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Albert Pujols tops list of MLB's biggest albatrosses

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I'm kind of curious what that is if you break it down even further into the 95+ category.
Yeah, me too. I hate Trout but man he is a hell of a player. I can't until I'm 80 and I can be like 80 year olds are today with Mickey Mantle (Damn millennials and their superstars. They'll never compare to the great Mick!!!")
 

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The obvious problem with home runs is that they're less than 10% (around 5-7% on the higher end) of the average player's plate appearances. Sure, they're the single best outcome in a plate appearance, but it happens such a small percentage of the time to place that much emphasis on.

Regarding RBIs, Pujols didn't hit well with runners on nor RISP. He had the 7th most runners on base for his plate appearances in the majors in 2015, which certainly has a pretty big effect on his RBI chances. So if we're going to give him a break for lack of quality hitting behind him, shouldn't we also look at the quality of hitting in front of him?


Like I said, he was pretty average by MLB 1B standards last year, 40 HR or not.


I'm not saying he was good. I'm just saying you can't throw out HRs and RBIs :L Definitely not Albert's best year, but with the issues the Angels and him have had.. It's was not awful either. Was he happy with it? I doubt it.. He's a competitor. But he does a lot of things not on a stat sheet for that team, including a young guy like Trout.

When Albert came into the league. Mark McGwire and some other vets were in STL. It molded him into a better hitter/player, but the thing about AP is his work ethic. You would have to carry #5 off the field to make him sit. He's played a lot of games the past 13-14 years. And a lot of those games he had nagging injuries.

But for a team like the Angels making that much money? Average salary of $25 million is well worth his presence and leadership even with average stats. What some others on here can't understand is that the Angels will have a lot more money to spend even with his contract.

That $25 million contract on Minnesota is totally different and a game changer.
 

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My gut says that Stanton's contract is going to go down as one of the worst of all time.

Yes, he's an awesome talent, but just one year into a 13-year, $325MM contract, he's already missed over half of his teams' games during the contract. Could that be a harbinger of what's to come? If I were a Marlins fan, I would be very concerned about that contract for a 25-year old power hitter who has already missed significant playing time to leg and hand issues.
 

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But he does a lot of things not on a stat sheet for that team, including a young guy like Trout.

You're suggesting that Albert Pujols "does" Mike Trout? In the biblical sense?
 

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My gut says that Stanton's contract is going to go down as one of the worst of all time.

Yes, he's an awesome talent, but just one year into a 13-year, $325MM contract, he's already missed over half of his teams' games during the contract. Could that be a harbinger of what's to come? If I were a Marlins fan, I would be very concerned about that contract for a 25-year old power hitter who has already missed significant playing time to leg and hand issues.
Kind of makes you wonder what Stanton could fetch in a trade scenario.
 

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Kind of makes you wonder what Stanton could fetch in a trade scenario.

I had him on my keeper fantasy team and was concerned about his legs prior to last season. Then his hand just fucking broke for no reason other than the force it was responsible for transferring to the bat. Why that isn't talked about as a major red flag is beyond me.

Some are claiming he's a top-10 fantasy pick for 2016, so I traded him off - as good as he is, I didn't want to be holding the bag should he add to his already decorated injury history.
 

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I'm not saying he was good. I'm just saying you can't throw out HRs and RBIs :L Definitely not Albert's best year, but with the issues the Angels and him have had.. It's was not awful either. Was he happy with it? I doubt it.. He's a competitor. But he does a lot of things not on a stat sheet for that team, including a young guy like Trout.

When Albert came into the league. Mark McGwire and some other vets were in STL. It molded him into a better hitter/player, but the thing about AP is his work ethic. You would have to carry #5 off the field to make him sit. He's played a lot of games the past 13-14 years. And a lot of those games he had nagging injuries.

But for a team like the Angels making that much money? Average salary of $25 million is well worth his presence and leadership even with average stats. What some others on here can't understand is that the Angels will have a lot more money to spend even with his contract.

That $25 million contract on Minnesota is totally different and a game changer.
You act like the Angels have an infinite amount of money to spend on players. That 165 million could be put to much better use, as could Hamilton and Wilson's money owed.
 

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You act like the Angels have an infinite amount of money to spend on players. That 165 million could be put to much better use, as could Hamilton and Wilson's money owed.

Why any team would pay that crackhead more than league minimum is fucking beyond me.
 

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I had him on my keeper fantasy team and was concerned about his legs prior to last season. Then his hand just fucking broke for no reason other than the force it was responsible for transferring to the bat. Why that isn't talked about as a major red flag is beyond me.

