2024 Season Thread

[MrS]

Mccarthy let go by cowboys, if he doesnt get another HC opportunity he should be an OC candidate.

 

[Anointed One]

Mccarthy let go by cowboys, if he doesnt get another HC opportunity he should be an OC candidate.

Wow... Thought Jerry had said he would be safe... I wonder if McCarthy is the one that pushed for this to happen...

 

[MrS]

Wow... Thought Jerry had said he would be safe... I wonder if McCarthy is the one that pushed for this to happen...

If he thinks he can get a HC gig somewhere its the right move for him. Its a shitshow of a franchise that wont win until jerry dies

 

[Anointed One]

If he thinks he can get a HC gig somewhere its the right move for him. Its a shitshow of a franchise that wont win until jerry dies

Yeah, that's why I think he asked for his release too be honest... Lots of new opportunities out there for him... Doubt he would settle for a OC gig somewhere though...

 

[flyerhawk]

I've made my position known, but to reiterate: I don't wanna trade him because I'm down on DK or because I think he doesn't have considerable talent because it's plain as day he does.

But here are our options with him as he goes into the final year of his deal:

1. Let him play it out. Cap hit is a couple finger-guns fines shy of $32M, then he's a UFA after the season, and he'll be gone in free agency with only a 2027 comp pick coming back our way.
2. Extend. I can't imagine the cost of what this would be, and it's going to tie up resources that we need to use on more critical areas of the team. JSN has surpassed him on the WR depth chart anyway in terms of targets/catches.
3. Trade. Get whatever you can, avoid the big paydays associated with both options above, use the trade compensation to help right-size where we have invested resources on this roster.

To me, it's a clear and easy choice. Even if all we could get for DK is a 4th rounder, I would do it. He was the very last pick of the 2nd round in 2019 and has been productive for all 6 seasons in the league. That is a great ROI all by itself, not to mention whatever you could get coming back in a trade.

If we trade DK we take on 21 million dollars in dead money. We then have a pretty huge hole at WR. Tyler is likely not on the team next year and even if he is, he's pretty closed to cooked. So our WR corp going into 2025 would be JSN, Jake Bobo and who knows.

if we have him play out his contract and he walks we would get compensatory pick. That would be around a 4th rounder. No dead money.

Generally speaking I HATE when we take on more dead money than cap savings when we move a player.

This is exactly it. On top of that, look at the mistakes the QBs were making. They were largely due to playing from behind (desperation mode) or constant pressure. Help Geno in those areas, and I think who we have at WR matters a bit less. In the 2014 season, we had a good offense and went to the SB with our top 4 WRs all being UDFAs. The D is getting better under Macdonald. Beef up the OL and support Geno with a run game, and everything starts to fall into place. We don't need a $40M/yr WR to make the playoffs and/or become contenders. To the contrary, spending that much $ on WR will make it more difficult to get the parts of the team right that are presently holding us back.

Trade DK for whatever we can get.

Beefing up the OL is certainly the No. 1 priority but dismissing the importance of having top flight WRs isn't right. Sure if you have an exceptional QB like Mahomes or Allen or Jackson, they can work with any WRs. But if you look at all the other teams, they all have a top flight WR.

 

[flyerhawk]

mediocrity sets in when stability becomes more important than winning championships

It's not more important. It's what gives you a chance to win championships

you could be right, but shanahan is a good coach and i feel like they will figure it out and come back improved next year.

Maybe. But they have of issues to deal with and their injury problems aren't going to improve with another yer.

so you will be satisfied if they win 12 games and go 0-1 in the playoffs next year?

I won't be satisfied. But I also realize that becoming true SB contenders, without an elite QB, is very difficult and tanking for an elite QB isn't a thing. No matter how much you wish to will it into existence there is no way the Seahawks are going to actively tank. There's no way ANY team would actively tank. It's just not how the NFL works.

 

[MrS]

It's not more important. It's what gives you a chance to win championships

How does being mediocre give you a chance at a championship? Id argue it prevents winning championships.

I won't be satisfied. But I also realize that becoming true SB contenders, without an elite QB, is very difficult and tanking for an elite QB isn't a thing. No matter how much you wish to will it into existence there is no way the Seahawks are going to actively tank. There's no way ANY team would actively tank. It's just not how the NFL works.

This team needed to rebuild years ago, but they opted for bandaids and mediocrity instead. Had they tanked under carroll and drafted a top QB we could be talking about superbowl right now, instead of the draft.

Problem is, they have always thought they were contenders hence all the bad trades and dumb draft picks. Just one more safety and we will be SB bound. Just one more WR or RB in round 2 and surely we will get to the big game
Im afraid schneider still thinks that way, he may do something really stupid this offseason.

 

[flyerhawk]

How does being mediocre give you a chance at a championship? Id argue it prevents winning championships.

