2024 Season Thread

[Screamin12th]

WTF are you talking about? This is what you wrote....



You said nothing about keeping him or DK in this post. All you said was the reason why Locket's targets went down is because of Geno to the point of saying absurd things like


Lockett's targets declined because he is the No. 3 receiver on the team as he was supplanted by JSN as the No. 2.

Had you simply said "Seahawks will have to resign either Lockett or DK, it would be STUPID to ditch both of them." I would have agreed with you. Which I did when you actually said that.

Yep thats what i said and where was it out of line or wrong? It was about Locketts decline in production and why i happened. It was also spot on. But because i put Geno's name in there you got all pissy. Right? yes I am right.

 

[Screamin12th]

You are a bitch, I was talking about Lockett and why it would be best to resign him OR DK and not let both walk and pointed out his numbers and why they declined and you think it was about Geno being a POS. Your panties get all bunched up in your crack if ANYONE says anything SLIGHTLY demeaning about Geno. Grow a pair and stop defending a player that hurt his team more than helped them this past season.


Smith struggled with turnovers throughout the year, finishing third behind Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield with 15 interceptions. An NFL-worst five of those picks came in the red zone, including a back-breaking pick six in a Week 9 home loss to the Rams, playing a key role in the Seahawks ending the season ranked a dreadful 28th in goal to go touchdown percentage.

With that high interception total, Smith barely eclipsed his 20 touchdown pass production from 2022, needing a four touchdown performance in the season finale to get to 21 on the season, which tied with Kyler Murray for the 13th most in the league. Per Pro Football Reference, his 3.6 percent touchdown rate per 100 passes ranked 31st among qualified quarterbacks, barely ahead of the likes of Jaguars backup Mac Jones and Raiders backup Aidan O'Connell.

Smith didn't perform well compared to his peers in the red zone and on third down. Inside the opposing 20-yard line, while he did toss 16 touchdown passes, he completed just 41.8 percent of his passes, ranking 36th out of 37 qualified quarterbacks. On third down, he wasn't much more efficient, completing just 56.9 percent of his passes and converting only 36.5 percent of his pass attempts into a new set of downs, ranking 34th and 29th out of 44 quarterbacks in each category respectively.

OOPS! That last paragraph was from a January 2024 artical the "Smith didn't perform well compared to his peers in the red zone and on third down." Part

I did not realise they were using a quote from the end of last season to make a point on how bad this year was compared to even last years.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yep thats what i said and where was it out of line or wrong? It was about Locketts decline in production and why i happened. It was also spot on. But because i put Geno's name in there you got all pissy. Right? yes I am right.

I didn't get pissy in the least bit. I thought it was amusing that you somehow made the topic about Geno, as you like to do.

If you think you are objective about Geno, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Anointed One]

Lockett's targets declined because he is the No. 3 receiver on the team as he was supplanted by JSN as the No. 2.

This is THE main reason for Lockett's reduction in targets... JSN and DK are better than Lockett at this point in his career... So seeing how his targets had declined, should come as no surprise... We should all be happy because that means that JSN is playing up to his #1 draft expectations... This is in part why JSN was drafted - so it's a good thing...

 

[flyerhawk]

This is THE main reason for Lockett's reduction in targets... JSN and DK are better than Lockett at this point in his career... So seeing how his targets had declined, should come as no surprise... We should all be happy because that means that JSN is playing up to his #1 draft expectations... This is in part why JSN was drafted - so it's a good thing...

Yup. Pretty obvious.

 

[MrS]

The Bills went 17 YEARS without a playoff appearance. They got Allen and that turned the team around. The Lions stuck with Stafford for 11 years before moving on.

All of your examples are better described as getting new coaches that built the team they wanted and it succeeding. We already got the new coach.



It is wild that you would use the Lions as a model to follow. This is a team 30+ years without winning a single playoff game.

the lions and the bills had streaks of mediocrity before they became contenders. but not until they had a rebuild year. thats the point, this team hasnt really had a rebuild year because they stupidly traded away draft picks for bandaids to stay in contention on a team that was never a contender.

