AL Central Discussion

[WiggyRuss]

.194 slugging is STraw territory

 

[mr.hockey4242]

LOL....uh can you read the post?

in case you did not read it - let me quote it again----

"Ill bet from this day till the end of the season Gimenez has a better*****WAR**** than Julien."

and then you suggested Polanco because you thought Julien was so much better than Gimenez it was not even worth mentioning. lol.

well apparently not.

The entire converstaion was Polanoco. You got absolutely body bagged on your usual logic of Gimenez having ONE YEAR with no support to back it up and Polanco having a decade long career.

Then you panicked and pivoted.

Again, is there something mentally wrong with you. Just answer. We all want to know. Even fightinfunbags comment went completely over your head.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

.194 slugging is STraw territory

DFA Ramirez.

Slugging .219 in August. Getting in fights.

Christian Vazquez slugs better than that.

 

[fightinfunbags]

what do you think the Phils record would be if none of their starters in their rotation on opening day were currently not pitching? oh and hteir payroll was 150 million less.

that- and their hitting has been atrocious- Bell and Zunino were bad signings. Gimenez and Kwan regressed too.

Naylor is really the only over acheiver in the lineup

I would never tolerate the 5th largest sports market in America having ownership that wasn’t financially committed to the club. I don’t live in your Little Engine That Could World. You’re like Charlie Brown thinking that this is the time Lucy isn’t going to pull the football away right before you kick it. You know how this goes. You follow all these prospects and when they actually work out, the Guardians trade them away for more prospects who when they work out get traded away. Rinse and repeat. I don’t know how you tolerate that. Back in the late 80s Phillies managing partner Bill Giles made the comment that the Phillies were a small market club angling for a new stadium to be built. He was ridiculed for that remark and attendance went to shit. We don’t tolerate that shit in a real sports city.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The entire converstaion was Polanoco. You got absolutely body bagged on your usual logic of Gimenez having ONE YEAR with no support to back it up and Polanco having a decade long career.

Then you panicked and pivoted.

Again, is there something mentally wrong with you. Just answer. We all want to know. Even fightinfunbags comment went completely over your head.

yah in almost a decade long career Polanco has never had a year where he could touch Gimenez's in his 2nd year----- Let alone be top 6 in the MVP voting like Gimenez.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I would never tolerate the 5th largest sports market in America having ownership that wasn’t financially committed to the club. I don’t live in your Little Engine That Could World. You’re like Charlie Brown thinking that this is the time Lucy isn’t going to pull the football away right before you kick it. You know how this goes. You follow all these prospects and when they actually work out, the Guardians trade them away for more prospects who when they work out get traded away. Rinse and repeat. I don’t know how you tolerate that. Back in the late 80s Phillies managing partner Bill Giles made the comment that the Phillies were a small market club angling for a new stadium to be built. He was ridiculed for that remark and attendance went to shit. We don’t tolerate that shit in a real sports city.

yah as far as the payroll stuff goes its kind of a double edged sword

Sherman just bought a minority share a year or two ago- and he will likely one day become the majority owner.

the Dolans are cheap- but they have had some pretty solid success all considering. I am not sure if its still true- Astros might have taken them over- but I read last year that since Francona took over about a decade ago the only team in the AL with a better record than the Guardians is the Yankees. They have good management but their hands are obviously tied payroll wise.

would the grass be greener if Sherman took over and spent a lot more? I dont know.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

yah in almost a decade long career Polanco has never had a year where he could touch Gimenez's in his 2nd year----- Let alone be top 6 in the MVP voting like Gimenez.

Correct.

Justin Morneau never had an individual season like Brady Anderson. 100/100 people would take Morneaus career over Anderson.

Shit, Jose Ramirez hasnt won an MVP like Justin Morneau. Whose better??

You have got to stop being so simple minded. Its a bad look

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Where Do the Twins Fit All of the Youth

After injuring his oblique during the middle of the summer, Royce Lewis is back for the Twins on Tuesday night. He played four rehab games with the St. Paul Saints, and his time there was spent at third base. He went 5-for-12 with a pair of home runs and certainly looks ready to go. Rocco Baldell...

