bob stoops calls out SEC defenses

[tabascojet]

It's funny how A&M was a middle of the pack Big XII team and the minute they get to the SEC they light everybody up. Hmmmm

funny how a new coach and a decent qb can turn things around....hmmmm

 

[RoboticDreams]

As much as I like the barb, all you have to do is look to the NFL for proof that the SEC had/has good defenses. Their players are all over the place.

 

[Wishbone]

funny how a new coach and a decent qb can turn things around....hmmmm

You're making Stoops point.

 

[Wishbone]

As much as I like the barb, all you have to do is look to the NFL for proof that the SEC had/has good defenses. Their players are all over the place.

Same could be said for Big XII offensive players no?

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

It's funny how A&M was a middle of the pack Big XII team and the minute they get to the SEC they light everybody up. Hmmmm

With a new coaching staff, new philosophy on offense and defense and many different players.

Here is a question for all you Big 12 honks.

If Texas A&M had any other QB on its current roster other than Manziel, would they be the team they are currently? Is Manziel a special player that comes along once in a blue moon and could possibly be talked about no matter what team he is on? This is overlooked when looking t the current state of A&M and what they are doing in the SEC. Its a perfect storm currently brewing, but that storm is not as devastating as many make out, they can be beat. But a Big 12 team couldnt do it, in fact it got embarrassed. So what are we talking about here.

 

[tabascojet]

You're making Stoops point.

aTm isnt better in the sec than the big12 because of sec defenses. the whole program was revamped.

 

[Wishbone]

Is he any different than Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Jason White, Robert Griffin III? OU had 6 straight games of scoring over 60 points. Remember that? Manziel really isn't doing anything special the our conference hasn't seen before.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Same could be said for Big XII offensive players no?

Yes, of course.

 

[tabascojet]

i certainly never said it was all JFFs doing....

Kevin Sumlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Is he any different than Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Jason White, Robert Griffin III? OU had 6 straight games of scoring over 60 points. Remember that? Manziel really isn't doing anything special the our conference hasn't seen before.

Then why couldnt Ok handle him last year in the bowl game, if he isnt any different than any other QB in the Big 12 in recent years.

 

[ktg8trgrl]

You have had great one or two teams at the top. Nobody disputes that. Big I'm not going to sit here and let you tell me how great Vandy, Kentucky, Arky, Tenn, Miss St, A&M, Miss St. defenses are.

Since 2005 the sec has had at fewest 4 teams (2009) in the top 25 with Lsu being #1 Florida #3 and the most teams ending up in the top 25 (2010) with Auburn 1 lsu 8 bama 10 can the big 12 say as much? I think not.. along with those "bottom feeders" as you call them. Tenn, ark, ole miss, miss st, mo,Vanderbilt, have all made an appearance in top 25 at seasons end since 2005..

 

[4down20]

Since 2005 the sec has had at fewest 4 teams (2009) in the top 25 with Lsu being #1 Florida #3 and the most teams ending up in the top 25 (2010) with Auburn 1 lsu 8 bama 10 can the big 12 say as much? I think not.. along with those "bottom feeders" as you call them. Tenn, ark, ole miss, miss st, mo,Vanderbilt, have all made an appearance in top 25 at seasons end since 2005..

inb4 SEC bias in polls thanks to ESPIN

 

[757Hokie83]

Maybe the real point in all of this is the fact that the SEC is not as deep/talented as it has been in the past. I mean its looking like Team SEC might be watching another conference playing it up in the Natty this year.

been this way for a while...2-3 great teams, a bunch of mediocre teams, and a couple shit teams

 

[BamaTee1]

You have had great one or two teams at the top. Nobody disputes that. Big I'm not going to sit here and let you tell me how great Vandy, Kentucky, Arky, Tenn, Miss St, A&M, Miss St. defenses are.

As we will not let you tell us how great Texas Tech(beat someone first), Kansas(no need), West Virginia (30-0 loss Maryland) Okie St (loss to West Va.),Texas (blowout loss to Ole Miss and BYU) ,Kansas St (loss to Div II team),TCU (loss to Texas Tech) ,Iowa St (no need) , and not ready to crown OU (beat bad ND team/played no one) or Baylor (ULM Warhawks best team they've beat) as good yet. Play someone first. Of course playing the conference schedule is not going to create many losses! Damn, did I just list your entire conference?

Now SEC has Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M (u list as bad but better this year and whipped OU in bowl?), Florida, South Carolina. Jury still out on Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Vandy and Missouri.

Tennessee, Miss St(?) and Kentucky are the bottom feeders right now.

 

[tabascojet]

your mediocre is another's top 40...

 

[757Hokie83]

They didn't light everyone up. Their stats were inflated while playing lower competition and leaving JFF in for 5 and 6 TD's a game.

Against the better defenses, they never scored more than 30 points.

so they only played 3 decent defense last year

 

[Wishbone]

Another thing about national title games. There needs to be a rule that teams can't play for the NC in their home State. You can't tell me it's not a huge advantage when OU had to play Lsu in NO or Florida in Florida. Same with Ohio St. Can you imagine if those games where played in Tulsa or Cleveland?

 

[HizzleRocker]

As we will not let you tell us how great Texas Tech(beat someone first), Kansas(no need), West Virginia (30-0 loss Maryland) Okie St (loss to West Va.),Texas (blowout loss to Ole Miss and BYU) ,Kansas St (loss to Div II team),TCU (loss to Texas Tech) ,Iowa St (no need) , and not ready to crown OU (beat bad ND team/played no one) or Baylor (ULM Warhawks best team they've beat) as good yet. Play someone first. Of course playing the conference schedule is not going to create many losses! Damn, did I just list your entire conference?

Now SEC has Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M (u list as bad but better this year and whipped OU in bowl?), Florida, South Carolina. Jury still out on Ole Miss, Auburn, Arkansas, Vandy and Missouri.

Tennessee, Miss St(?) and Kentucky are the bottom feeders right now.

You are telling us nothing that we don't know. Big 12 is down this year. Just about every single poster from a Big 12 school that I know of on here has stated the same - even before the season started. Last year, the Big 12 had a huge number of senior qbs and veteran teams. Many teams are back to the building block. Right now, Junior David Ash is the most experienced qb in the Big 12, and even he can't stay healthy.

None of that has anything to do with 2 points: 1) The Big 12 has been the best and deepest conference for the past many years; 2) The SEC has been the most top heavy conference and overrated as a whole.

 

[tabascojet]

None of that has anything to do with 2 points: 1) The Big 12 has been the best and deepest conference for the past many years; 2) The SEC has been the most top heavy conference and overrated as a whole.

the official team big12 mantra.... how is that working out for you guys?

 

[ktg8trgrl]

Since 2005...Big 12 has had at fewest 3 teams in the top 25 (06,10, 12) 06 Ou#11, 2010 TCU#2 Ou#6, 2012 K St #12, ..at most 5 teams in 2011 Ok st #3 Baylor #13.. just in case you were wondering.. and mostly one or no teams in top 5 one or two teams top 10.. doesn't really say much for the big 12 @ all actually