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[TrollyMcTroller]

at the end of the day conference realignment comes down to academic association

Yeah... . that's what conference realignment is all about.

 

[geneh_33]

Yeah... . that's what conference realignment is all about.

It's mainly about TV markets but academics does a play at least a small role in it. At least as far as the ACC, B1G and PAC are concerned, that is.

The ACC will not take a school whose academics suck. That's why WVU didn't get in. Although I wish we had bent the rules and let them in, anyway.

 

[dcZONAfan]

reading comprehension dude........

i was talking about navy not notre dame

nah, it's more like you don't know how to speak and thus when you try to make a point, nobody understands what in the hell you are talking about.

what, exactly, did you mean when you said this:

navy really isn't an ideal choice. some may like it but from the "eye test" they just shouldn't be a member. football only.....ok fine but thats about it.

at the end of the day conference realignment comes down to academic association and there is not a single school in the acc besides notre dame that considers navy an academic peer.

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

It's mainly about TV markets but academics does a play at least a small role in it. At least as far as the ACC, B1G and PAC are concerned, that is.

Sure academics play a role, but to claim that's what conference realignment is pretty fucking retarded.

The ACC will not take a school whose academics suck. That's why WVU didn't get in. Although I wish we had bent the rules and let them in, anyway.

Yeah, and UofL got in because of their stellar academic record. I'm sure it had nothing to do with appearances in BCS games, Final Fours, College World Series... etc. That 161st ranking really shines compared to WVU's 170th.

 

[jonvi]

Fuckin trolly....on a roll tonight.

 

[john01992]

academics 100% play a factor in conference realignment. people wanna use wvu to the b12 as an example......well
1) the b12 isn general the one league that fails to follow traditional conf. realignment trends. they do this mostly because their moves were extremely short sighted and designed to save the conference from short term instability.

2) what other academic options did the b12 have? not any legitimate ones.

the term academic association is a theme that comes up repeatedly in conference realignment. I am every single time you always find a quote of "we decided to join XXX conference because we enjoy the academic association of (members of that league)"

-a leaked email from a d2 school discussing conference realignment said something exactly along those lines

-there is a quote from an admin from one of the zona's schools when they joined the pac8 that said this exact same thing

-the notre dame AD is on the record saying the exact same thing

the trend is that this line gets repeated so often and across so many different levels wether it is public/internal present day or in the past........it has always been a reoccurring theme. every school so far from colorado to louisville increased their academic association with those moves. you have schools like nebraska who made huge jumps in the academic rankings and saw their research intake jump by millions after 2 years in the conference. rutgers/umd who made no sense from an athletic standpoint but are quietly the two best research schools in the northeast.

no offense but sportshoopla posters suck at understanding conference realignment. i just went about 5 pages with a wvu fan explaining that the acc makes 20 million a year per school not the 17 mill that every b12 poster thinks it is. something that is accepted as a common fact on a realignment mesage board. and its the same with academics, very few who understand conf. realignment will argue against academics not being a major factor. at the end of the day a university has an endowment that makes athletic revenue look like chump change. People assume that academics in conf. realignment means theres this magical bar that (you must be this high in the academic rankings to get in). that is not the case. all it means is that the departing schools will continue to improve their academic association. the conferences will raid the academic schools first and when all the good academic options have already been taken that doesn't mean they will not stop adding new schools. because for the stability of the league ii i better to add a bad academic school than to not add a school at all.

navy is an academic outlier in the acc. not a single acc school (except notre dame) considers them a peer institution. I really don't see how anyone can argue that that is not a major factor that will work against them for a potential acc invite.

if academic association does not matter then explain to me why cu-utah are in the pac12 over byu/baylor

or why liberty keeps getting passed over by the other conferences for a FBS invite

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

academics 100% play a factor in conference realignment. people wanna use wvu to the b12 as an example......well

<snipped all the fucking bullshit>

if academic association does not matter then explain to me why cu-utah are in the pac12 over byu/baylor

or why liberty keeps getting passed over by the other conferences for a FBS invite

Learn to fucking read, you fucking idiot.

You said, conference realignment was "all about" academics.

It isn't. Just because it is a factor, doesn't mean that's what it's all about.

You were wrong. You're just trying to backpeddle like you always do. Now shut your fucking cock holster, and let the grownups talk.

Maybe the WVU fans haven't grown wearing of your incessant trolling, but nobody here cares for it. Go back there and sell your bullshit. Maybe someone there will buy it.

 

[jonvi]

Holy fuck......

 

[douggie]

Damn it's not just cold in Winston-Salem. It's COLD SHOOTING in the Joel.

Syracuse shooting 26% first half.
Wake Forest shooting 27% first half.

 

[john01992]

Learn to fucking read, you fucking idiot.

You said, conference realignment was "all about" academics.

It isn't. Just because it is a factor, doesn't mean that's what it's all about.