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Great article about the Twins future.

Going to have loads to spend on starters in the offseason if they need to replace Gray and Maeda.

3B/2B/1B and at least 1 OF spot will be guys playing for pennies. And if Kepler is kept his option 10 mil which is a great price if he is the same as this year. And a total steal if hes second half Kepler for all of next year.

 

[PnkPanther]

The entire converstaion was Polanoco. You got absolutely body bagged on your usual logic of Gimenez having ONE YEAR with no support to back it up and Polanco having a decade long career.

Then you panicked and pivoted.

Again, is there something mentally wrong with you. Just answer. We all want to know. Even fightinfunbags comment went completely over your head.

you two should just screw and get it over with

 

[WiggyRuss]

Correct.

Justin Morneau never had an individual season like Brady Anderson. 100/100 people would take Morneaus career over Anderson.

Shit, Jose Ramirez hasnt won an MVP like Justin Morneau. Whose better??

You have got to stop being so simple minded. Its a bad look

Justin Morneau won the fucking AL MVP.


also- sure you can compare guys when they retire- but how are you going to say Polanco is better when he is a journeyman vet and Gimenez is 24 with a top 6 MVP finish, a gold glove, and an al lstar appearance on his resume?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Last year was Gimenez' first full yeaer in the big leagues.

In 1 and 2/3 year he has a WAR of 11. In just his age 23, and part of his age 24 season.

Polanco really broke in- kind of 2016- but first full year was 2017. a little less than 15 WAR in 7 seasons. Gimenez is going to absolutely fucking CRUSH that.


plus- kind of dirty- only had 400+ at bats 3 times in his career? he either is hurt a lot, or not very good or both.

It is almost cheating for Gimenez on the WAR side with his defense. He would be an above average SS- at 2B he is a monster defensively. He should win another gold glove.

I am interested if he stays at 2B- or if they move him to SS now that Rosario is gone. Appears they are gonna keep him there and give Rocchio and Freeman and ARias shots there.....but who knows long term. Pretty solid contract for Giemenz long term.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Justin Morneau won the fucking AL MVP.


also- sure you can compare guys when they retire- but how are you going to say Polanco is better when he is a journeyman vet and Gimenez is 24 with a top 6 MVP finish, a gold glove, and an al lstar appearance on his resume?

Because he did it one year and then immediately regressed??

What dont you get about that?

And I didnt say that Polanco was better. You like you always do moronically wrote off the fact that Polanco has been VERY consistent for a decade. Routinely putting up well above average OPS+

Learn baseball and learn how to read. It continues to be embarrassing

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Last year was Gimenez' first full yeaer in the big leagues.

In 1 and 2/3 year he has a WAR of 11. In just his age 23, and part of his age 24 season.

Polanco really broke in- kind of 2016- but first full year was 2017. a little less than 15 WAR in 7 seasons. Gimenez is going to absolutely fucking CRUSH that.


plus- kind of dirty- only had 400+ at bats 3 times in his career? he either is hurt a lot, or not very good or both.

It is almost cheating for Gimenez on the WAR side with his defense. He would be an above average SS- at 2B he is a monster defensively. He should win another gold glove.

I am interested if he stays at 2B- or if they move him to SS now that Rosario is gone. Appears they are gonna keep him there and give Rocchio and Freeman and ARias shots there.....but who knows long term. Pretty solid contract for Giemenz long term.

Thats rich considering Gimenez only good season didnt reach 500 ABs haha

Youre all over the place. Cant even keep your own thoughts straight.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Justin Morneau won the fucking AL MVP.


also- sure you can compare guys when they retire- but how are you going to say Polanco is better when he is a journeyman vet and Gimenez is 24 with a top 6 MVP finish, a gold glove, and an al lstar appearance on his resume?

Yes, so Morneau>JRam.

Wiggy logic.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Thats rich considering Gimenez only good season didnt reach 500 ABs haha

Youre all over the place. Cant even keep your own thoughts straight.

in his first full year he had more at bats then Polanco in any but 2 years in his entire career. Polanco himself has only broken 500 at bats twice and did not do so until 6 years after he made his major league debut.

definitely been a lost season for him this year. Last year was pretty mediocre- but ends up being his 3rd highest WAR season in his career.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yes, so Morneau>JRam.

