Albert Pujols tops list of MLB's biggest albatrosses

[SJ76]

In all fairness, he did say Pujols had an awful year 'for him.' It was the 2nd worst year of his career.

By MLB 1B standards, his 2015 was pretty mediocre (the average MLB 1B had a .260 AVG and .790 OPS).

LOL 2nd worse year, but he's older.. Playing hurt. No protection hitting behind him. He was certainly not great, b

Says the person who uses BA and HR to measure value

So you want me to ignore HR and RBIs?

Geeez dude. Go look at the revenue and maybe you will understand. Maybe you will finally understand that VALUE just isn't in the stats. Albert has helped Trout grow as a player tremendously. They've either been in the playoffs or dam close the years he's been there. And he needs a little helped in the line up behind him.

 

[Omar 382]

Come to think of it, Joe Mauer might be worse than Pujols, pound for pound, value wise.

Yeah, Mauer was on track to steal the title of "Greatest Player Named Joe M." from Joe Medick, but he's kind of fucked it up with his steep decline

 

[Omar 382]

LOL 2nd worse year, but he's older.. Playing hurt. No protection hitting behind him. He was certainly not great, b



So you want me to ignore HR and RBIs?

Geeez dude. Go look at the revenue and maybe you will understand. Maybe you will finally understand that VALUE just isn't in the stats. Albert has helped Trout grow as a player tremendously. They've either been in the playoffs or dam close the years he's been there. And he needs a little helped in the line up behind him.

Oh yeah, when I realize the numbers don't support me, I jump straight to the intangibles because they can't be measured and thus I can't definitively be proved wrong! Classic

 

[Omar 382]

LOL 2nd worse year, but he's older.. Playing hurt. No protection hitting behind him. He was certainly not great, b



So you want me to ignore HR and RBIs?

Geeez dude. Go look at the revenue and maybe you will understand. Maybe you will finally understand that VALUE just isn't in the stats. Albert has helped Trout grow as a player tremendously. They've either been in the playoffs or dam close the years he's been there. And he needs a little helped in the line up behind him.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[SJ76]

Do you have any quantitative data to support this? Seriously dude, STFU. You posted on another thread that you only watch baseball in September. Do you really think you can hold weight against people who follow and breathe baseball year-round?

LMAO that's great you breathe baseball - now go take an ACCOUNTING class and understand what revenue is and how the big boys can take bigger risks.

Quantitative data?? Yeah it's called watching the game and not the box score. I only can watch baseball religiously in September, but I watch the Angels every chance I get.

Nothing like playing with ratards these days..

 

[Omar 382]

LMAO that's great you breathe baseball - now go take an ACCOUNTING class and understand what revenue is and how the big boys can take bigger risks.

Quantitative data?? Yeah it's called watching the game and not the box score. I only can watch baseball religiously in September, but I watch the Angels every chance I get.

Nothing like playing with ratards these days..

Actually, I'm taking a macroeconomics course and a statistics course right now. I took microeconomics in the winter

 

[SJ76]

It's pretty easy to watch an Angels game and to see the pitches Trout gets and AP gets.

Isn't rocket science at all. Unless you are helmet special.

 

[Omar 382]

It's pretty easy to watch an Angels game and to see the pitches Trout gets and AP gets.

Isn't rocket science at all. Unless you are helmet special.

So where is that quantitative data again?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Trout actually saw fewer strikes in both typical RHH umpires and f/x zone tracking than Pujols by around 3 percentage points, iirc. Just from eyetesting it, there were quite a few who'd try to test Trout high after 2014, but he seems to have covered that pretty well to prevent a dip in his numbers.

 

[Omar 382]

Since you know so much about the numbers and accounting and shit

 

[SJ76]

Actually, I'm taking a macroeconomics course and a statistics course right now. I took microeconomics in the winter

STAT GEEK!! LMFAO Exactly.


