Is Baker Mayfield a Top 10 QB

[Shanemansj13]

Honestly, while I'm not a fan of Baker, the talking head narrative here is kinda cringe. If Baker was playing hurt last year and the Browns coaches kept putting him out there then that is the coaches fault.

If they do that to Watson, expect the same results

Kinda difficult when he is saying he wants to play and can play. At some point the player has to be smarter. He was always downplaying the injury but then after he made excuses. Gotta take responsibility for your actions at some point. Far from over even after the draft, it’s just how much of that salary do the Browns want to eat. I think the trade already happens with Carolina if they were willing to eat more of that contract

 

[Clayton]

Kinda difficult when he is saying he wants to play and can play. At some point the player has to be smarter. He was always downplaying the injury but then after he made excuses. Gotta take responsibility for your actions at some point. Far from over even after the draft, it’s just how much of that salary do the Browns want to eat. I think the trade already happens with Carolina if they were willing to eat more of that contract

That pendulum swings both ways. The QB is a leader of the team but the actual leader of the team is the head coach.

If the Browns were a .500 team with a backup, injured QB named Baker Mayfield then the expectation with an actual top 5 healthy QB next year should be 13+ wins. Or whatever equivalent based on how much he plays. Thats a larger swing than the Bucs going from Winston to Brady. If the Browns organization throws Baker under the bus then cool. But if the Browns aren't at least on the same level as the Bills have been the past few years then Baker isnt the only one who will get thrown under that bus.

 

[OUGuy1999]

Kinda difficult when he is saying he wants to play and can play. At some point the player has to be smarter. He was always downplaying the injury but then after he made excuses. Gotta take responsibility for your actions at some point. Far from over even after the draft, it’s just how much of that salary do the Browns want to eat. I think the trade already happens with Carolina if they were willing to eat more of that contract

Since 1999 (when the Browns came back to Cleveland) the Browns have had 4 seasons where they won 8 or more games for the year, 2002 (Couch), 2007 (Anderson), 2020 (Mayfield), and 2021 (Mayfield). They have also had 15 different QBs since that time and 12 Head Coaches. Every time Browns start to become a conversation as to why they cant get past the hump of suckage it always seems to be the QB that gets thrown under the bus, whether warranted (Manziel) or not. Watson going to the Browns is only creating a bunch of over hype due to Watson already having a name as being a great QB because he didn't start his career with the Browns. Mayfield may not be a top 10 QB, but we will never know with him being at the Browns. It's literally the place where coaches and QBs go to die in their career. If the Browns don't win a 10+ games this year then you will know it's not the QB as the reason why they can't be a good team, leadership starts at the top.

 

[Wamu]

Since 1999 (when the Browns came back to Cleveland) the Browns have had 4 seasons where they won 8 or more games for the year, 2002 (Couch), 2007 (Anderson), 2020 (Mayfield), and 2021 (Mayfield). They have also had 15 different QBs since that time and 12 Head Coaches. Every time Browns start to become a conversation as to why they cant get past the hump of suckage it always seems to be the QB that gets thrown under the bus, whether warranted (Manziel) or not. Watson going to the Browns is only creating a bunch of over hype due to Watson already having a name as being a great QB because he didn't start his career with the Browns. Mayfield may not be a top 10 QB, -->but we will never know with him being at the Browns.<-- It's literally the place where coaches and QBs go to die in their career. If the Browns don't win a 10+ games this year then you will know it's not the QB as the reason why they can't be a good team, leadership starts at the top.

Should he not be held accountable for going 6-10 with more int's (22) than TD's (21) in 2019?

He had a good rookie year.

A bad second year.

A good third year.

And a lousy fourth year.

Seems that his bad play is in no way his fault, it's all on the organization?

 

[OUGuy1999]

Should he not be held accountable for going 6-10 with more int's (22) than TD's (21) in 2019?

He had a good rookie year.

A bad second year.

A good third year.

And a lousy fourth year.

Seems that his bad play is in no way his fault, it's all on the organization?

Never said he shouldn't take some accountability for his own failures. He has his flaws. But lets not sit here and blame only the QBs for all the years that the Browns have sucked. If the Browns win a SB in the next year or two and Baker goes and starts for a decent team and doesn't look to progress then yes, you can put it all on Baker, until then you can't just throw your QB under the bus every year when the entire team has not produced anything in decades. Don't get your panties in a twist about what I am saying.

 

[dtgold88]

That pendulum swings both ways. The QB is a leader of the team but the actual leader of the team is the head coach.

If the Browns were a .500 team with a backup, injured QB named Baker Mayfield then the expectation with an actual top 5 healthy QB next year should be 13+ wins. Or whatever equivalent based on how much he plays. Thats a larger swing than the Bucs going from Winston to Brady. If the Browns organization throws Baker under the bus then cool. But if the Browns aren't at least on the same level as the Bills have been the past few years then Baker isnt the only one who will get thrown under that bus.

Not even sure how the Browns have thrown him under the bus. Told him he was the starter BUT will look into top tier QBs if available.

