefit of hindsight we can now say that Colts trading for Wentz and the Panthers trading for Darnold turned out not to be of much help for those teams and the teams should be embarrassed for over paying and looking like suckers. Even when a team doesn't over pay , say like the Broncos trading for Bridgewater last off season did that actual do the Broncos any good? Would they have been worse off not making that trade? Doubtful IMO.
Fair market value for Mayfield is the Bridgewater to Bronco deal and even then it's not going to help either team much. It's better to focus on changes that will actual improve the roster and hope that leads to more wins. IMO the Browns aimed to high while putting Mayfield on the block so now teams have lost interest and made other moves instead. Now the Browns can keep Mayfield if they want or cut him, the rest of league has moved on.

That's the thing if Pete Carroll disagrees and says he has a team to compete he will look for an upgrade. If he doesn't look for an upgrade he is simply saying we aren't good enough, lets just stick with our current bad QB situation and draft high to take a QB.

#tanking

I think I know. The Browns did it for years!