2024 Season Thread

[MrS]

I get it. I just don't see the point of arguing about Geno. I've said the same thing over and over. I'm fine with moving on from Geno. But only if we are going to have someone that we can reasonably expect to reach his level of performance.

Bringing someone who has never reached that level and hoping that they will in Seattle is just wishful thinking.




I don't have access. That page has him at 13. Not that PFF is gospel but the larger football community has a much higher view of Geno than a lot of Seahawk fans.

They have to move on from geno eventually, so unless you believe geno can win a superbowl within the next two years you move on now.
Can sam Howell win a superbowl? Probably not but i know enough about geno to say he will never win a superbowl.
Im 99% sure one year of Howell will get us a lot closer to getting a franchise QB than another three with geno

 

[flyerhawk]

We gave up a 3rd and a 5th rounder. 3rd rounders should be contributing almost immediately. JS wasted that unless he starts next season.

We gave up a 3rd and 5th and got back a 4th and 6th. We drafted AJ Barner and Satoa Laumea with those picks.

 

[flyerhawk]

They have to move on from geno eventually, so unless you believe geno can win a superbowl within the next two years you move on now.
Can sam Howell win a superbowl? Probably not but i know enough about geno to say he will never win a superbowl.
Im 99% sure one year of Howell will get us a lot closer to getting a franchise QB than another three with geno

Of course they need to move on from Geno. And they should be looking for his replacement. Howell did not look like he could be the replacement.

A lot will depend on who the new OC. They may want a different QB or may want to stick with Geno. That could potentially change things.

Looks like McCarthy is not going to be an option given how Darnold played last night. We got a pretty good glimpse of what he looks like when under heavy pressure.

 

[Anointed One]

Could you imagine if people were calling for McVay's head when they went 11-5 his first year, 13-3 in his 2nd and then dropped to 9-7? How bout when he went 10-6, 12-5 and then 5-12 three years ago? Now they beat a 14-3 team in the 1st round of the postseason while winning 10 out of 12 games...

 

[MrS]

Could you imagine if people were calling for McVay's head when they went 11-5 his first year, 13-3 in his 2nd and then dropped to 9-7? How bout when he went 10-6, 12-5 and then 5-12 three years ago? Now they beat a 14-3 team in the 1st round of the postseason while winning 10 out of 12 games...

Who is calling for MacDonald's head?

 

[JMR]

Oh I agree with you. I just don't see how getting a 4th rounder for DK helps us get better on the OL.

In isolation, maybe the 4th rounder itself doesn't help us get better much on the OL, but that pile of cap space we aren't using on DK might.

 

[flyerhawk]

In isolation, maybe the 4th rounder itself doesn't help us get better much on the OL, but that pile of cap space we aren't using on DK might.

The 21 million in dead money won't help.

 

[JMR]

Seahawks will have to resign either Lockett or DK, it would be STUPID to ditch both of them.

What do you mean by ditch? Cut? Trade? Just not have them on the team by any means? Are you really telling me it would be a bad move if we were able to trade DK for a 2nd round pick and recoup $17M of cap by cutting Lockett? I hope no one here thinks DK is going to give Seattle some home town discount, and Tyler Lockett is an overpaid WR3 at this point in his career.

 

[JMR]

The 21 million in dead money won't help.

There's an $11M wedge that is the difference -- on current contract terms -- between keeping DK for 2025 and releasing him. The dead cap is baked in.

What do you think it would cost to re-sign him this off-season? Unless you see a world where we just let him play out the $32M final year?

 

[flyerhawk]

What do you mean by ditch? Cut? Trade? Just not have them on the team by any means? Are you really telling me it would be a bad move if we were able to trade DK for a 2nd round pick and recoup $17M of cap by cutting Lockett? I hope no one here thinks DK is going to give Seattle some home town discount, and Tyler Lockett is an overpaid WR3 at this point in his career.

Getting rid of both TL and DK would result in $35 million in dead money and leave our receiver corps as JSN, Bob, and some fringe players.

From a cap perspective, the best option is probably to move on from TL, or restructure and keep DK until his contract expires at the end of next season. The problem is that we will likely need to cut TL before we know what trade value DK actually has. I would be shocked if we could get a 2nd for him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

There's an $11M wedge that is the difference -- on current contract terms -- between keeping DK for 2025 and releasing him. The dead cap is baked in.

What do you think it would cost to re-sign him this off-season? Unless you see a world where we just let him play out the $32M final year?

Metcalf reworking his contract to lower his cap hit in 2025 on an extension is on the list of possible outcomes.

 

[flyerhawk]

There's an $11M wedge that is the difference -- on current contract terms -- between keeping DK for 2025 and releasing him. The dead cap is baked in.