The "we need an adult at QB" comment? I find it hard to believe that was even about Baker coming from this FO. They are not the type who would rip a guy who was still on the team (who they might be looking to trade). Guessing someone asked if they'd consider a rookie as the starter and that was the reply...

....but that doesn't make for a great story.

 

[dtgold88]

Since 1999 (when the Browns came back to Cleveland) the Browns have had 4 seasons where they won 8 or more games for the year, 2002 (Couch), 2007 (Anderson), 2020 (Mayfield), and 2021 (Mayfield). They have also had 15 different QBs since that time and 12 Head Coaches. Every time Browns start to become a conversation as to why they cant get past the hump of suckage it always seems to be the QB that gets thrown under the bus, whether warranted (Manziel) or not. Watson going to the Browns is only creating a bunch of over hype due to Watson already having a name as being a great QB because he didn't start his career with the Browns. Mayfield may not be a top 10 QB, but we will never know with him being at the Browns. It's literally the place where coaches and QBs go to die in their career. If the Browns don't win a 10+ games this year then you will know it's not the QB as the reason why they can't be a good team, leadership starts at the top.

I mean, it's also very likely the QBs they picked just were not very good. Only one who was truly ruined by the Browns might have been Couch.

FYI, browns won 11 in 2020.

 

[dtgold88]

Should he not be held accountable for going 6-10 with more int's (22) than TD's (21) in 2019?

He had a good rookie year.

A bad second year.

A good third year.

And a lousy fourth year.

Seems that his bad play is in no way his fault, it's all on the organization?

Kind of agree....but I'd say hring Freddie as coach in 2019 did him no favors.

 

[dtgold88]

Never said he shouldn't take some accountability for his own failures. He has his flaws. But lets not sit here and blame only the QBs for all the years that the Browns have sucked. If the Browns win a SB in the next year or two and Baker goes and starts for a decent team and doesn't look to progress then yes, you can put it all on Baker, until then you can't just throw your QB under the bus every year when the entire team has not produced anything in decades. Don't get your panties in a twist about what I am saying.

who is blaming "only the QBs?" Just seems like you don't want to hold any of them accountable for maybe just not being very good.

 

[Wamu]

Never said he shouldn't take some accountability for his own failures. He has his flaws. But lets not sit here and blame only the QBs for all the years that the Browns have sucked. If the Browns win a SB in the next year or two and Baker goes and starts for a decent team and doesn't look to progress then yes, you can put it all on Baker, (1)until then you can't just throw your QB under the bus every year when the entire team has not produced anything in decades.(2) Don't get your panties in a twist about what I am saying.

My team has been the definition of dysfunction since their return in '99. I would never deny that. But in post # 423 you pretty much put all the blame on the organization and gave Mayfield a pass on his bad play.

1. Yep holding Mayfield accountable for his own play is throwing him under the bus. Leave to a Sooners fan to say something like that

2. grow up (questioning why you put all the blame on the organization and none on a former Sooner isn't getting "panties in a twist")

Homer on man.

The team is responsible for bad seasons. But so is your former Oklahoma QB.

 

[Wamu]

who is blaming "only the QBs?" Just seems like you don't want to hold any of them accountable for maybe just not being very good.

Exactly.

 

[OUGuy1999]

I mean, it's also very likely the QBs they picked just were not very good. Only one who was truly ruined by the Browns might have been Couch.

True, but then you need to look at who is making those picks for the QB and wonder why in 20 years they couldn't find a single one that was good

FYI, browns won 11 in 2020.

It's in there bud, I said 8+ wins, that would also include 11 wins

who is blaming "only the QBs?" Just seems like you don't want to hold any of them accountable for maybe just not being very good.

Seems like you don't want to look at anything other than the QB. Pretty hard to take a college QB and develop them into a proper Pro QB when you're constantly firing coaches. The turnover rate for QBs and Coaches at the Browns is one of the worst in the NFL. So maybe start looking at the top first and work your way down.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Since 1999 (when the Browns came back to Cleveland) the Browns have had 4 seasons where they won 8 or more games for the year, 2002 (Couch), 2007 (Anderson), 2020 (Mayfield), and 2021 (Mayfield). They have also had 15 different QBs since that time and 12 Head Coaches. Every time Browns start to become a conversation as to why they cant get past the hump of suckage it always seems to be the QB that gets thrown under the bus, whether warranted (Manziel) or not. Watson going to the Browns is only creating a bunch of over hype due to Watson already having a name as being a great QB because he didn't start his career with the Browns. Mayfield may not be a top 10 QB, but we will never know with him being at the Browns. It's literally the place where coaches and QBs go to die in their career. If the Browns don't win a 10+ games this year then you will know it's not the QB as the reason why they can't be a good team, leadership starts at the top.

I never said anything about Baker not being a good QB and I am greatful for what he has done for this franchise but if you put faith in your QB right? If he wants to play and medically he checks, you want to sit him. It probably looks worse if you sit him then he is complaining on the bench saying he wants to go in.