You were wrong. You're just trying to backpeddle like you always do. Now shut your fucking cock holster, and let the grownups talk.

Maybe the WVU fans haven't grown wearing of your incessant trolling, but nobody here cares for it. Go back there and sell your bullshit. Maybe someone there will buy it.

well it is.....

from the perspective of the schools looking to join a new conference ==> it is the single biggest factor.

syracuse has a 1.1 bill endowment do you really think they will screw with that in the name of getting an extra 10 mill a year in athletic revenue?

hell no......

 

[The Derski]

Wow. Johnny boy has taken over the ACC thread.

 

[john01992]

Wow. Johnny boy has taken over the ACC thread.

last i checked i am an acc fan talking about acc topics while a couple og zona fans are coming around ranting nothing but bullshit.....

and yall say i am taking over the thread??????

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

well it is.....

from the perspective of the schools looking to join a new conference ==> it is the single biggest factor.

syracuse has a 1.1 bill endowment do you really think they will screw with that in the name of getting an extra 10 mill a year in athletic revenue?

hell no......

Yeah, and if you think that changing athletic conferences would affect a school's endowment, you're even more fucking retarded than I thought. Do you even have lower brain stem function? Can you breathe on your own or do you have a little alarm that goes off every 3 seconds to remind you?

UofL was chosen to move to the ACC because of it's athletic prowess, not its run-of-the-fucking-mill academics. UofL went to the ACC not because Duke and UNC are rated highly in academics. Not because the ACC has a bunch of land fucking grant institutions. Not because of the size of anyone's' fucking endowment. They went because the ACC would pay them more money than where they were. They had already made arrangements to leave the Big East before the ACC deal even came up, so in all likelihood they would have gone to the B12 had they offered first. It was about money. Plain and simple.

You're fucking wrong. Just fucking admit it you fucking idiot.

 

[The Derski]

last i checked i am an acc fan talking about acc topics while a couple og zona fans are coming around ranting nothing but bullshit.....

and yall say i am taking over the thread??????

Hard to tell whether you are a Big Ten fan, ACC fan, or a Pac-12 fan.

 

[john01992]

Yeah, and if you think that changing athletic conferences would affect a school's endowment, you're even more fucking retarded than I thought. Do you even have lower brain stem function? Can you breathe on your own or do you have a little alarm that goes off every 3 seconds to remind you?

UofL was chosen to move to the ACC because of it's athletic prowess, not its run-of-the-fucking-mill academics. UofL went to the ACC not because Duke and UNC are rated highly in academics. Not because the ACC has a bunch of land fucking grant institutions. Not because of the size of anyone's' fucking endowment. They went because the ACC would pay them more money than where they were. They had already made arrangements to leave the Big East before the ACC deal even came up, so in all likelihood they would have gone to the B12 had they offered first. It was about money. Plain and simple.

You're fucking wrong. Just fucking admit it you fucking idiot.

UofL was chosen because the ACC had no other option. and lets be clear. if there was a flagship landgrant aau type school from a medium sized state....and it made sense geographically....and that school was available the ACC would of taken that school over LV. the acc would sell UofL down the road for the chance to get UMD back in a heartbeat.

the admins of every school that joins the acc wether it was BC or UofL ==> what makes them like the acc move the most IS the academic association of uva, duke, & unc. because to them that association is worth more from a branding/marketing standpoint is worth a lot more than the 17 million of athletic revenue they added to their program each year.

the point of the endowment is to show you that at the end of the day universities have a ton of other factors to consider besides tv revenue. making 5 mill in added tv revenue does come close to alumni donations, advertising opportunities, and admission rates that all make that 5 mill a year look like chump change.

UofL would of taken a paycut to get into the ACC.
1) the TV money is not as important as you think
2) the $$$ benefit of acc membership means they would of made that money back elsewhere
3) the branding/marketing value far exceeds any money they would of lost in changing conferences

 

[john01992]

Hard to tell whether you are a Big Ten fan, ACC fan, or a Pac-12 fan.

b10 for football
syracuse (not the acc) for basketball
my relationship with the pac12 ==> guilty by association

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

UofL was chosen because the ACC had no other option. and lets be clear. if there was a flagship landgrant aau type school from a medium sized state....and it made sense geographically....and that school was available the ACC would of taken that school over LV. the acc would sell UofL down the road for the chance to get UMD back in a heartbeat.

the admins of every school that joins the acc wether it was BC or UofL ==> what makes them like the acc move the most IS the academic association of uva, duke, & unc. because to them that association is worth more from a branding/marketing standpoint is worth a lot more than the 17 million of athletic revenue they added to their program each year.

the point of the endowment is to show you that at the end of the day universities have a ton of other factors to consider besides tv revenue. making 5 mill in added tv revenue does come close to alumni donations, advertising opportunities, and admission rates that all make that 5 mill a year look like chump change.

