2024 Season Thread

[flyerhawk]

Wow, ok. Huge price tag for one. Lame duck season with looming free agency can be a distraction. Not getting an extension before the final year can be cause for drama, particularly for WRs. I would probably feel differently if DK was a perennial 1200+ YD, 10+ TD guy, but he's done that 1 time in 6 tries so far. He's as physically gifted as they come, but the numbers don't match up with the $ he's going to want. I am not sure why you can't see this, and I'm equally puzzled why you're just ok with him playing out the final year at a huge price.

Because we are paying that price no matter what. Keep him and he costs us 31 million. Get rid of him and he costs us 21 million and we need to replace him.

I don't think there is any way we can get anything close to his production for 11 million dollars.

Now if we are able to get a 1st round pick for him? Absolutely. Even a 2nd rounder and I think it may be worth it. As I said earlier, it starts to get murkier for me if we are talking a 3rd rounder. Less than that isn't worth moving him.

I feel like you just want to move on from DK. That's fine.

 

[Anointed One]

Who is calling for MacDonald's head?

Nobody that I know of...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Because we are paying that price no matter what. Keep him and he costs us 31 million. Get rid of him and he costs us 21 million and we need to replace him.

I don't think there is any way we can get anything close to his production for 11 million dollars.

Now if we are able to get a 1st round pick for him? Absolutely. Even a 2nd rounder and I think it may be worth it. As I said earlier, it starts to get murkier for me if we are talking a 3rd rounder. Less than that isn't worth moving him.

I feel like you just want to move on from DK. That's fine.

I look at the Patriots sitting with the most cap space, a highly regarded rookie QB in Maye and no worth while WRs and a draft lacking top end WRs. Could Metcalf be the AJ Brown for Vrabel with the Pats? Don't give Metcalf away, need to get good value for him.

 

[JMR]

I feel like you just want to move on from DK. That's fine.

I just want what is best for the team, and I think that means trading him for reasons already stated.

 

[MrS]

Metcalf isnt going anywhere, they are trying to, i hope, hire a top flight OC. You cant attract that while dumping big time weapons

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Metcalf isnt going anywhere, they are trying to, i hope, hire a top flight OC. You cant attract that while dumping big time weapons

Dunno if you can attract an OC either with an absolutely trash OL that can't sustain a run game either... and JSN just had his breakout year... you still have a good weapon there. And K9 will be back for another year and Charb did decent for the OL they were given. If "We'll resign Lockett cheap and you have JSN/Cross/K9/Charbs and a 6'6" TE that started to come on a bit later in the season despite Seattle throwing to TEs less than the league average when they threw the 7th most pass attempts in the league" and we're going to trade DK for a 2nd and some change and focus heavily on giving you an OL... I'd think an up and coming OC (or vet one) would find that just as attractive.

Harbaugh had a chance to take Nabers, and went OT lol.

 

[flyerhawk]

I look at the Patriots sitting with the most cap space, a highly regarded rookie QB in Maye and no worth while WRs and a draft lacking top end WRs. Could Metcalf be the AJ Brown for Vrabel with the Pats? Don't give Metcalf away, need to get good value for him.

I'm with ya. If the Patriots were willing to give us their 2nd and 4th I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[flyerhawk]

I just want what is best for the team, and I think that means trading him for reasons already stated.

I hear ya and I know what you just want the best team.

I don't think getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him is worth it. Getting a Day 1 or Day 2 pick it is worth it though.

 

[JMR]

I hear ya and I know what you just want the best team.

I don't think getting rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him is worth it. Getting a Day 1 or Day 2 pick it is worth it though.

I really sucked at communicating my position if the conclusion is I want to get rid of him just to get rid of him.

 

[flyerhawk]

I really sucked at communicating my position if the conclusion is I want to get rid of him just to get rid of him.

When you started talking about how he would be a problem in the locker room if he didn't get a new contract, that was what I inferred.

 

[Screamin12th]

Seahawks are almost 30 million OVER THE projected Cap. No matter what they will be releasing someone thats is making over 20 million a year and THAT alone will not be enough to get them UNDER the cap. They will need to be at the VERY minimum 10-15 million UNDER the cap to sign their draft picks.

30+15= 45 million they have to dump. Dumping Geno saves you 31 million and they would STILL need another 14 million. So then they would have to drop Lockett for a 17 million in cap savings.

All this back and forth means nothing look at the numbers.

Things we do know is Lockett would willingly rework his contract to save 10-15 million, Geno I doubt he drops 5 million let alone 20. DK? Yeah right the dude is a head case he might drop 5 million and think its a HUGE give up then bitch about it.

Also VOID YEARS is not an option as thats one of the reasons we are in this mess.

 

[JMR]

When you started talking about how he would be a problem in the locker room if he didn't get a new contract, that was what I inferred.

Well, I think those things are real possibilities that wouldn't be helpful for the team. For me it's just a matter of the things you avoid by trading DK now are preferable to what you have with him here for maybe 1 final season?

