Auburn > Missouri?

[sakau2007]

Missouri up 23 at half, versus an okay Vanderbilt team
Missouri up 18 at half, versus the then injury ravaged and horrible Georgia
Missouri up 10 at half, versus a (5-7) garbage Florida team
Missouri up 21 at half, versus a (5-7) garbage Tennessee team
Missouri up 25 at half, versus a (2-10) garbage Kentucky team
Missouri up 14 at half, versus an okay Ole Miss team

1. The notion that it is impossible to skate through the SEC is false.
2. The notion that the elite SEC teams get beat up because everyone gives them a game is false.


Those notions might be true if the SEC only had 10 teams and 9 league games.
The SEC has an 8 game schedule with 14 teams.

It happens every year that at least one SEC team barely gets challenged thanks to scheduling quirks.

Until they go to 9 games, there will be a Missouri type run every season.

Of course it isn't impossible. but guess what? of the last 7 BCS champions, the only 2 that didn't lose a game against an SEC team were 2009 Alabama and 2010 Auburn. The other 5 champions combined for 6 losses against SEC foes and put up a mark of 34-0 I believe against nonconference opponents.

So this notion that a 1 loss SEC team isn't better than an undefeated some-other-conference team is not only debatable but has been proven false year after year.

 

[ellupo]

If Auburn beats Nr 1 Alabama and then Nr 4 Missouri and Ohio State Squeaks by Nr 10 MSU, Auburn deserves the nod. You just can't spend the year playing cup cakes and expect to be rewarded.

Win and you can complain about the NC game, when you lose you back door into the game. No right to complain. Win or go home.

 

[ellupo]

Of course it isn't impossible. but guess what? of the last 7 BCS champions, the only 2 that didn't lose a game against an SEC team were 2009 Alabama and 2010 Auburn. The other 5 champions combined for 6 losses against SEC foes and put up a mark of 34-0 I believe against nonconference opponents.

So this notion that a 1 loss SEC team isn't better than an undefeated some-other-conference team is not only debatable but has been proven false year after year.

All that proved is they were better than that one team on that day. Thats all.

 

[sakau2007]

All that proved is they were better than that one team on that day. Thats all.

right.

so the SEC has just proved it is better than the best team the country could field to line up against them 8 out of 8 times. that is all they have proved. well, that and the best BCS bowl record and a consistent strong record in other bowls and nonconference games.

 

[sakau2007]

Win and you can complain about the NC game, when you lose you back door into the game. No right to complain. Win or go home.

would be funny to see ohio state fans if they had to play 5 top 25 teams and went 4-1 in those games including 2 wins over the top 10 get passed over for northern illinois because they were undefeated.

after all, if you lose you have no right to complain, right?

 

[Runeman]

would be funny to see ohio state fans if they had to play 5 top 25 teams and went 4-1 in those games including 2 wins over the top 10 get passed over for northern illinois because they were undefeated.

after all, if you lose you have no right to complain, right?

Yup; that puts things in proper perspective.

 

[rmilia1]

would be funny to see ohio state fans if they had to play 5 top 25 teams and went 4-1 in those games including 2 wins over the top 10 get passed over for northern illinois because they were undefeated.

after all, if you lose you have no right to complain, right?

I think Auburn has a gripe. Just not a very good one. Does it suck for them that they played such a tough schedule and lost a game?? Sure but the BCS is NOT supposed to match up the 2 best teams ( this is where people get confused ) the BCS matches up the 2 highest ranked teams. Period. Those are not always the 2 best as evidenced by the NUMEROUS blowouts in title games. This year isnt any different than the 6 or 7 other years that we got to watch 42-14 title games. IF the voters see fit to move Auburn ahead of OSU even with a Buckeye win then it is what it is. That scenario is unlikely and its the price you pay for crowning a chmapion based solely on peoples opinions ( especially when the people voting rarely if ever are knowledgeable enough about ALL the teams they are voting for )

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Auburn and Mizzou have the same shot of going to the National Title. Florida St and Ohio St win, 0% shot. One of them loses….100%

Yep.

Bama will not jump a 12-1 team that has already beaten them, nor should they jump a 12-1 team that beats the team that beat them.

OSU and FSU should make it all academic this saturday, though. I have very little faith that Duke will pull the upset; MSU might make a good game of it but I can see Ohio State escaping with a win.

 

[sakau2007]

its nice that a mid level B12 team can reach the conference champ game in its seconds year in the league, playing against all of those amazing SEC teams...just thing what the top level B12 teams would do in the SEC!

We've seen what they do... get handled in Dallas on an annual basis in the cotton bowl.

And get beaten in BCS title games.

 

[7Samurai13]

Missouri up 23 at half, versus an okay Vanderbilt team
Missouri up 18 at half, versus the then injury ravaged and horrible Georgia
Missouri up 10 at half, versus a (5-7) garbage Florida team
Missouri up 21 at half, versus a (5-7) garbage Tennessee team
Missouri up 25 at half, versus a (2-10) garbage Kentucky team
Missouri up 14 at half, versus an okay Ole Miss team

1. The notion that it is impossible to skate through the SEC is false.
2. The notion that the elite SEC teams get beat up because everyone gives them a game is false.


Those notions might be true if the SEC only had 10 teams and 9 league games.
The SEC has an 8 game schedule with 14 teams.

It happens every year that at least one SEC team barely gets challenged thanks to scheduling quirks.

Until they go to 9 games, there will be a Missouri type run every season.