So it boils down to Geno. All of those other moves are doable and intended to make the team better NEXT year. Except for getting rid of Geno of starting Sam Howell.

if you want to AT BEST lose in round one of the playoffs, geno is your guy. but i want to see them contend for championships. with howell we will see if he was worth trading for, and if he isnt then we get a rebuild year with a high draft pick and a shot at a franchise qb.

i dont know why you think that somehow would be an eternal set back and doom the franchise forever.

There is simply no way that they would do that. I can't think of a single team that cut a quality QB in order to start an inferior QB. Actually, I can think of one example. The Raiders. That's a franchise we definitely want to model.

i dont regard geno as a quality qb, i regard him as mediocre.

 

[Screamin12th]

Lockett had a solid year in 2023 with 79 rec on 122 targets but his YPC were down. This was expected also because they were throwing to JSN and Lockett on those damn behind the LOS WR screens ALL the time. it was maddening! JSN had a tiny 10 YPC average because of it and lockett a 11.3.

Lockett still got his targets though and even JSN got 93 targets as the #3 guy. Lockett this past year got 75. If there is a WR on the team that should be under 100 targets thats DK. He isnt a high volume guy and tends to take plays off. He gives up on routes that lead to INT's also. He is a big strong WR with little route running ability and we have not even talked about his suspect hands yet lol. JSN/Lockett trade DK while he is worth something because he ISNT worth 30 million a year to us.

This does mean they would have to draft a WR in the 3rd or 4th rounds if they got rid of either one and if they dumped both then they are looking at the lowest a 2nd round WR because they would have to be the #2 guy. My move would be to trade DK for a 2nd if you can then use that extra 2nd on his replacement.

 

[flyerhawk]

the lions and the bills had streaks of mediocrity before they became contenders. but not until they had a rebuild year. thats the point, this team hasnt really had a rebuild year because they stupidly traded away draft picks for bandaids to stay in contention on a team that was never a contender.

I agree that they made some bad moves in the past. But I'm not sure there is much point in talking about a trade from 5 years ago. It was a bad trade made in desperation.

The Bills and Lions were CONSTANTLY rebuilding. Over and over again.

Look at the Patriots since Brady left. Cam Newton, Mac Jones, Drake Maye, Bailey Zappe. 2 top 5 picks in a row and they are probably going to struggle again next year.

if you want to AT BEST lose in round one of the playoffs, geno is your guy. but i want to see them contend for championships. with howell we will see if he was worth trading for, and if he isnt then we get a rebuild year with a high draft pick and a shot at a franchise qb.

I think the coaches have a pretty good idea whether Howell is a viable starter. He certainly didn't look like one against the Packers. I don't think it is necessary for the fans to see Howell play just to prove he isn't up for the job.

There is just no way the Seahawks are going to get rid of Geno and depend on someone like Howell to lead the team.

i dont know why you think that somehow would be an eternal set back and doom the franchise forever.

Well I certainly would never use terms like eternal or forever. But I do know that teams that bad teams tend to stay bad teams. Of course sometimes they do turn it around, like the Lions and Bills did.

i dont regard geno as a quality qb, i regard him as mediocre.

Well PFF ranks him as the 13th best QB in the league. Which seems about right. Get him behind a good line he probably is in the 7-10 range

 

[flyerhawk]

Lockett had a solid year in 2023 with 79 rec on 122 targets but his YPC were down. This was expected also because they were throwing to JSN and Lockett on those damn behind the LOS WR screens ALL the time. it was maddening! JSN had a tiny 10 YPC average because of it and lockett a 11.3.

Lockett still got his targets though and even JSN got 93 targets as the #3 guy. Lockett this past year got 75. If there is a WR on the team that should be under 100 targets thats DK. He isnt a high volume guy and tends to take plays off. He gives up on routes that lead to INT's also. He is a big strong WR with little route running ability and we have not even talked about his suspect hands yet lol. JSN/Lockett trade DK while he is worth something because he ISNT worth 30 million a year to us.

DK had his fewest targets since his rookie season.
JSN went from 93 targets to 137, which is more than Lockett has ever had in a season.

 

[Screamin12th]

DK had his fewest targets since his rookie season.
JSN went from 93 targets to 137, which is more than Lockett has ever had in a season.

correct thanks for proving my point.