No one is trying to be mediocre. You keep saying that in order to win you need to blow up your team. Which current playoff teams followed your plan? The Commanders I guess, although that was more an example of new ownership and a lame duck coach.

This team needed to rebuild years ago, but they opted for bandaids and mediocrity instead. Had they tanked under carroll and drafted a top QB we could be talking about superbowl right now, instead of the draft.

What do you think rebuilding entails? Is it just getting rid of Geno and replacing him with an objectively bad QB so the team will do worse next year? Or is there more to rebuilding?

Problem is, they have always thought they were contenders hence all the bad trades and dumb draft picks. Just one more safety and we will be SB bound. Just one more WR or RB in round 2 and surely we will get to the big game
Im afraid schneider still thinks that way, he may do something really stupid this offseason.

I quite liked his draft last year. In fact his last few drafts have all been pretty good.

 

[MrS]

No one is trying to be mediocre. You keep saying that in order to win you need to blow up your team. Which current playoff teams followed your plan? The Commanders I guess, although that was more an example of new ownership and a lame duck coach.

the redskins as you said.
the bills were 9-7 and 7-9 for four years, then they went 6-10 and got josh allen.
the lions went 3-12-1 with stafford and 3-13 again with goff in his first year.
the eagles went 4-11-1 in pederson's last year.

this idea that you cant tank and then be contending is just wrong. meanwhile the seahawks have maintained mediocrity and have not been legit contenders in basically a decade.

What do you think rebuilding entails? Is it just getting rid of Geno and replacing him with an objectively bad QB so the team will do worse next year? Or is there more to rebuilding?

what does a rebuild entail or how do they tank?
I would cut dead weight, trade/cut guys with big contracts, refocus resources on the OL, DL, LB and QB.
that means let geno seek out a trade partner or cut him
trade DK
cut lockett, noah fant, dramont jones
let every FA walk except ernest jones
go get trey smith
draft a RG/RT in round 1
focus on DL/LB the on day 2 and fill in WR/TE on day 3
start sam howell, you gave up draft capital for him, its time to see if it was worth it.

in all likelihood the team wins 4-5 games and has a great opportunity to draft a top end QB prospect and by the time he is playing you have invested in an OL that can protect him and create space for your RB.
if they would have taken this approach years ago instead of throwing away two firsts on a fucking worthless safety they would be in a MUCH better position right now.
if they went into this openly and honestly, i think most fans would understand and accept one or two losing seasons knowing that it was with the intent of building a championship team. instead they have been dishonest with fans and probably with themselves too.

I quite liked his draft last year. In fact his last few drafts have all been pretty good.

they have drafted some good players ill give them that, but the team building strategy of the drafts is questionable.

 

[flyerhawk]

the redskins as you said.
the bills were 9-7 and 7-9 for four years, then they went 6-10 and got josh allen.
the lions went 3-12-1 with stafford and 3-13 again with goff in his first year.
the eagles went 4-11-1 in pederson's last year.

The Bills went 17 YEARS without a playoff appearance. They got Allen and that turned the team around. The Lions stuck with Stafford for 11 years before moving on.

All of your examples are better described as getting new coaches that built the team they wanted and it succeeding. We already got the new coach.

this idea that you cant tank and then be contending is just wrong. meanwhile the seahawks have maintained mediocrity and have not been legit contenders in basically a decade.

It is wild that you would use the Lions as a model to follow. This is a team 30+ years without winning a single playoff game.

what does a rebuild entail or how do they tank?
I would cut dead weight, trade/cut guys with big contracts, refocus resources on the OL, DL, LB and QB.
that means let geno seek out a trade partner or cut him
trade DK
cut lockett, noah fant, dramont jones
let every FA walk except ernest jones
go get trey smith
draft a RG/RT in round 1
focus on DL/LB the on day 2 and fill in WR/TE on day 3
start sam howell, you gave up draft capital for him, its time to see if it was worth it.

So it boils down to Geno. All of those other moves are doable and intended to make the team better NEXT year. Except for getting rid of Geno of starting Sam Howell.

in all likelihood the team wins 4-5 games and has a great opportunity to draft a top end QB prospect and by the time he is playing you have invested in an OL that can protect him and create space for your RB.
if they would have taken this approach years ago instead of throwing away two firsts on a fucking worthless safety they would be in a MUCH better position right now.
if they went into this openly and honestly, i think most fans would understand and accept one or two losing seasons knowing that it was with the intent of building a championship team. instead they have been dishonest with fans and probably with themselves too.

they have drafted some good players ill give them that, but the team building strategy of the drafts is questionable.

There is simply no way that they would do that. I can't think of a single team that cut a quality QB in order to start an inferior QB. Actually, I can think of one example. The Raiders. That's a franchise we definitely want to model.