Florida was 4-8, so they are even worse than you thought. Georgia Southern

 

[ellupo]

right.

so the SEC has just proved it is better than the best team the country could field to line up against them 8 out of 8 times. that is all they have proved. well, that and the best BCS bowl record and a consistent strong record in other bowls and nonconference games.

Wrong again, the team that played not the SEC proved it was better than the team that was voted to play in that game. That is all they proved.

 

[ellupo]

would be funny to see ohio state fans if they had to play 5 top 25 teams and went 4-1 in those games including 2 wins over the top 10 get passed over for northern illinois because they were undefeated.

after all, if you lose you have no right to complain, right?

Exactly when you have a loss you have shown that you are not the best team in the country already. If you are undefeated then it has not been proven yet. See he can be taught.

 

[7Samurai13]

right.

so the SEC has just proved it is better than the best team the country could field to line up against them 8 out of 8 times. that is all they have proved. well, that and the best BCS bowl record and a consistent strong record in other bowls and nonconference games.

So Ohio State going undefeated two years in a row is irrelevant because we are talking about this season but at the exact same time the SEC winning all of their BCS titles matter because we are talking about how awesome the SEC is. Hypocritical much?

2011 = It isn't about who you beat it is about who you lost too
2013 = It isn't about who you lost to it is about who you beat
SEC logic

 

[sakau2007]

I think Auburn has a gripe. Just not a very good one. Does it suck for them that they played such a tough schedule and lost a game?? Sure but the BCS is NOT supposed to match up the 2 best teams ( this is where people get confused ) the BCS matches up the 2 highest ranked teams. Period. Those are not always the 2 best as evidenced by the NUMEROUS blowouts in title games. This year isnt any different than the 6 or 7 other years that we got to watch 42-14 title games. IF the voters see fit to move Auburn ahead of OSU even with a Buckeye win then it is what it is. That scenario is unlikely and its the price you pay for crowning a chmapion based solely on peoples opinions ( especially when the people voting rarely if ever are knowledgeable enough about ALL the teams they are voting for )

The whole point of ranking the BCS teams in order is to rank them in order of how good they are to the best of our ability.

Incidentally, having Ohio State ahead of Auburn because they are 12-0 compared to 11-1 is also based on people's opinions. We can't play a round robin of college football. Last year's Notre Dame team was a bit of an aberration. They were undefeated and had actually played a reasonably tough schedule. But basically nobody thought they were better than Alabama. That's why they were a double digit underdog. And that's why it surprised nobody when the game was essentially over by the end of the first quarter.

 

[sakau2007]

So Ohio State going undefeated two years in a row is irrelevant because we are talking about this season but at the exact same time the SEC winning all of their BCS titles matter because we are talking about how awesome the SEC is. Hypocritical much?

2011 = It isn't about who you beat it is about who you lost too
2013 = It isn't about who you lost to it is about who you beat
SEC logic

I don't care if you go undefeated 20 years in a row if you don't play a top 20 team.

When we are talking about BCS championships, compare yourself to what other top teams are doing against other top teams. With Ohio State, we have no data points. That's the point. They are like your undefeated TCU, Boise State, Utah, Northern Illinois of recent memory... with more prestige due to name/conference/brand but when you really get down to the resume, not much more (or in at least one case, less) substance.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

I'm very nervous this does not set up well for Auburn especially after back to back emotional games and them not having the underdog card to play.

I won't be surprised if we drop this game and have focus problems.

Don't worry, Mizzurrah gone focus you up, good

 

[Clayton]

This is Mizzou's Bowl Game as far as Im concerned. Unless Ohio St loses, playing UCF just really isnt the same

 

[rmilia1]

The whole point of ranking the BCS teams in order is to rank them in order of how good they are to the best of our ability.

Incidentally, having Ohio State ahead of Auburn because they are 12-0 compared to 11-1 is also based on people's opinions. We can't play a round robin of college football. Last year's Notre Dame team was a bit of an aberration. They were undefeated and had actually played a reasonably tough schedule. But basically nobody thought they were better than Alabama. That's why they were a double digit underdog. And that's why it surprised nobody when the game was essentially over by the end of the first quarter.

Exactly and people ( once again opinion) are almost always going to rank teams that are unbeaten ahead of teams with a loss. We are saying the same thing. Difference is that Im saying MOST people who vote are going to rank an unbeaten team ahead of a 1 loss team because MOST people havent watched enough of the teams theyre voting for to do otherwise. Last year ND was not the only team to make the title game despite not being one of the 2 best teams. Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ohio State have all made title games despite not being one of the 2 best and Im sure there are more if I took the time to think about it.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Those notions might be true if the SEC only had 10 teams and 9 league games.
The SEC has an 8 game schedule with 14 teams.

It happens every year that at least one SEC team barely gets challenged thanks to scheduling quirks.

Until they go to 9 games, there will be a Missouri type run every season.

There'd still be these kinds of seasons, even with a ninth conference game.

As other folks keep reminding us, there are some TURRBUL teams in the SEC. Who's to say that the ninth conference game is going to be against one of the better ones? We will still see the same "you avoided the best teams from the other division" arguments.

Given the 12 game schedule, the only pure conference is a 9- or 10-team league. On that, we agree.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

I wasn't trying to blast the SEC

I was blasting the notion that it is impossible to go unscathed in the SEC.

It is actually becoming easier and easier thanks to 14 teams and designated rival cross-division.

Not everyone plays equally tough SEC schedules.

The scheduling imbalance in the SEC is starting to become glaring.

Nick Saban is the only SEC coach who recognizes the need for 9 games.