 

[MrS]

I agree that they made some bad moves in the past. But I'm not sure there is much point in talking about a trade from 5 years ago. It was a bad trade made in desperation.

Its how they have operated all these years and its been to the detriment of the franchise. Sometimes you need to cut dead weight and rebuild.

The Bills and Lions were CONSTANTLY rebuilding. Over and over again.

Isnt almost every team doing that? Except the few, the proud, the stuck in meidiocre

Look at the Patriots since Brady left. Cam Newton, Mac Jones, Drake Maye, Bailey Zappe. 2 top 5 picks in a row and they are probably going to struggle again next year.

They finally had a top pick and got their QB, lets see if it works out for them.

I think the coaches have a pretty good idea whether Howell is a viable starter. He certainly didn't look like one against the Packers. I don't think it is necessary for the fans to see Howell play just to prove he isn't up for the job.

There is just no way the Seahawks are going to get rid of Geno and depend on someone like Howell to lead the team.

Then its yet another bad trade by schneider. When is enough enough?

Well I certainly would never use terms like eternal or forever. But I do know that teams that bad teams tend to stay bad teams. Of course sometimes they do turn it around, like the Lions and Bills did.

Some franchises are poorly run, that doesnt mean they are the rule. Having a bad season does not mean the franchise falls into perpetual failure. It can and often does lead to future success

Well PFF ranks him as the 13th best QB in the league. Which seems about right. Get him behind a good line he probably is in the 7-10 range

Id like to see that list. But i also dont think an OL is going to magically fix geno's consistent mistakes. We still lose in the playoffs round 1 because he isnt going to get a team over the hump

 

[flyerhawk]

Its how they have operated all these years and its been to the detriment of the franchise. Sometimes you need to cut dead weight and rebuild.

I guess. Again the term rebuild is largely meaningless as it you are basically only talking about the QB and maybe the coach.

Isnt almost every team doing that? Except the few, the proud, the stuck in meidiocre

Yes and after a couple of decades they were able to turn it around. Granted they did it in difference ways. The Bills were able to get an elite QB in the draft. The Lions were able to collect a ton of assets when they traded Stafford and build a deep team and take a mid tier QB and turn him into a top tier QB.

They finally had a top pick and got their QB, lets see if it works out for them.

Sure.

Then its yet another bad trade by schneider. When is enough enough?

Swapping some draft picks to get a backup QB is not a bad deal even if he will never be a starter.

Some franchises are poorly run, that doesnt mean they are the rule. Having a bad season does not mean the franchise falls into perpetual failure. It can and often does lead to future success

I think you have a wildly optimistic view of the impact of having a truly dreadful season. But you're already willing to move on from Mac if it means a top 5 pick so.

Id like to see that list. But i also dont think an OL is going to magically fix geno's consistent mistakes. We still lose in the playoffs round 1 because he isnt going to get a team over the hump

Geno Smith | Seattle Seahawks QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

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Geno's mistakes are often because of relentless pressure.

Arguing that Geno wouldn't get better if the team had a better OL is a pretty crazy take.

 

[MrS]

I guess. Again the term rebuild is largely meaningless as it you are basically only talking about the QB and maybe the coach.

I said who to cut and not to resign people. The point is to clear cap space, jettison dead weight, and pave the way to a better team in the future. Keeping geno doesnt do that, it just prolongs the inevitable.
If the hope is we will win a superbowl with geno if we just get a better OL, good luck

Yes and after a couple of decades they were able to turn it around. Granted they did it in difference ways. The Bills were able to get an elite QB in the draft. The Lions were able to collect a ton of assets when they traded Stafford and build a deep team and take a mid tier QB and turn him into a top tier QB.



Sure.



Swapping some draft picks to get a backup QB is not a bad deal even if he will never be a starter.



I think you have a wildly optimistic view of the impact of having a truly dreadful season. But you're already willing to move on from Mac if it means a top 5 pick so.

Geno Smith | Seattle Seahawks QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

Geno's mistakes are often because of relentless pressure.

Arguing that Geno wouldn't get better if the team had a better OL is a pretty crazy take.