Some are claiming he's a top-10 fantasy pick for 2016, so I traded him off - as good as he is, I didn't want to be holding the bag should he add to his already decorated injury history.
Funny story about my draft. I had the fourth pick, which according to ESPN, would net me Bryce Harper as the highest player possible. Now I'm not too big on Harper repeating his monster 2015 stats, so I was going to slide all the way down to Stanton, who was projected as the eighth pick, and take him with the fourth. This was all assuming Trout, Goldy, and Kershaw would be off the boards in the first three picks. Lo and behold, this guy in my draft named Cedrique took Stanton with the third pick, so I got Goldschmidt:D
 

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Funny story about my draft. I had the fourth pick, which according to ESPN, would net me Bryce Harper as the highest player possible. Now I'm not too big on Harper repeating his monster 2015 stats, so I was going to slide all the way down to Stanton, who was projected as the eighth pick, and take him with the fourth. This was all assuming Trout, Goldy, and Kershaw would be off the boards in the first three picks. Lo and behold, this guy in my draft named Cedrique took Stanton with the third pick, so I got Goldschmidt:D

People see/read or hear about Stanton's epic power and moonshots and can't help themselves but to dream on the what ifs. I'm not predicting that he'll break again in 2016, but given his history, it certainly wouldn't surprise me, and I would not take Stanton in the first round.

It's insane to me that someone would take Stanton over Goldschmidt. I mean, I guess I could see it a little more for a one-year league, but still, I prefer consistency.

I think Harper is for real. He might not exactly match 2015's numbers, but I think he'll be an elite player going forward. Measured by OPS+, Harper's 2015 season was better than any season from Miguel Cabrera, Manny Ramirez, or Albert Pujols. He was 22 years old.
 

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Am I the only one who has faith Ian Kennedy's HR/FB% normalizes and is a useful starter while the Royals window with the current core is still open?

That's one reason why I'd gamble on a guy like him over Nolasco. Gotta pay him 21 mil more over 1 more season. But it's still just 14 mil compared to just over 12 mil annually.

If he could give a couple decent years it would top dipshit pitching with the Twins.
 

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That's one reason why I'd gamble on a guy like him over Nolasco. Gotta pay him 21 mil more over 1 more season. But it's still just 14 mil compared to just over 12 mil annually.

If he could give a couple decent years it would top dipshit pitching with the Twins.
Well it depends on the team. To the Royals, the Kennedy signing is questionable but almost comprehendible. If the Phillies, Braves, or Twins signed him, it would make no fucking sense
 

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Come to think of it, Joe Mauer might be worse than Pujols, pound for pound, value wise.

Mentioned this a few times.

But even with his shitty contract we still went out and overpaid for pitchers. Mauers doesn't bug me because we had to do it. It sucks ass he couldn't be 09 Joe throughout his prime. But no regrets on it
 

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Well it depends on the team. To the Royals, the Kennedy signing is questionable but almost comprehendible. If the Phillies, Braves, or Twins signed him, it would make no fucking sense

Yeah that's true as well. My thinking was Royals in this scenario especially with that bullpen being able to allow the guy to only have to go 6 max each time.

If he went to the Twins he'd suck forsure. Hughes was probably the only good signing we've had....then we went and gave him more money :L
 

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Mentioned this a few times.

But even with his shitty contract we still went out and overpaid for pitchers. Mauers doesn't bug me because we had to do it. It sucks ass he couldn't be 09 Joe throughout his prime. But no regrets on it
No regrets? So you'd do again? Also, you sound a little too surprised that an aging players who caught the majority of his career is going to decline, especially in your new ballpark.
 

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Yeah that's true as well. My thinking was Royals in this scenario especially with that bullpen being able to allow the guy to only have to go 6 max each time.

If he went to the Twins he'd suck forsure. Hughes was probably the only good signing we've had....then we went and gave him more money :L
It's OK. I had to sit through four fucking seasons and the Phillies FO fucking everything up
 

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No regrets? So you'd do again? Also, you sound a little too surprised that an aging players who caught the majority of his career is going to decline, especially in your new ballpark.

No obviously I would wipe it off the books if a magic genie gave me that wish. I'm just saying it had to be done at that moment. I wanted it, Twins fans wanted it and the guy was a stud. We knew the new park wouldn't help his homers but most thought he could hit well otherwise. He gave 1 batting title a run in this span and his average was only .324 I believe.

I blame the FO for trying to be a place to ressurect bad careers for pitchers. Sidney Ponson will live in infamy(at least we didn't pay this guy shit).
 

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It's OK. I had to sit through four fucking seasons and the Phillies FO fucking everything up

You've got a ring to sit back on.

Hard to fallback on 91' when its been 25 years.
 

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It's OK. I had to sit through four fucking seasons and the Phillies FO fucking everything up

That Ryan Howard deal was such a fucking head scratcher for me, and that's not with the benefit of hindsight. The day it was signed I said that Amaro Jr should have been shit-canned immediately.
 
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