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Coach of the Year Thread

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Well he now has Alex Smith so not sure that is a huge upgrade in that department. We saw last year where they were down by 2 scores and instead of going hurry up they just slowly drove the ball down the field. That isn't the QB's fault that is coaching. He should have known better and that isn't his first time of struggling with clock management that has cost his teams games.

Again he is a good coach I'm just not sure he is the type of coach that helps a team get over the hump.


Doug Pedersons' explanation for not going hurry up in that spot, got me very excited that he was coming to the AFC East, and he has not dissapointed
 

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Doug Pedersons' explanation for not going hurry up in that spot, got me very excited that he was coming to the AFC East, and he has not dissapointed
Dude definitely has turned into wannabe Reid when the going has gotten tough in Philly. Had some neat tricks with a better running game. I'd imagine Philly is looking at a RB high in the draft.
 

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Doug Pedersons' explanation for not going hurry up in that spot, got me very excited that he was coming to the AFC East, and he has not dissapointed

Haha well he is just an extension of Reid in that situation because Reid has done that very thing many times. He is a coach that struggles when things do not stay on schedule. During this run that they have had they have not been behind many times where they were forced to throw or really go to that no huddle to go and win a game. They can do it just not where Reid feels comfortable. Same with Pederson.
 

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So why can't he win a Super Bowl? Not saying he is a bad coach by any means but some of his in game decisions in my opinion have cost his team playoff games. He seems to have his team winning most of the time so yes he deserves consideration but if you can't get it done when it is needed most that has to knock a coach back a bit.
My retort to this is probably along the same lines of explaining why Dan Marino has zero rings while Trent Dilfer has a ring, or Eli Manning multiple rings, and so on and so forth. It's not exactly though there's a complete absence of playoff success during his career as evidenced by a SB appearance and several NFCCG games; and very possibly an AFCCG appearance if they can nab one of these byes. More recently Reid has had an extremely difficult road to division titles the past several years in the AFC West which is another problem as far as the SB goes. I don't see anything that's fatal per se as compared to other coaches that have won the SB, but that doesn't mean he will win a SB either. I don't think this is a Reeves situation with Reid at all, maybe that's homerism, maybe I am right.
 

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My retort to this is probably along the same lines of explaining why Dan Marino has zero rings while Trent Dilfer has a ring, or Eli Manning multiple rings, and so on and so forth. It's not exactly though there's a complete absence of playoff success during his career as evidenced by a SB appearance and several NFCCG games; and very possibly an AFCCG appearance if they can nab one of these byes. More recently Reid has had an extremely difficult road to division titles the past several years in the AFC West which is another problem as far as the SB goes. I don't see anything that's fatal per se as compared to other coaches that have won the SB, but that doesn't mean he will win a SB either. I don't think this is a Reeves situation with Reid at all, maybe that's homerism, maybe I am right.

Again I think he is a great coach. Probably top-5 in the league. He always has his teams competing clear to the end. I've just seen some in game decisions that make me think he is going to struggle when the games get tougher and those types of decisions really do decide winning and losing. I saw the same thing with Fox when he was here in Denver. Good coach that got along great with his players and had the team competing every single season. Some of his playoff in game decisions though just left you scratching your head. Reid is a better coach than Fox but will just have to see if he can ever get over the hump.
 

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Well he now has Alex Smith so not sure that is a huge upgrade in that department. We saw last year where they were down by 2 scores and instead of going hurry up they just slowly drove the ball down the field. That isn't the QB's fault that is coaching. He should have known better and that isn't his first time of struggling with clock management that has cost his teams games.

Again he is a good coach I'm just not sure he is the type of coach that helps a team get over the hump.
Well, this year he has done all of the right things. I believe the Chiefs still have the most comeback wins in the NFL but I could be wrong because I think Detroit has a lot of those, too. Certainly the Chiefs had better clock management than the Broncos earlier this season.
 

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Well, this year he has done all of the right things. I believe the Chiefs still have the most comeback wins in the NFL but I could be wrong because I think Detroit has a lot of those, too. Certainly the Chiefs had better clock management than the Broncos earlier this season.

I didn't say he always fails at that part of the game. I just said that in some big games that issue has popped up for him. Again I think Reid is a top-5 coach in the NFL. I'm just not sure he is the type of guy that makes the right decision to get you a Lombardi. Until they do it hard to actually know that a coach can do that. And with Reid it is one of those things he has had quite a few chances and hasn't gotten it done.
 

