Big12 to David Boren:

[UVA_Guy81]

Legit concern. But I think WVA will have a spot in one of the 4 mega conferences when it comes to that along with the Okie schools, Texas and Kansas...even though Kansas sucks in football. Can't say the same for ISU, Baylor, TCU, Tech and K-State...even if they are better than Purdue, Wake, Wazzou, etc.

I think that if the NCAA forced Notre Dame to join a conference to get into the playoff than the ACC would be a logical fit for West Virginia if the Big XII were to break up since it'd put the ACC at an even 16 schools.

They could realign the conference into a North and South division.

North - BC, Syracuse, Pitt, ND, UVA, VT, WVU, Louisville
South - Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU

 

[ralphiewvu]

I think that if the NCAA forced Notre Dame to join a conference to get into the playoff than the ACC would be a logical fit for West Virginia if the Big XII were to break up since it'd put the ACC at an even 16 schools.

They could realign the conference into a North and South division.

North - BC, Syracuse, Pitt, ND, UVA, VT, WVU, Louisville
South - Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU

I'd love it man, but Tobacco Road will look and see Uconn is still available and would likely grab them. They don't like the academic side of WVU. Our only hope is FSU, Clemson, Miami and VPI forcing the acc's hand in bringing in WVU.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

I'd love it man, but Tobacco Road will look and see Uconn is still available and would likely grab them. They don't like the academic side of WVU. Our only hope is FSU, Clemson, Miami and VPI forcing the acc's hand in bringing in WVU.

Yeah, I remember that being a big reason the ACC didn't go after them when they did their poaching of Miami, VT, BC, Pitt and Syracuse. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Louisville has a good academic record so maybe they would overlook that to get a decent football and basketball school in there, whereas UConn is just a basketball school and nothing when it comes to football. I have no desire for UConn and I think if the ACC wanted UConn or even Cincy, they would've already poached them from the AAC.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Yeah, I remember that being a big reason the ACC didn't go after them when they did their poaching of Miami, VT, BC, Pitt and Syracuse. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Louisville has a good academic record so maybe they would overlook that to get a decent football and basketball school in there, whereas UConn is just a basketball school and nothing when it comes to football. I have no desire for UConn and I think if the ACC wanted UConn or even Cincy, they would've already poached them from the AAC.

Louisville doesn't but I specifically remember hearing FSU and a few others threatened to leave the ACC if Louisville wasn't picked up. Could be wrong though.

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Louisville doesn't but I specifically remember hearing FSU and a few others threatened to leave the ACC if Louisville wasn't picked up. Could be wrong though.

Yeah, that I don't remember but Louisville was the one that made the most sense sports wise, even though UConn and Cincy tried their damndest to try to convince the ACC to take them.

 

[4down20]

I still don't understand why Boren wants a network. Cable TV will be a thing of the past soon, and no chance espn or fox will throw a bunch of money at another conference network. OU needs to count their blessings they're getting 5mil a year from Fox, because a big 12 network would net around 1 mil a year ala pac 12 network.

You seem to be confused and think that Cable TV is going away. It's not going away, at best it will change how packages are done.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

You seem to be confused and think that Cable TV is going away. It's not going away, at best it will change how packages are done.

I have been trying to figure out how Lance Armstrong is going to spin it when the B1G TV contract is announced.

Will he brag that he was right because the B1G did not get as much as everyone thought or will he admit they got more than he thought they would and eat crow.

Since he is a Texas fan, it will be spun, you know that. And my guess is that he will do some bragging, even if he is wrong.

I think the B1G was getting $112,000,000 per year for football and basketball, is doubling it a homerun? is tripling it a homerun? is quadrupling it a homerun?

The PAC 12 hit $225,000,00 per year in 2011. Yes, times are different. The money might not be there, yet sports media is a profit maker. Just because ESPN is losing subscriber base does not mean people quit watching sports. It just means that ESPNs business model has ticked people off

PAC 12 $225,000,000
SEC $205,000,000
ACC $155,000,000
Big 12 $130,000,000 (now you see where Boren is coming from)

The Big Ten Tier 2 rights are NOT up for negotiation. That is the Big Ten Network and Fox's for another 16 years or so.

As long as Rupert Murdoch stays alive, I expect Fox to bid high. I think $300,000,000 per year sounds right.

ESPN cannot lose the Big Ten as this could possibly cause further erosion to its subscriber base. The only conference ESPN fully controls is the ACC and look how ESPN is treating them.

 

[starbigd]

I think his point is that the cable model is dying.

People are migrating more and more to on demand streaming services.....it's the wave of the future. It's killing cable. He's not wrong about that......it just may take longer than he anticipates.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

I know what Lance is implying, but it won't matter once the contract is signed.

I just did ballpark figures on bowl game ratings and viewers. The Big 12 had a VERY good showing for being the smallest conference and the ACC and the PAC 12 were the laggards.

Power 5 conference game with the lowest amount is Minnesota Central Michigan at 1.486 million

All errors were made by me. Going out to dinner and in a rush.