I have rooted for Baker his entire career but this one has to be halfway on him. Dont make excuses after for making your business decision

 

[Shanemansj13]

That pendulum swings both ways. The QB is a leader of the team but the actual leader of the team is the head coach.

If the Browns were a .500 team with a backup, injured QB named Baker Mayfield then the expectation with an actual top 5 healthy QB next year should be 13+ wins. Or whatever equivalent based on how much he plays. Thats a larger swing than the Bucs going from Winston to Brady. If the Browns organization throws Baker under the bus then cool. But if the Browns aren't at least on the same level as the Bills have been the past few years then Baker isnt the only one who will get thrown under that bus.

It is definitely both sides but like I said earlier. You put trust in your QB and he was pretty adamant he would play and no surgery during the season, a lot of players do this then have surgery after the season. So therefore if they came to that conclusion Baker can’t make excuses. It just sounds bad. Just move on.

They should be a top team in the AFC for sure but the AFC just got a hell of a lot deeper. I expect 12-5 or around there but we will see

 

[OUGuy1999]

My team has been the definition of dysfunction since their return in '99. I would never deny that. But in post # 423 you pretty much put all the blame on the organization and gave Mayfield a pass on his bad play.

1. Yep holding Mayfield accountable for his own play is throwing him under the bus. Leave to a Sooners fan to say something like that

2. grow up (questioning why you put all the blame on the organization and none on a former Sooner isn't getting "panties in a twist")

Homer on man.

The team is responsible for bad seasons. But so is your former Oklahoma QB.

You completely missed the point of what I said, you seem to not know how to read well. I literally stated he should be held accountable for his failures. But it's absolutely fucking funny how the Browns are throwing him under the bus he gave them 1 of their best seasons in a decade+ and then playing hurt the next year and not doing as well. You call me a homer but no where in what I have stated so far did I say that Baker was the greatest QB or even a top 10 QB. I'm just calling you guys out for your failures to look anywhere but at the QBs they have had over the many years and still failed to get anywhere in the league. So grow up yourself and learn to look at the organization from the top down and stop throwing your players under the bus when your leadership at the top cant find the best coaches and players to turn the team around from the dumpster fire it has been.

 

[OUGuy1999]

but this one has to be halfway on him. Dont make excuses after for making your business decision

This is a very true statement, he should have not played after injury and just did what he needed to do to get healthy. Yes this past year was mostly on him, but people seem to forget how well he did the 2 season prior and looking for that new shiny QB who already has a name. Who knows, maybe the Browns will be better with Watson and maybe Baker has ruined his career by playing last year with an injury, its hard to say. But until next season its purely speculation at this point.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

You completely missed the point of what I said, you seem to not know how to read well. I literally stated he should be held accountable for his failures. But it's absolutely fucking funny how the Browns are throwing him under the bus he gave them 1 of their best seasons in a decade+ and then playing hurt the next year and not doing as well. You call me a homer but no where in what I have stated so far did I say that Baker was the greatest QB or even a top 10 QB. I'm just calling you guys out for your failures to look anywhere but at the QBs they have had over the many years and still failed to get anywhere in the league. So grow up yourself and learn to look at the organization from the top down and stop throwing your players under the bus when your leadership at the top cant find the best coaches and players to turn the team around from the dumpster fire it has been.

We were all extremely critical of the front office and coaching prior to AB and Stefanski. In fact most of us lobbied for Baker on here in the face of the majority of the board being way down on him.

I hope he lands somewhere where he can be successful. I'd have preferred to run it back with him but Watson is Def an upgrade.

 

[Wamu]

We were all extremely critical of the front office and coaching prior to AB and Stefanski. In fact most of us lobbied for Baker on here in the face of the majority of the board being way down on him.

I hope he lands somewhere where he can be successful. I'd have preferred to run it back with him but Watson is Def an upgrade.

Very well put. He doesn't understand that most of us Browns fans have in fact been very critical of the FO for years. Even before Norman, OK's favorite son BM was drafted.

As far as him landing somewhere and being successful though. Sure why not? He's not the Browns problem anymore. But I'd prefer he ends up with a team in the NFC.

 

[dtgold88]

True, but then you need to look at who is making those picks for the QB and wonder why in 20 years they couldn't find a single one that was good

It's in there bud, I said 8+ wins, that would also include 11 wins

Seems like you don't want to look at anything other than the QB. Pretty hard to take a college QB and develop them into a proper Pro QB when you're constantly firing coaches. The turnover rate for QBs and Coaches at the Browns is one of the worst in the NFL. So maybe start looking at the top first and work your way down.

No disagreement with that first comment. Luckily, the guys who botched previous QB choices are no longer around.

as for your last comment, again, no disagreement previous FOs and coaches have botched QB choices and overall have been bad at their jobs. THIS regime has not to this point. Are we really going to blame them for the mistakes of others?

 

[Wamu]

No disagreement with that first comment. Luckily, the guys who botched previous QB choices are no longer around.

as for your last comment, again, no disagreement previous FOs and coaches have botched QB choices and overall have been bad at their jobs. THIS regime has not to this point. -->Are we really going to blame them for the mistakes of others?<--