 

[JMR]

If we trade DK we take on 21 million dollars in dead money. We then have a pretty huge hole at WR. Tyler is likely not on the team next year and even if he is, he's pretty closed to cooked. So our WR corp going into 2025 would be JSN, Jake Bobo and who knows.

if we have him play out his contract and he walks we would get compensatory pick. That would be around a 4th rounder. No dead money.

Generally speaking I HATE when we take on more dead money than cap savings when we move a player.

But in a trade, isn't there opportunity for the gaining team to take on some of that cap hit? It probably has to be negotiated in the deal, but it seems like I remember it happening from time to time. Or maybe I am thinking about another sport.

Beefing up the OL is certainly the No. 1 priority but dismissing the importance of having top flight WRs isn't right. Sure if you have an exceptional QB like Mahomes or Allen or Jackson, they can work with any WRs. But if you look at all the other teams, they all have a top flight WR.

I don't think it's critical to have a top flight, highly paid WR. JSN is on the verge of being pretty damn good anyway if he isn't already there. When was the last time we had a 2nd year WR be this productive? I am not against having some good WRs, but it just cannot come at the expense of upgrading the OL. If we cannot do both, then there's no question at all which one we should pick.

 

[Screamin12th]

Some of you are strange. Lockett isn't cooked he just didnt get the chances. Geno RARELY goes through his progression and his #1 target was DK till he got hurt and his #2 was JSN after DK got hurt. He never went back to DK much after also. Look at the numbers.

Lockett typically got 110-122 targets and this season ... 74. His YPC did not decline and yes he goes down to avoid contact but he has dont that for the past 5+ Years. Hell he started doing that in 2019. It's nothing new. Can't blame a player for lack of production when the QB doesn't throw him the damn ball.

Lockett is a perfect WR for a new QB if one comes in. Geno just would rather pad his stats with 60 yard TD than converting 3rd downs at a high rate LMAO! As someone who watches the all 22 film a lot, Lockett is open ALL the time but never gets the ball. BUT unlike DK he doesnt cry about it.

 

[flyerhawk]

But in a trade, isn't there opportunity for the gaining team to take on some of that cap hit? It probably has to be negotiated in the deal, but it seems like I remember it happening from time to time. Or maybe I am thinking about another sport.

Not that I'm aware of.

I don't think it's critical to have a top flight, highly paid WR. JSN is on the verge of being pretty damn good anyway if he isn't already there. When was the last time we had a 2nd year WR be this productive? I am not against having some good WRs, but it just cannot come at the expense of upgrading the OL. If we cannot do both, then there's no question at all which one we should pick.

Oh I agree with you. I just don't see how getting a 4th rounder for DK helps us get better on the OL.

 

[flyerhawk]

Some of you are strange. Lockett isn't cooked he just didnt get the chances. Geno RARELY goes through his progression and his #1 target was DK till he got hurt and his #2 was JSN after DK got hurt. He never went back to DK much after also. Look at the numbers.

Lockett typically got 110-122 targets and this season ... 74. His YPC did not decline and yes he goes down to avoid contact but he has dont that for the past 5+ Years. Hell he started doing that in 2019. It's nothing new. Can't blame a player for lack of production when the QB doesn't throw him the damn ball.

Lockett is a perfect WR for a new QB if one comes in. Geno just would rather pad his stats with 60 yard TD than converting 3rd downs at a high rate LMAO! As someone who watches the all 22 film a lot, Lockett is open ALL the time but never gets the ball. BUT unlike DK he doesnt cry about it.

Yeah. We definitely should keep Locket and his 31 million dollar cap hit.

This obsessive hate for Geno has to be a bit.

 

[Screamin12th]

Seahawks will have to resign either Lockett or DK, it would be STUPID to ditch both of them.

 

[Screamin12th]

Yeah. We definitely should keep Locket and his 31 million dollar cap hit.

This obsessive hate for Geno has to be a bit.

You're just a bitch no one said keep him for 31 million but you are fine keeping Geno for 44 million ( 6 million in escalators ) or DK for 31 million? You always have to come back with ignorant posts pointing BS numbers out that no one even mentions or have all ready stated would have to be fixed.

I swear to god you are still a teenager.

Here read this
Geno Smith, the Seattle Seahawks quarterback, has tunnel vision, especially during close games.

This is a fact

If the Seahawks bring in a YOUNG QB then having Lockett around is a boon that can help said young QB. DK wouldnt help a young QB.

 

[flyerhawk]

You're just a bitch no one said keep him for 31 million but you are fine keeping Geno for 44 million ( 6 million in escalators ) or DK for 31 million? You always have to come back with ignorant posts pointing BS numbers out that no one even mentions or have all ready stated would have to be fixed.

I swear to god you are still a teenager.