 

[JMR]

Seahawks are almost 30 million OVER THE projected Cap. No matter what they will be releasing someone thats is making over 20 million a year and THAT alone will not be enough to get them UNDER the cap. They will need to be at the VERY minimum 10-15 million UNDER the cap to sign their draft picks.

Of course some fat is going to be trimmed. Won't be hard at all.

Here is $50M:

• $17M Lockeett
• $11.5M Dremont Jones
• $9M Noah Fant
• $5.2M Rayshawn Jenkins
• $6.6M Robertson-Harris

We'll get an extension on Geno and probably get back another $10M at least. Quite possibly more.

So this is a pretty quick and academic $60M of cap space to find, and I'm not someone who gets paid by the team to figure it out. Easy to get more, and teams always do.

 

[flyerhawk]

Of course some fat is going to be trimmed. Won't be hard at all.

Here is $50M:

• $17M Lockeett
• $11.5M Dremont Jones
• $9M Noah Fant
• $5.2M Rayshawn Jenkins
• $6.6M Robertson-Harris

We'll get an extension on Geno and probably get back another $10M at least. Quite possibly more.

So this is a pretty quick and academic $60M of cap space to find, and I'm not someone who gets paid by the team to figure it out. Easy to get more, and teams always do.

Yeah. A bunch of those moves are pretty simple decisions. Might not get all of it with each player as they may restructure some guys.

We don't have a lot of FAs we have to worry about. Jones is probably the only one we really need to worry about.

We do have some players we have to extend like Mafe which will take some cap space.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Also lets remember that when signing a player the first year cap hit is purposely low. Seahawks have a ton of cap in 2026 they can push cap hits to while keeping cap hits low in 2025. So cap wise the Seahawks are in a fine position to sign FA's. Hope they go after Trey Smith Chiefs RG and a couple others (cheaper) OL in the offseason.

 

[JMR]

Yeah. A bunch of those moves are pretty simple decisions. Might not get all of it with each player as they may restructure some guys.

We don't have a lot of FAs we have to worry about. Jones is probably the only one we really need to worry about.

We do have some players we have to extend like Mafe which will take some cap space.

Yep, they'll maneuver how they need to in order to make the numbers work. It's what they get paid to do. As a group, we fret about this way too much. Every. off. season.

 

[Screamin12th]

you guys are forgetting they have FA to sign on their roster and also replace those they release. That cuts out half of the money you just got back if not more. They have a LOT of work to do to fix the state our cap situation is in. You all think it's so cut and dry removing players but not replacing them.


We all knew that void years was a bad idea in the long run. More than a few teams have ran into this wall when doing just that. You end up owing players more money than they are worth. We will 100% lose better talent than we get back. Need to really hit on this draft.

 

[flyerhawk]

you guys are forgetting they have FA to sign on their roster and also replace those they release. That cuts out half of the money you just got back if not more. They have a LOT of work to do to fix the state our cap situation is in. You all think it's so cut and dry removing players but not replacing them.


We all knew that void years was a bad idea in the long run. More than a few teams have ran into this wall when doing just that. You end up owing players more money than they are worth. We will 100% lose better talent than we get back. Need to really hit on this draft.

We don't have a lot of FAs we need to worry about.

Hankins would be fine to bring back but replaceable but he's not expensive
Tomlinson should be on the first stage coach out of town
Wallace barely played
Jarran Reed I think we would like to bring back. He's on the wrong side of 30 so I don't think he will be that expensive
Tre Brown - only on a very team friendly deal. He got exposed pretty badly this year
Pharoah Brown - Meh. Replace him with some other vet.
Forsythe would be cheap if we keep him

Jones will cost money for sure.

But ultimately that is a pretty manageable list of FAs.

Some of the guys we cut would be replaced with rookies.

 

[Screamin12th]

We don't have a lot of FAs we need to worry about.

Hankins would be fine to bring back but replaceable but he's not expensive
Tomlinson should be on the first stage coach out of town
Wallace barely played
Jarran Reed I think we would like to bring back. He's on the wrong side of 30 so I don't think he will be that expensive
Tre Brown - only on a very team friendly deal. He got exposed pretty badly this year
Pharoah Brown - Meh. Replace him with some other vet.
Forsythe would be cheap if we keep him

Jones will cost money for sure.

But ultimately that is a pretty manageable list of FAs.

Some of the guys we cut would be replaced with rookies.

it doesnt matter who they resign or replace thats ALL money that cuts into some hypothetical cap space that they DO NOT have right now. Thats what i am saying, they cant lose 10 players and swing it from there.

Sounds like you all want then to continue signing bottom feeders.

 

[flyerhawk]

it doesnt matter who they resign or replace thats ALL money that cuts into some hypothetical cap space that they DO NOT have right now. Thats what i am saying, they cant lose 10 players and swing it from there.

Sounds like you all want then to continue signing bottom feeders.

I don't think any of us think that they can just do whatever they want with the freed up cap space.

Realistically they are only going to have enough money to go for 1 or 2 quality free agents. They are also unlikely to spend their money on the top free agents as that isn't something that they do.

Ideally they make a push for one of the FA guards like Smith or Jenkins. But I wouldn't be opposed to Zeitler at the right price.