I cant see PFFs full ranking its behind a paywall, im curious what the rest of it looks like.

 

[flyerhawk]

I said who to cut and not to resign people. The point is to clear cap space, jettison dead weight, and pave the way to a better team in the future. Keeping geno doesnt do that, it just prolongs the inevitable.
If the hope is we will win a superbowl with geno if we just get a better OL, good luck

I get it. I just don't see the point of arguing about Geno. I've said the same thing over and over. I'm fine with moving on from Geno. But only if we are going to have someone that we can reasonably expect to reach his level of performance.

Bringing someone who has never reached that level and hoping that they will in Seattle is just wishful thinking.

I cant see PFFs full ranking its behind a paywall, im curious what the rest of it looks like.

I don't have access. That page has him at 13. Not that PFF is gospel but the larger football community has a much higher view of Geno than a lot of Seahawk fans.

 

[Screamin12th]

the larger majority of fans dont know a DAMN thing about football and only look at pretty numbers like 4300 passing yards and 70% completion percentage. They couldn't tell you what a cut block or blindside block is. Hell 80% think if the ball is in your hand and hits the ground bounces out of your hand and you catch it before it hits the ground that its a catch. LMAO!

Hey Sam Darnold isn't playing so well again, Hawks should have beat the Vikings.

Was 2024 Geno as good as 2023? No
Was 2023 Geno as good as 2022? No
Has Geno IMPROVED over his 3 years of starting or regressed? Regressed
We would be playing in the Playoffs if Geno didnt throw a Pick 6 in the Rams game? Yes.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I guess. Again the term rebuild is largely meaningless as it you are basically only talking about the QB and maybe the coach.



Yes and after a couple of decades they were able to turn it around. Granted they did it in difference ways. The Bills were able to get an elite QB in the draft. The Lions were able to collect a ton of assets when they traded Stafford and build a deep team and take a mid tier QB and turn him into a top tier QB.



Sure.



Swapping some draft picks to get a backup QB is not a bad deal even if he will never be a starter.



I think you have a wildly optimistic view of the impact of having a truly dreadful season. But you're already willing to move on from Mac if it means a top 5 pick so.

Geno Smith | Seattle Seahawks QB | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Seattle Seahawks QB Geno Smith on Pro Football Focus.

www.pff.com

Geno's mistakes are often because of relentless pressure.

Arguing that Geno wouldn't get better if the team had a better OL is a pretty crazy take.

I disagree on swapping draft picks for a backup QB that will never start for ya. It would have been better keeping the better picks and sign a scrub FA QB on the cheap if the intent was on keeping Geno.

 

[flyerhawk]

I disagree on swapping draft picks for a backup QB that will never start for ya. It would have been better keeping the better picks and sign a scrub FA QB on the cheap if the intent was on keeping Geno.

I guess. I don't think giving up the equivalent of a 5th round pick for a backup who was a starter the year before is that big of a deal. I'm sure they had, and may still have, reason to think he could be more.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I get it. I just don't see the point of arguing about Geno. I've said the same thing over and over. I'm fine with moving on from Geno. But only if we are going to have someone that we can reasonably expect to reach his level of performance.

Bringing someone who has never reached that level and hoping that they will in Seattle is just wishful thinking.




I don't have access. That page has him at 13. Not that PFF is gospel but the larger football community has a much higher view of Geno than a lot of Seahawk fans.

The thing is Geno has made the playoffs once. It's really not a high bar to clear in bringing in a FA QB. If he got us to the conference finals and lost than I can agree with keeping Geno.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I guess. I don't think giving up the equivalent of a 5th round pick for a backup who was a starter the year before is that big of a deal. I'm sure they had, and may still have, reason to think he could be more.

We gave up a 3rd and a 5th rounder. 3rd rounders should be contributing almost immediately. JS wasted that unless he starts next season.

 

[Screamin12th]

The thing is Geno has made the playoffs once. It's really not a high bar to clear in bringing in a FA QB. If he got us to the conference finals and lost than I can agree with keeping Geno.

I dont mind if Geno comes back BUT only if its for UNDER $25 mill and they actually have someone to Compete with him and ACTUALLY let them compete instead of just lying about it.