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I didn't say he always fails at that part of the game. I just said that in some big games that issue has popped up for him. Again I think Reid is a top-5 coach in the NFL. I'm just not sure he is the type of guy that makes the right decision to get you a Lombardi. Until they do it hard to actually know that a coach can do that. And with Reid it is one of those things he has had quite a few chances and hasn't gotten it done.
In some regards thats fair but in others...Id argue that there are only 2 coaches that have really gone the extra mile in that category in the NFL right now so thats a hard thing to reach.

Often times winning a Super Bowl and losing a Super Bowl just comes down to whether or not Von Miller is healthy.
 

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In some regards thats fair but in others...Id argue that there are only 2 coaches that have really gone the extra mile in that category in the NFL right now so thats a hard thing to reach.

Often times winning a Super Bowl and losing a Super Bowl just comes down to whether or not Von Miller is healthy.

Well to me it really is a combination of things. Yes you have to have playmakers that go out and make plays. There were still decisions made last year that really benefited the Broncos. Such as the switch in the Chargers game to Manning to give the team a boost and secure homefield. Then to leave him in as the starter. He didn't play outstanding in the playoffs but I do think him being the starting QB emotionally charged the rest of the team. The OL played some of its best games in the playoffs once Manning took over. WR's were starting to make some catches that were drops earlier in the season.

I would say coaching played a huge role in the style of defense we played against the Pats and the Panthers. They changed some things up that they hadn't done all year. Now that is more Phillips but Kubiak has plenty of say in the game planning on both sides of the ball. On offense they saw the Patriots had an issue with the out and up route from the TE and were able to build a nice 2 touchdown lead early in the Pats game to get them on their heals and having to throw. Those are just some of the little coaching decisions that paid off huge to us winning the Super Bowl.
 

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Well to me it really is a combination of things. Yes you have to have playmakers that go out and make plays. There were still decisions made last year that really benefited the Broncos. Such as the switch in the Chargers game to Manning to give the team a boost and secure homefield. Then to leave him in as the starter. He didn't play outstanding in the playoffs but I do think him being the starting QB emotionally charged the rest of the team. The OL played some of its best games in the playoffs once Manning took over. WR's were starting to make some catches that were drops earlier in the season.

I would say coaching played a huge role in the style of defense we played against the Pats and the Panthers. They changed some things up that they hadn't done all year. Now that is more Phillips but Kubiak has plenty of say in the game planning on both sides of the ball. On offense they saw the Patriots had an issue with the out and up route from the TE and were able to build a nice 2 touchdown lead early in the Pats game to get them on their heals and having to throw. Those are just some of the little coaching decisions that paid off huge to us winning the Super Bowl.
Its a little bit of everything, sure. You need the GM to put the pieces in place, too. Thats the big issue with the Broncos this year. Surely Kubiak will be in the running next year with a good draft if their trench play gets better.

The thing about the Broncos last year is that their defense was the best unit of any kind last year and they were able to ride it. In a weird way, the Chiefs have been able to ride their special teams unit this year down the stretch to make up for their awful third down defense, CB2 play and red zone offense.

Reids response to these obvious issues? Keep plugging in CB2s until one works. Terrance Newman working out? Who would've thought that? Maclin injured? Start figuring a way to get Hill involved. Goaline wildcat formation? Goalline formations for the TE3? Reids been getting it done. The limitations this year have been at the QB spot and not the coaching spot unless we are talking about their pass defense scheme which has been erratic to awful at times. Thats obviously the big worry. Any legit pass offense is just going to pick apart the scheme in the playoffs. Its probably why KC isnt the favorite right now despite some good things going on. I think most people can easily picture the same things happening on primetime earlier with Pitt or last year with New England all over again.
 

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They were 4-12 last year and could have been 14-2 if they didn't sit their guys in a meaningless game


I've never really bought into the use of the previous season record as the method to choose.
 

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I've never really bought into the use of the previous season record as the method to choose.


To me that is the best measuring stick. When you have a team that goes 4-12 loses their starting QB in preseason, starts a rookie QB and RB and has that huge turnaround. he deserves it or Quinn. Please don't tell me you have Belichick in the mix?
 
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