Total Viewers does not include NC or conference championship numbers)
B1G 72 million
SEC 70 million
Big 12 62 million
ACC 49 million
PAC 12 47 million

Average per game on TV
Big 12 nearly 9 million
B1G 7.2 million
SEC 7 million
ACC 5.5 million
PAC 12 4.7 million

B1G TV Bowl Game Viewers
Alabama/Mich State 18.552 million
Stanford/Iowa 13.552 million
Ohio State/notre Dame 9.759 million
Michigan/Florida 8.761 million
Georgia/Penn State 5.872 million
Wisconsin/USC 4.249 million
Nebraska/UCLA 4.056 million
Duke/Indiana 3.77 million
Northwestern/Tenn 2.821 million
Minnesota/Central Michigan 1.486 million
approx 72 million


PAC 12
Stanford/Iowa 13.552 million
TCU/Oregon 7.414 million
WSU/Miami 4.700 million
Wisconsin/USC 4.249 million
Nebraska/UCLA 4.056 million
WVU/AZ State 3.699 million
Utah/BYU 3.675 million
Washington/Southern Miss 2.617 million
Arizona/New Mexico 1.832 million
Cal/Air Force 1.888 million
apporx 47 million

Interestings
Ohio State/notre Dame 9.759 million
Houston/Florida State 5.604 million
Auburn/memphis 2.412 million
Marshall/UConn 2.400 million
Toledo/Temple 1.962 million
SDSU/Cincinnati 1.636 million
Boise State/Northern Illinois 1.382
WKU/USF 1.152 million


ACC
Clemson/Oklahoma 15.64 million
Houston/Florida State 5.604 million
Louisville/Texas A&M 5.423 million
WSU/Miami 4.700 million
Baylor/UNC 4.202 million
Duke/Indiana 3.77 million
Miss St/NC State 3.501 million
VT/Tulsa 3.416 million
Navy/Pitt 2.182 million
approx 49 million


Big 12
Clemson/Oklahoma 15.64 million
Mississippi/Oklahoma State 8.940 million
TCU/Oregon 7.414 million
Arkansas/KSU 7.049 million
LSU/T Tech 4.958 million
Baylor/UNC 4.202 million
WVU/AZ State 3.699 million
approx 62 million


SEC
Alabama/Mich State 18.552 million
Mississippi/Oklahoma State 8.940 million
Michigan/Florida 8.761 million
Arkansas/KSU 7.049 million
Louisville/Texas A&M 5.423 million
Georgia/Penn State 5.872 million
LSU/T Tech 4.958 million
Miss St/NC State 3.501 million
Northwestern/Tenn 2.821 million
Auburn/memphis 2.412 million
approx 70 million

Conference Championships
SEC Championship 12.76 million
B1G Championship 9.818 million
ACC Championship 7.919 million
PAC 12 Championship 2.582 million
AAC Championship (houston vs temple) 2.45 million

National Championship
Alabama/Clemson 26.182 million

 

[nddulac]

You seem to be confused and think that Cable TV is going away. It's not going away, at best it will change how packages are done.

If delivery over the internet is an option, cable will disappear in very short order (except as an internet provider.)

 

[4down20]

If delivery over the internet is an option, cable will disappear in very short order (except as an internet provider.)

I already do this. It's the same networks/channels. I pay $5 a month for ESPN.

 

[Blitzville]

In this day of existing consumers cutting the cable and young consumers never even feeling they need cable TV...I do not see ESPN/Fox adding 20 million dollars per year per team added to a conference they know they over paid for to start with. To add 2 teams and a CCG means adding 60 million per year in now expenses just for the rights. There will not be any significant addition of new cable boxes and existing advertising markets would would only be diluted further.

 

[occupant]

In this day of existing consumers cutting the cable and young consumers never even feeling they need cable TV...I do not see ESPN/Fox adding 20 million dollars per year per team added to a conference they know they over paid for to start with. To add 2 teams and a CCG means adding 60 million per year in now expenses just for the rights. There will not be any significant addition of new cable boxes and existing advertising markets would would only be diluted further.

That's why the transition to streaming subscription will happen...and the money will roll right in, just not in the amount that it did previously when ESPN was part of a cable "bundle".

There will be contraction of $$$ when this occurs. It's inevitable.

 

[Texas Jefe]

That's why the transition to streaming subscription will happen...and the money will roll right in, just not in the amount that it did previously when ESPN was part of a cable "bundle".

There will be contraction of $$$ when this occurs. It's inevitable.

yes

 

[Texas Jefe]

I dumped this article in this thread, as it seemed to fit the general discussion.

It's clear Big 12 has no choice but to do something soon: 7 things to know

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Streaming is the future, not sure how long it'll take cable to die but it is. I'd be really surprised if ESPN dished out any more raises when new tv deals are up, they need to cut costs so they can be affordable when they're forced to go full time stream model.

 

[GoldRusher]

Mitch Vingle: Big 12 expansion and MEC tournament news

 

[Scapegoat]

The Florida schools should have been considered the first time.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

The Florida schools should have been considered the first time.

Why, they're the JV schools in their own state. Colorado state could easily take over Colorado, Tulane and cincy could at least be decent 2nd options in talent rich states, and BYU is already a pretty big brand name.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Mitch Vingle: Big 12 expansion and MEC tournament news

"The network gravy train is over"