FA's or trades the Los Angeles Lakers should pursue in the offseason

[dtgold88]

Kyrie deal made sense for sure. Some deals just don’t work out in the long term.

And sometimes air is better than a group of mediocre players that win too much to keep you out of the top pick range.

That said, yeah, totally get why Cleveland made the move to sign Love. But it has had a very predictably bad outcome, and IMO the decision was an emotional one, not a practical one.

air would be better than Sexton, SGA, Porter or Bridges?

Now sure how it was predictably bad without seeing the future. still young and had come off 3 solid seasons. also not like they were bringing in another FA had they saved the sap room.

 

[tlance]

air would be better than Sexton, SGA, Porter or Bridges?

Now sure how it was predictably bad without seeing the future. still young and had come off 3 solid seasons. also not like they were bringing in another FA had they saved the sap room.

Depends on your roster.

If you have some quality talent already there, then you obviously take the good young player.

If your team sucks though?

None of those guys are going to be top dogs in a good team, so in a Cleveland like situation, having a player like Sexton is pretty irrelevant Unless you trade him for future assets later down the road or get really lucky in the lottery and are able to draft that superstar.

And it won’t be long before Cleveland has to pay Sexton, Garland, etc. AT some point, you are likely going to end up with air anyway, and Sexton doesn’t look likely to ever lead the Cavs anywhere.

 

[dtgold88]

Depends on your roster.

If you have some quality talent already there, then you obviously take the good young player.

If your team sucks though?

None of those guys are going to be top dogs in a good team, so in a Cleveland like situation, having a player like Sexton is pretty irrelevant Unless you trade him for future assets later down the road or get really lucky in the lottery and are able to draft that superstar.

And it won’t be long before Cleveland has to pay Sexton, Garland, etc. AT some point, you are likely going to end up with air anyway, and Sexton doesn’t look likely to ever lead the Cavs anywhere.

cool, but we are talking about the Cs and you saying they won the deal. They were not a bottom feeder and would have been much better off keeping that pick than making the deal if we are using hindsight.

FYI, the Cavs were able to draft Sexton and still get other high picks. Luckily, they have Gilbert as an owner, though, so if Okoro becomes a stud ANd they get another one in the next draft he is likely to be willing to pay all 4 of their last 4 top picks. Will it be enough? Only if the next one is an eolite wing...preferably a SF.

I mean, at some point will they have air? Maybe, but what an absurd comment to make. The Cs would have had the guy they took for likely a minimum of 7-8 years if they wanted him that long. The idea you cannot just say the Cs - knowing what they know - would not have been better off not making the deal is beyond comical. Even for you.

 

[WiggyRuss]

cool, but we are talking about the Cs and you saying they won the deal. They were not a bottom feeder and would have been much better off keeping that pick than making the deal if we are using hindsight.

FYI, the Cavs were able to draft Sexton and still get other high picks. Luckily, they have Gilbert as an owner, though, so if Okoro becomes a stud ANd they get another one in the next draft he is likely to be willing to pay all 4 of their last 4 top picks. Will it be enough? Only if the next one is an eolite wing...preferably a SF.

I mean, at some point will they have air? Maybe, but what an absurd comment to make. The Cs would have had the guy they took for likely a minimum of 7-8 years if they wanted him that long. The idea you cannot just say the Cs - knowing what they know - would not have been better off not making the deal is beyond comical. Even for you.

all the more funny coming from a Wiz fan whose team is basically exactly what he is preaching against- stuck in perpetual mediocrity.

big night 10 days from now

 

[tlance]

all the more funny coming from a Wiz fan whose team is basically exactly what he is preaching against- stuck in perpetual mediocrity.

big night 10 days from now

And I blast them for it every chance I get.

 

[tlance]

cool, but we are talking about the Cs and you saying they won the deal. They were not a bottom feeder and would have been much better off keeping that pick than making the deal if we are using hindsight.

FYI, the Cavs were able to draft Sexton and still get other high picks. Luckily, they have Gilbert as an owner, though, so if Okoro becomes a stud ANd they get another one in the next draft he is likely to be willing to pay all 4 of their last 4 top picks. Will it be enough? Only if the next one is an eolite wing...preferably a SF.

I mean, at some point will they have air? Maybe, but what an absurd comment to make. The Cs would have had the guy they took for likely a minimum of 7-8 years if they wanted him that long. The idea you cannot just say the Cs - knowing what they know - would not have been better off not making the deal is beyond comical. Even for you.

Break it down how you want if it makes you feel better.

But bottom line is when the Cavs made this trade they were the second best team in the NBA. IMO, the return they got from the trade absolutely assured that LeBron would leave.

Now they are bottom feeders and have little realistic hope for the near future.

So fine if you want to say the Celtics lost the deal, but the Cavs definitely didn’t win it either.

Because they are terrible.

 

[dtgold88]

Break it down how you want if it makes you feel better.

