Series Thread: ALDS: New York Yankees vs Cleveland Indians

[Cyder]

The Yanks fans in here crying, calling the series over, calling for Girardi's head.. seems so long ago. Now we are heading into game 5 winner takes all

A lot of Yankee fans have never liked Joe because he got the job instead of Mattingly. Joe made some huge mistakes in game 2 but he also:

Managed a perfect game in the wild card game when his ace shat the bed.
Went with Tanaka instead of Severino in game 3 which worked to perfection.
Left the left handed Bird in against Miller in game 3 rather than go with a righty and he had righties on the bench

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

That's what I would expect a pessimistic fan to say.

A realistic fan would acknowledge the fact that while they've had their struggles, the Indians' offense has scored an average of 4 runs a game this series and that if Kluber went 8 innings, allowing only one run, the odds would be very good that the Indians would win that game.

The Yankees' offense has been held to one or fewer runs twenty-three times this year. They are 1-22 in those games.

yankees are done if Kluber went 8 innings of one or even 2 run ball

again, CC is reliable, but he is not 7 shutout reliable....Everyone here sees a great CC start at 6 innings of 2 run ball

 

[StanMarsh51]

I'm not surprise it's 2-2, I expect this franchise to piss down their legs in the playoffs, theyve done it anytime theyve ever gotten there in my lifetime.

Didn't you predict Cleveland in 4 and say the Yankees don't worry you? That would certainly lead me to believe you were surprised that this is 2-2 as you severely underestimated the Yankee lineup and pitching staff.

As I've shown already in this thread, the Yankee pitching (namely the ones with a role in the playoffs) were lights out on the whole the final months of the season. There should be little or no shock that the CLE lineup is hitting poorly this series if you realized that.


Here are the numbers again....



Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

 

[osubuckeye89]

Didn't you predict Cleveland in 4 and say the Yankees don't worry you? That would certainly lead me to believe you were surprised that this is 2-2 as you severely underestimated the Yankee lineup and pitching staff.

As I've shown already in this thread, the Yankee pitching (namely the ones with a role in the playoffs) were lights out on the whole the final months of the season. There should be little or no shock that the CLE lineup is hitting poorly this series if you realized that.

I predicted Cleveland in 4, yea. Am I suprised that they are crapping their pants though? Not at all. Look at their postseason history in the last 20 years and youll see why.

 

[The Q]

I'm not surprise it's 2-2, I expect this franchise to piss down their legs in the playoffs, theyve done it anytime theyve ever gotten there in my lifetime.

Cleveland's biggest chokes have been in game 7s. 97 and 2016. Jesus those were embarrassingly bad.

at least Buckner did his BS in game 6. (disclaimer, i was 1 years old when Buckner pulled that shit).

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If you were realistic, you would've realized/acknowledged that the Yankees were going to be a tough opponent with their pitching staff. Instead, you're all surprised that it's 2-2 whereas a realistic person could've seen that happening given how good the Yankees were the final few weeks.

Perhaps his fandom exists on some binary level. On: the Indians are the best fucking team on Earth, and are going to fuck everyone up. Off: the Indians suck goat balls and are lucky they took the season series from the Tigers.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Cleveland's biggest chokes have been in game 7s. 97 and 2016. Jesus those were embarrassingly bad.

at least Buckner did his BS in game 6. (disclaimer, i was 1 years old when Buckner pulled that shit).

It wasnt the world series but they had some shit fests against Boston as well.

The 99 ALDS Win the first 2 games then promptly get destroyed in the next 3

The 07 ALCS was the same pretty much, went up 3-1 and then didnt even get close in the next 3.

I'll consider this series a pretty monumental choke if they lose, considering the events that transpired in game 2 should have been soul crushing. Only the Indians could turn that kind of momentum into 3 straight losses.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Cleveland's biggest chokes have been in game 7s. 97 and 2016. Jesus those were embarrassingly bad.

at least Buckner did his BS in game 6. (disclaimer, i was 1 years old when Buckner pulled that shit).

Didnt they blow a 3-1 series lead to the Red Sox?

or do I have that wrong?

 

[StanMarsh51]

I predicted Cleveland in 4, yea. Am I suprised that they are crapping their pants though? Not at all. Look at their postseason history in the last 20 years and youll see why.

How often does great hitting crap their pants against great pitching? Pretty often, especially in the playoffs. I mean, Cleveland in last year's ALCS hit worse than they're hitting in this year's ALDS, and the Blue Jays last year don't have nearly as good a pitching staff as the Yankees do this year. This is nothing new with great lineups...