Calling an anonymous poster a bitch and then accusing them of being a teenager is pretty funny. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

You decided to claim that people who think that Lockett is close to cooked were "strange" and then went it some weird rant about how Geno is the reason why his production is down. The reality is that Lockett will either be cut or need to have his contract renegotiated drastically. We aren't going to pay him $17 million next season.

I've REPEATEDLY said that the Seahawks will need to restructure Geno's contract and get that cap hit closer to 20 million and that the only way I see them cutting Geno is if he refuses to restructure.

DK is an upside down contract right now. Meaning his dead money hit is higher than his cap savings. I've already said that I would be fine with trading him for a 1st or 2nd. I literally just said that so I have now idea how you got that I would be "fine" with what you are saying.

Maybe stop acting like a child and just talk football?

 

[flyerhawk]

Seahawks will have to resign either Lockett or DK, it would be STUPID to ditch both of them.

I agree with this.

 

[Screamin12th]

Calling an anonymous poster a bitch and then accusing them of being a teenager is pretty funny. Maybe you should look in the mirror.

You decided to claim that people who think that Lockett is close to cooked were "strange" and then went it some weird rant about how Geno is the reason why his production is down. The reality is that Lockett will either be cut or need to have his contract renegotiated drastically. We aren't going to pay him $17 million next season.

I've REPEATEDLY said that the Seahawks will need to restructure Geno's contract and get that cap hit closer to 20 million and that the only way I see them cutting Geno is if he refuses to restructure.

DK is an upside down contract right now. Meaning his dead money hit is higher than his cap savings. I've already said that I would be fine with trading him for a 1st or 2nd. I literally just said that so I have now idea how you got that I would be "fine" with what you are saying.

Maybe stop acting like a child and just talk football?

You are a bitch, I was talking about Lockett and why it would be best to resign him OR DK and not let both walk and pointed out his numbers and why they declined and you think it was about Geno being a POS. Your panties get all bunched up in your crack if ANYONE says anything SLIGHTLY demeaning about Geno. Grow a pair and stop defending a player that hurt his team more than helped them this past season.


Smith struggled with turnovers throughout the year, finishing third behind Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield with 15 interceptions. An NFL-worst five of those picks came in the red zone, including a back-breaking pick six in a Week 9 home loss to the Rams, playing a key role in the Seahawks ending the season ranked a dreadful 28th in goal to go touchdown percentage.

With that high interception total, Smith barely eclipsed his 20 touchdown pass production from 2022, needing a four touchdown performance in the season finale to get to 21 on the season, which tied with Kyler Murray for the 13th most in the league. Per Pro Football Reference, his 3.6 percent touchdown rate per 100 passes ranked 31st among qualified quarterbacks, barely ahead of the likes of Jaguars backup Mac Jones and Raiders backup Aidan O'Connell.

Smith didn't perform well compared to his peers in the red zone and on third down. Inside the opposing 20-yard line, while he did toss 16 touchdown passes, he completed just 41.8 percent of his passes, ranking 36th out of 37 qualified quarterbacks. On third down, he wasn't much more efficient, completing just 56.9 percent of his passes and converting only 36.5 percent of his pass attempts into a new set of downs, ranking 34th and 29th out of 44 quarterbacks in each category respectively.

 

[flyerhawk]

You are a bitch, I was talking about Lockett and why it would be best to resign him OR DK and not let both walk and pointed out his numbers and why they declined and you think it was about Geno being a POS. Your panties get all bunched up in your crack if ANYONE says anything SLIGHTLY demeaning about Geno. Grow a pair and stop defending a player that hurt his team more than helped them this past season.

WTF are you talking about? This is what you wrote....

Some of you are strange. Lockett isn't cooked he just didnt get the chances. Geno RARELY goes through his progression and his #1 target was DK till he got hurt and his #2 was JSN after DK got hurt. He never went back to DK much after also. Look at the numbers.

Lockett typically got 110-122 targets and this season ... 74. His YPC did not decline and yes he goes down to avoid contact but he has dont that for the past 5+ Years. Hell he started doing that in 2019. It's nothing new. Can't blame a player for lack of production when the QB doesn't throw him the damn ball.

Lockett is a perfect WR for a new QB if one comes in. Geno just would rather pad his stats with 60 yard TD than converting 3rd downs at a high rate LMAO! As someone who watches the all 22 film a lot, Lockett is open ALL the time but never gets the ball. BUT unlike DK he doesnt cry about it.

You said nothing about keeping him or DK in this post. All you said was the reason why Locket's targets went down is because of Geno to the point of saying absurd things like

Geno just would rather pad his stats with 60 yard TD than converting 3rd downs at a high rate LMAO!

Lockett's targets declined because he is the No. 3 receiver on the team as he was supplanted by JSN as the No. 2.

Had you simply said "Seahawks will have to resign either Lockett or DK, it would be STUPID to ditch both of them." I would have agreed with you. Which I did when you actually said that.