But bottom line is when the Cavs made this trade they were the second best team in the NBA. IMO, the return they got from the trade absolutely assured that LeBron would leave.

Now they are bottom feeders and have little realistic hope for the near future.

So fine if you want to say the Celtics lost the deal, but the Cavs definitely didn’t win it either.

Because they are terrible.

Every time you say this deal assured Lebron would leave it never gets less absurd. Lebron was going no matter what. Seems obvious.

First you say the Cavs lose because they will be mediocre with no chance to get better with that pick...now you rip them because they are terrible and able to get another high pick?

 

[tlance]

Every time you say this deal assured Lebron would leave it never gets less absurd. Lebron was going no matter what. Seems obvious.

First you say the Cavs lose because they will be mediocre with no chance to get better with that pick...now you rip them because they are terrible and able to get another high pick?

Dude.

Look where they are right now.

They are not winners of anything.

Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to be atop the lottery odds. And they damn sure aren’t signing any good free agents.

 

[The Q]

Every time you say this deal assured Lebron would leave it never gets less absurd. Lebron was going no matter what. Seems obvious.

First you say the Cavs lose because they will be mediocre with no chance to get better with that pick...now you rip them because they are terrible and able to get another high pick?

theres no guarantee but I have a hard time seeing bron walking away from pp and then peak love

 

[tlance]

theres no guarantee but I have a hard time seeing bron walking away from pp and then peak love

Not so sure, but it at least would have given him something to think about.

 

[dtgold88]

Dude.

Look where they are right now.

They are not winners of anything.

Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to be atop the lottery odds. And they damn sure aren’t signing any good free agents.

no doubt needed one less win, but still could get a top 5 pick or better. They also have 4 still very young players to build around. But agree they wont get far without hitting on a stud in this draft....how it is in the NBA.

Did win a title if you forgot.

 

[dtgold88]

theres no guarantee but I have a hard time seeing bron walking away from pp and then peak love

If he wont agree to re-up even knowing they could have had PG not seeing how they could have gotten much better than that....certainly not for Kyrie after he demanded a trade (and entire league knew he was hurt and was gonna need surgery).

 

[The Q]

If he wont agree to re-up even knowing they could have had PG not seeing how they could have gotten much better than that....certainly not for Kyrie after he demanded a trade (and entire league knew he was hurt and was gonna need surgery).

knowing that knee surgery was actually nothing, CLe should’ve called his bluff

 

[dtgold88]

knowing that knee surgery was actually nothing, CLe should’ve called his bluff

and done what? Held onto him so he could have missed the playoffs for them?

 

[The Q]

and done what? Held onto him so he could have missed the playoffs for them?

Tell him to have it now (which was what he threatened). He would’ve been back before the as break

 

[dtgold88]

Tell him to have it now (which was what he threatened). He would’ve been back before the as break

He didn't even "have it now" for the team who acquired him.

 

[The Q]

He didn't even "have it now" for the team who acquired him.

Yes but that was his threat to cle to get traded

 

[tlance]

If he wont agree to re-up even knowing they could have had PG not seeing how they could have gotten much better than that....certainly not for Kyrie after he demanded a trade (and entire league knew he was hurt and was gonna need surgery).

Gilbert wanted him to agree to a long term deal before making a PG trade (or something comparable).

He made it clear from the start that he was going to use short term to keep pressure on Gilbert. So that was a non-starter.

Gilbert was the one trying to exert control which is his right as the owner.

But LeBron was gone as soon as Gilbert tried to take his leverage away.

Pretty simple really.

LeBron wasn’t going to promise anything. But he dictates you go all in to have a chance to keep him.

He might have left even after a PG trade.

But he 100% for sure was leaving after the debacle that was the 2018 Finals with a roster that frankly was lucky to be there.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes but that was his threat to cle to get traded

which means they knew it wasn't happening right away, and even the team who acquired him agreed.

Pretty sure the Cavs were moving him no matter what. Had you heard the stories about him when he was here? Multiple people reported he'd go weeks without talking to anyone. Probably why they were looking into dealing him before he demanded a deal.

 

[dtgold88]

Gilbert wanted him to agree to a long term deal before making a PG trade (or something comparable).

He made it clear from the start that he was going to use short term to keep pressure on Gilbert. So that was a non-starter.

Gilbert was the one trying to exert control which is his right as the owner.

But LeBron was gone as soon as Gilbert tried to take his leverage away.

Pretty simple really.

LeBron wasn’t going to promise anything. But he dictates you go all in to have a chance to keep him.

He might have left even after a PG trade.

But he 100% for sure was leaving after the debacle that was the 2018 Finals with a roster that frankly was lucky to be there.

How do you know Gilbert required a longterm deal. Did he tell you? Might have settled for picking up his option or just a 1 plus 1. Stopped reading after that, as I cannot imagine the rest got better.