Again, here are the stats of the Yankee postseason pitchers to end the season, which on the whole are extraordinary...most of these pitchers have been making hitters look folish for a good part of the season.


Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

 

[navamind]

How often does great hitting crap their pants against great pitching? Pretty often, especially in the playoffs. I mean, Cleveland in last year's ALCS hit worse than they're hitting in this year's ALCS, and the Blue Jays last year don't have nearly as good a pitching staff as the Yankees do this year. This is nothing new with great lineups...



Again, here are the stats of the Yankee postseason pitchers to end the season, which on the whole are extraordinary:


Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

I didn't you know you could tell the future.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I didn't you know you could tell the future.

I hope I'm wrong on my future vision...

 

[navamind]

Didnt they blow a 3-1 series lead to the Red Sox?

or do I have that wrong?

yep. 2007.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Didn't you predict Cleveland in 4 and say the Yankees don't worry you? That would certainly lead me to believe you were surprised that this is 2-2 as you severely underestimated the Yankee lineup and pitching staff.

As I've shown already in this thread, the Yankee pitching (namely the ones with a role in the playoffs) were lights out on the whole the final months of the season. There should be little or no shock that the CLE lineup is hitting poorly this series if you realized that.


Here are the numbers again....



Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

God fucking Damnit, Stan. We get it. You're calling OSU a bad dog, and rubbing his nose in the shit he left in the dining room.

However, you're not addressing what I've brought up, which is that the Indians pitching was better over that time and hitters were as good as the Yankees.

Against the Yankees' staff, I would expect the Indians to fall short of their season stats (.263/.339/.449/.788), but fucking hell, .173/.275/.316/.590. One wouldn't expect it to drop off to that level, and, if they did, why wouldn't the same drop off be expected from the Yankees' bats when facing the best pitching staff in the majors?

I think the issue is for most of the last month (particularly the last two weeks), the Indians didn't see any quality pitching, and they're struggling to readjust to it.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Didnt they blow a 3-1 series lead to the Red Sox?

or do I have that wrong?

Right. 2007 ALCS.

MOTHERFUCKER! I was a pretty big Red Sox fan until that fall. Fuck those cocksuckers.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

yep. 2007.

Fuck you.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

Severno: 2.28 ERA, .181 BAA, 0.95 WHIP last 16 starts
Gray: 2.84 ERA, .201 BAA, 1.09 WHIP last 17 starts
CC: 2.91 ERA, .246 BAA, 1.19 WHIP last 8 starts
Tanaka: 3.54 ERA, .227 BAA, 1.05 WHIP last 16 starts

Robertson: 0.62 ERA, .113 BAA, 0.45 WHIP, 13.3 K/9 last 24 appearances
Chapman: 0.61 ERA, .102 BAA, 0.55 WHIP, 11.7 K/9 last 14 appearances
Green: 1.59 ERA, .145 BAA, 0.71 WHIP, 14.9 K/9 last 28 appearances
Kahnle: 0.68 ERA, .208 BAA, 1.20 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 15 appearances
Warren: 1.91 ERA, .179 BAA, 0.85 WHIP, 8.7 K/9 last 30 appearances
Betances: 2.59 ERA, .140 BAA, 1.05 WHIP, 13.5 K/9 last 34 appearances

I like you, Stan, but if you post these Yankees numbers one more time, I'm going to reach through your monitor and punch your dick right in the eye.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I hope I'm wrong on my future vision...

You're rooting against the Indians? Aren't you a Red Sox fan?

 

[StanMarsh51]

God fucking Damnit, Stan. We get it. You're calling OSU a bad dog, and rubbing his nose in the shit he left in the dining room.

However, you're not addressing what I've brought up, which is that the Indians pitching was better over that time and hitters were as good as the Yankees.

I'm not sure if they were all that different when you adjust for competition, at least (CLE did play a good amount of weak offenses down the stretch, especially considering 3 of the 6 worst AL offenses are in the Central) and when you look at specifically the playoff pitchers (I brought up guys like Jamie Garcia and Shreve and Montgomery who were mediocre/poor down the stretch and aren't factors in the playoffs for the Yankees, so they the Yankee Aug/Sept numbers).

 

[osubuckeye89]

@StanMarsh51 get's pretty obsessive when he gets on a subject. He pretty much misses the entire point though. The Indians are destined to gag no matter who they end up playing. As history proves.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I brought up guys like Jamie Garcia and Shreve and Montgomery who were mediocre/poor down the stretch and aren't factors in the playoffs for the Yankees, so they the Yankee Aug/Sept numbers

So, you want to ignore the numbers of the Yankees pitchers, but count the numbers from Indians Shawn Armstrong, Zach McAllister, and Nick Goody?