What do you think it would cost to re-sign him this off-season? Unless you see a world where we just let him play out the $32M final year?

Yes it is baked in. But if you get rid of DK you have to then bring in another player. Do you think there is any chance that we could a player close to DK's production for that 11 million in savings?

 

[JMR]

Metcalf reworking his contract to lower his cap hit in 2025 on an extension is on the list of possible outcomes.

Yeah, sorta.... you don't really "re-work" a contract during the final year. You gotta extend him with another multi-year deal, and DK is gonna get paid.

 

[JMR]

Yes it is baked in. But if you get rid of DK you have to then bring in another player. Do you think there is any chance that we could a player close to DK's production for that 11 million in savings?

For 2025? No, likely not. It's not just about 2025 though. You move DK now so you can avoid that next big payday he's going to get and set yourself up to have more resources available to use on areas of the team more critical to success than WR.

There's all sorts of ways to make up for some of what you lose on the field with DK. Throw to the TEs more. Barner looks promising. Fant is a decent weapon when healthy and involved in the gameplan. Young WRs are also making an impact more so than when it seemed like they took 2 or 3 or more years to develop, so it's no far fetched we could draft someone in the middle rounds that could produce what TL did this year, while JSN is already out-producing DK. Maybe we throw to RBs more. Charbs has skills there.

Paying DK again will be a mistake, and letting him play out the final year as a looming FA is a potential Hard Knocks drama series waiting to happen.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yeah, sorta.... you don't really "re-work" a contract during the final year. You gotta extend him with another multi-year deal, and DK is gonna get paid.

An extension that saves 11 million in cap space or more in 2025 I feel is a reasonable possibility. Not against having exploring his trade value and if the return is good enough then trade him, but good enough is a second at least IMO. If no team is interested enough then work on lowering his cap hit in 2025. No need to give him away specially with only a savings of 11 million on the cap.

 

[flyerhawk]

For 2025? No, likely not. It's not just about 2025 though. You move DK now so you can avoid that next big payday he's going to get and set yourself up to have more resources available to use on areas of the team more critical to success than WR.

There's all sorts of ways to make up for some of what you lose on the field with DK. Throw to the TEs more. Barner looks promising. Fant is a decent weapon when healthy and involved in the gameplan. Young WRs are also making an impact more so than when it seemed like they took 2 or 3 or more years to develop, so it's no far fetched we could draft someone in the middle rounds that could produce what TL did this year, while JSN is already out-producing DK. Maybe we throw to RBs more. Charbs has skills there.

Paying DK again will be a mistake, and letting him play out the final year as a looming FA is a potential Hard Knocks drama series waiting to happen.

I don't think they should resign DK. But I think you are downplaying the impact he has on the field. No one else on the team presents any sort of deep threat capability. Defenses will really pack the box without that.

 

[flyerhawk]

An extension that saves 11 million in cap space or more in 2025 I feel is a reasonable possibility. Not against having exploring his trade value and if the return is good enough then trade him, but good enough is a second at least IMO. If no team is interested enough then work on lowering his cap hit in 2025. No need to give him away specially with only a savings of 11 million on the cap.

The problem is that DK's contract already has 3 void years.

 

[JMR]

An extension that saves 11 million in cap space or more in 2025 I feel is a reasonable possibility. Not against having exploring his trade value and if the return is good enough then trade him, but good enough is a second at least IMO. If no team is interested enough then work on lowering his cap hit in 2025. No need to give him away specially with only a savings of 11 million on the cap.

I don't think they should resign DK. But I think you are downplaying the impact he has on the field. No one else on the team presents any sort of deep threat capability. Defenses will really pack the box without that.

I am at odds about what would be the worse idea between paying DK market value on a new deal (he's not staying at a discount) or letting him play out the final year of this one at $32M. I guess we'll see how it goes.

 

[flyerhawk]

I am at odds about what would be the worse idea between paying DK market value on a new deal (he's not staying at a discount) or letting him play out the final year of this one at $32M. I guess we'll see how it goes.

I'm not sure what the real downside is for letting him play out his contract.

 

[JMR]

I'm not sure what the real downside is for letting him play out his contract.

Wow, ok. Huge price tag for one. Lame duck season with looming free agency can be a distraction. Not getting an extension before the final year can be cause for drama, particularly for WRs. I would probably feel differently if DK was a perennial 1200+ YD, 10+ TD guy, but he's done that 1 time in 6 tries so far. He's as physically gifted as they come, but the numbers don't match up with the $ he's going to want. I am not sure why you can't see this, and I'm equally puzzled why you're just ok with him playing out the final year at a huge price.