Now go try to understand revenue and how when u make a lot more of it than most of your competition, you can take more risks.




Game over son. Go study

 

[SJ76]

Trout actually saw fewer strikes in both typical RHH umpires and f/x zone tracking than Pujols by around 3 percentage points, iirc.

 

[Omar 382]

Trout actually saw fewer strikes in both typical RHH umpires and f/x zone tracking than Pujols by around 3 percentage points, iirc. Just from eyetesting it, there were quite a few who'd try to test Trout high after 2014, but he seems to have covered that pretty well to prevent a dip in his numbers.

SJ MAD. SJ GIVE BULLSHIT RATING

 

[Omar 382]

STAT GEEK!! LMFAO Exactly.


Now go try to understand revenue and how when make a lot more of it that most of your competition, you can take more risks.




Game over son. Go study

Go learn about scarcity and opportunity costs, jerk-off

 

[SJ76]

Actually, I'm taking a macroeconomics course and a statistics course right now. I took microeconomics in the winter

 

[Omar 382]

Trout actually saw fewer strikes in both typical RHH umpires and f/x zone tracking than Pujols by around 3 percentage points, iirc. Just from eyetesting it, there were quite a few who'd try to test Trout high after 2014, but he seems to have covered that pretty well to prevent a dip in his numbers.

The high fastball was basically the only weakness in Trout's game. Now he's basically a demigod

 

[StanMarsh51]

LOL 2nd worse year, but he's older.. Playing hurt. No protection hitting behind him. He was certainly not great, b



So you want me to ignore HR and RBIs?

Geeez dude. Go look at the revenue and maybe you will understand. Maybe you will finally understand that VALUE just isn't in the stats. Albert has helped Trout grow as a player tremendously. They've either been in the playoffs or dam close the years he's been there. And he needs a little helped in the line up behind him.

The obvious problem with home runs is that they're less than 10% (around 5-7% on the higher end) of the average player's plate appearances. Sure, they're the single best outcome in a plate appearance, but it happens such a small percentage of the time to place that much emphasis on.

Regarding RBIs, Pujols didn't hit well with runners on nor RISP. He had the 7th most runners on base for his plate appearances in the majors in 2015, which certainly has a pretty big effect on his RBI chances. So if we're going to give him a break for lack of quality hitting behind him, shouldn't we also look at the quality of hitting in front of him?


Like I said, he was pretty average by MLB 1B standards last year, 40 HR or not.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Maybe I am just illiterate and confusing the data, but this is what I saw when I just now looked it up to see if there was a notable difference. This doesn't answer what quality of said strikes are, but it's worth a look.

Perhaps I was thinking of a different Angel (maybe Calhoun?) but of course I am not perfect so here goes

Trout Zone%:

45.2

F/x: 48.4

Pujols Zone%

45.1% (so virtually identical in terms of proportion with real life zones)

46.8 f/x

 

[Omar 382]

[QUOTE="SJ76, post: 8053803, member: 4370"]LOL 2nd worse year, but he's older.. Playing hurt. No protection hitting behind him. He was certainly not great, b



So you want me to ignore HR and RBIs?

Geeez dude. Go look at the revenue and maybe you will understand. Maybe you will finally understand that VALUE just isn't in the stats. Albert has helped Trout grow as a player tremendously. They've either been in the playoffs or dam close the years he's been there. And he needs a little helped in the line up behind him.[/QUOTE]

This line made me laugh. We're discussing why Pujols' contract is bad, then you defend his contract by saying he was hurt and is aging.

Basically the equivalent of being diagnosed with lung cancer and telling your doctor, "Hey, that's not fair! I only have lung cancer because I smoked 2 packs of Newports a day with the filters torn off for the last 40 years!"

 

[Fountain City Blues]

The high fastball was basically the only weakness in Trout's game. Now he's basically a demigod

I'm kind of curious what that is if you break it down even further into the 95+ category.