Wiggy logic.

if a guy has played 2 full seasons, and one of those seasons he was legitmiately in the MVPr race....

and one guy has played 7 full seasons and made his debut a decade a go but has never been an all star, never done anything very remarkable....mediocre glove....def. some pop for the position, mediocre OBP......basically a journeyman.

I think its very fair to say who one would rather have.

are you really trying to make the argument you think Jorge Polanco is a better player than Andres Gimenez? That seems kinda bat shit crazy.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

in his first full year he had more at bats then Polanco in any but 2 years in his entire career. Polanco himself has only broken 500 at bats twice and did not do so until 6 years after he made his major league debut.

definitely been a lost season for him this year. Last year was pretty mediocre- but ends up being his 3rd highest WAR season in his career.

Polanco had an OPS+ of 115 last year.

Gimenez should head back to AA if that was medicore.

Since 2018 Polanco has been remarkably consistent. That is the point that your flip flopping ass cant grasp. You still have no landed on a consistent argument.

Tell me, what matters 1 year? Careers? Consistent stretches? You shift the goal posts for every player regardings your shitty ass 57-62 baseball team

 

[mr.hockey4242]

if a guy has played 2 full seasons, and one of those seasons he was legitmiately in the MVPr race....

and one guy has played 7 full seasons and made his debut a decade a go but has never been an all star, never done anything very remarkable....mediocre glove....def. some pop for the position, mediocre OBP......basically a journeyman.

I think its very fair to say who one would rather have.

are you really trying to make the argument you think Jorge Polanco is a better player than Andres Gimenez? That seems kinda bat shit crazy.

You are legitamately retarded holy shit

 

[WiggyRuss]

Polanco had an OPS+ of 115 last year.

Gimenez should head back to AA if that was medicore.

Since 2018 Polanco has been remarkably consistent. That is the point that your flip flopping ass cant grasp. You still have no landed on a consistent argument.

Tell me, what matters 1 year? Careers? Consistent stretches? You shift the goal posts for every player regardings your shitty ass 57-62 baseball team

all of it matters. It is obviously a multi-varied analysis where you take a lot of things into account- consistency, ceiling, best season, injury, glove, etc.....all of that together...I cant imagine 1 team in the majors would take Polanco over Gimenez.

the highest Polanco's OPS + has ever been in his entire career is 125......Gimenez was 141 last year. And obviously that does not take into account the glove- which Gimenez is obviously far superior.

the fact is- we dont have a very long track record with Gimenez- he was a pretty highly regarded prospect- was dealt for an All Star- started slow and then had an incredible season at the age of 23 where he was 6th in the AL in MVP (1 pt. shy of breaking that top 5! damn!). He had a terrible first half this year and has been getting hot recently.

Polanco has a pretty long track record of - when he is healthy and on hte field, having some pop, a mediocre OBP and a mediocre glove. Classic journeyman.

A journeyman has value- but nowhere near the talent of Gimenez who has already proven that he can do things that Polanco has never done in his 10 year career and will never do.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

all of it matters. It is obviously a multi-varied analysis where you take a lot of things into account- consistency, ceiling, best season, injury, glove, etc.....all of that together...I cant imagine 1 team in the majors would take Polanco over Gimenez.

the highest Polanco's OPS + has ever been in his entire career is 125......Gimenez was 141 last year. And obviously that does not take into account the glove- which Gimenez is obviously far superior.

the fact is- we dont have a very long track record with Gimenez- he was a pretty highly regarded prospect- was dealt for an All Star- started slow and then had an incredible season at the age of 23 where he was 6th in the AL in MVP (1 pt. shy of breaking that top 5! damn!). He had a terrible first half this year and has been getting hot recently.

Polanco has a pretty long track record of - when he is healthy and on hte field, having some pop, a mediocre OBP and a mediocre glove. Classic journeyman.

A journeyman has value- but nowhere near the talent of Gimenez who has already proven that he can do things that Polanco has never done in his 10 year career and will never do.

You really are so beyond detached from reality its incredible