UofL would of taken a paycut to get into the ACC.
1) the TV money is not as important as you think
2) the $$$ benefit of acc membership means they would of made that money back elsewhere
3) the branding/marketing value far exceeds any money they would of lost in changing conferences

That would be a brilliant point if schools like Louisville relied on money from the University to run their athletic Department. Unfortunately for you, and your fucktard point, they don't.

Many major programs run their athletic department on a completely separate budget from the rest of the University. That means they aren't worrying about those billion dollar endowments at all. They mean fuck-all to the athletic departments who are simply trying to make sure they get all their sports paid for, their Title IX obligations met, and have enough left over to kick back to the general fund of the University at the end of the day.

You're confusing The University Of Louisville and the University Of Luisville Athletic Department. They aren't interchangeable in this sense.

So while the ACC would prefer to have another AAU institution instead of Louisville, they weren't expanding to improve the academic profile of the conference, they were expanding to improve their conference footprint to be able to negotiate better TV contracts and other revenue generators. IT's also worth noting that you can't confuse a given conference with its member institutions. The ACC doesn't give a rat's ass about Syracuse's endowment beyond the fact it's big enough to insure the school isn't going to fold anytime soon. But they know it has fuck-all to do with athletics.

 

[john01992]

That would be a brilliant point if schools like Louisville relied on money from the University to run their athletic Department. Unfortunately for you, and your fucktard point, they don't.

Many major programs run their athletic department on a completely separate budget from the rest of the University. That means they aren't worrying about those billion dollar endowments at all. They mean fuck-all to the athletic departments who are simply trying to make sure they get all their sports paid for, their Title IX obligations met, and have enough left over to kick back to the general fund of the University at the end of the day.

You're confusing The University Of Louisville and the University Of Luisville Athletic Department. They aren't interchangeable in this sense.

So while the ACC would prefer to have another AAU institution instead of Louisville, they weren't expanding to improve the academic profile of the conference, they were expanding to improve their conference footprint to be able to negotiate better TV contracts and other revenue generators. IT's also worth noting that you can't confuse a given conference with its member institutions. The ACC doesn't give a rat's ass about Syracuse's endowment beyond the fact it's big enough to insure the school isn't going to fold anytime soon. But they know it has fuck-all to do with athletics.

while they rely on athletic money to run athletics......they don't rely on TV money. and that is the huge point that you miss. tv money accounts for only a fraction of their total revenue. LV made $84 mill in revenue last year. last i checked their tv contract was only 3 mill a year.

if LV feels that trading syracuse, notre dame, pitt, unc & duke for uconn, memphis, cincy, temple, smu would net them more revenue in the form of sponsors, merchandising, & tickets.....they will make that trade for athletic reasons.

if LV feels that giving up that BE money to be associated with the likes of duke & unc and that that association will net them more applications and be taken more seriously academically in the public perception department......then they will gladly cut part of their athletic budget to make up for the athletic revenue lost because at the end of the day it is a net gain for the university. they might struggle in the frst 5 years. but 10 years down the road it will help because building your academic brand ultimately helps your athletic brand down the road in the forms of player recruiting, donations, & tv contracts

 

[TrollyMcTroller]

You know what builds your athletic brand? Bumping up your mediocre fucking ranking. That's what bumps up your academic profile. You know what else? Becoming an AAU member. You know what doesn't? Playing basketball games against fucking Duke.

Academics aren't driving conference realignment. Money is.

If academics were the top priority, Louisville would never have been invited to the ACC. If Academics were top priority, they wouldn't need a replacement for Maryland, they would have simply contracted. But they didn't. They added middle-of-the-road Louisville, because Louisville is a better brand to add to the conference that will make them all more money in the long run.

 

[john01992]

You know what builds your athletic brand? Bumping up your mediocre fucking ranking. That's what bumps up your academic profile. You know what else? Becoming an AAU member. You know what doesn't? Playing basketball games against fucking Duke.

Academics aren't driving conference realignment. Money is.

If academics were the top priority, Louisville would never have been invited to the ACC. If Academics were top priority, they wouldn't need a replacement for Maryland, they would have simply contracted. But they didn't. They added middle-of-the-road Louisville, because Louisville is a better brand to add to the conference that will make them all more money in the long run.

1. do you realize how exclusive aau membership is. LV is DECADES away
2. there is a direct relationship between athletic success and application rates
3. schools are shown to have greater success recruiting students that are located in their own conference footprint.
4. school presidents live breath eat & shit thinking about upgrading their academic association. it is something that gets talked about so often by so many schools that you simply can not deny this
5. you just proved your stupidity. I have been very clear that academics are the driving factor for why schools move but not why conferences add.
6. i already hit the "it is better to add a bad academic school than to not add at all" point

I know you visit that other conf. realignment forum as well. why don't you go there and ask how much the academics matter and watch how badly you get owned there. academics are the single biggest driving factor for why schools leave and people who know what they are talking about agree with me. Hell the most powerful AD in college sports even said it.