2024 Season Thread

[HaroldSeattle]

I would agree the Hawks will not be major spenders in the free agent market (at least in terms of bringing in new faces),

I think we are on the same page then. The money will go to resign or extend players. Ernest Jones for example, he's making 1.9 this year, to resign him will cost 10 times that, McQueen cost 41 million at 13 per year average. What will Jones price tag cost? I would guess more then McQueen because he has the leverage, Seahawks HAVE TO resign him, so his market value will be max value. I would guess they will want to extend Cross. Not sure what that will cost but there are 7 left tackles that average over 20 million per year and it goes up yearly.
Your correct that the Seahawks have players in place to replace some of the players to be cut. Lockett replacement is JSN for example. Barner will replace Fant, Geno replacement likely is Howell and so on. My point was that 70 million doesn't mean the Seahawks are flush with cap space and will be major spenders in FA for new faces, but we agree on that it appears.

 

[flyerhawk]

I think we are on the same page then. The money will go to resign or extend players. Ernest Jones for example, he's making 1.9 this year, to resign him will cost 10 times that, McQueen cost 41 million at 13 per year average. What will Jones price tag cost? I would guess more then McQueen because he has the leverage, Seahawks HAVE TO resign him, so his market value will be max value. I would guess they will want to extend Cross. Not sure what that will cost but there are 7 left tackles that average over 20 million per year and it goes up yearly.
Your correct that the Seahawks have players in place to replace some of the players to be cut. Lockett replacement is JSN for example. Barner will replace Fant, Geno replacement likely is Howell and so on. My point was that 70 million doesn't mean the Seahawks are flush with cap space and will be major spenders in FA for new faces, but we agree on that it appears.

Do we really want them to be big spenders on FA? Honestly I would probably want to see them make a splash for a LG as Tomlinson has been weak. Hopefully Olu can step up and one of Bradford/Haynes can step up as well. Not sure what else would be looking for, outside of the QB question.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Do we really want them to be big spenders on FA? Honestly I would probably want to see them make a splash for a LG as Tomlinson has been weak. Hopefully Olu can step up and one of Bradford/Haynes can step up as well. Not sure what else would be looking for, outside of the QB question.

Probably not, although with a draft class that doesn't appear to have answers in positions of need it leaves me wondering how to fill these needs. As you mentioned LG, maybe another center for depth or a alternative if Olu doesn't pan out, a better option at RG, someone to back up Lucas with his health questions. That's just the OL.

 

[flyerhawk]

Probably not, although with a draft class that doesn't appear to have answers in positions of need it leaves me wondering how to fill these needs. As you mentioned LG, maybe another center for depth or a alternative if Olu doesn't pan out, a better option at RG, someone to back up Lucas with his health questions. That's just the OL.

Well that's the thing. The team is actually set up pretty well EXCEPT at OL. We don't have a ton of players we need to resign. The defense looks really solid for next year. We might need to find another WR and TE but a WR3 is not difficult to find and Barner looks to be pretty legit.

The 2024 draft is looking really promising so far. Murphy contributing a lot in a rotational role, Knight and Barner looking to be great pickups. Leonard Williams for our 2nd round pick seems like a GREAT move right now. If Haynes can step up this will be a tremendous draft

 

[JMR]

I think we are on the same page then. The money will go to resign or extend players. Ernest Jones for example, he's making 1.9 this year, to resign him will cost 10 times that, McQueen cost 41 million at 13 per year average. What will Jones price tag cost? I would guess more then McQueen because he has the leverage, Seahawks HAVE TO resign him, so his market value will be max value. I would guess they will want to extend Cross. Not sure what that will cost but there are 7 left tackles that average over 20 million per year and it goes up yearly.
Your correct that the Seahawks have players in place to replace some of the players to be cut. Lockett replacement is JSN for example. Barner will replace Fant, Geno replacement likely is Howell and so on. My point was that 70 million doesn't mean the Seahawks are flush with cap space and will be major spenders in FA for new faces, but we agree on that it appears.

I don't get too wrapped up in AAV. Too much fiction in the back end of most of those big money deals. Queen's 2024 cap hit is $6M. I think we can re-sign Jones for somewhere around $8M of cap space for 2025. Maybe even less. Anything after that can be adjusted as you go along, and the cap goes up about 10%/year.

And as Flyer suggests, I don't really want us to be big free agent shoppers. It's usually not money well spent. Grab some role players, hopefully find an upgrade at guard, and keep building through the draft. Re-sign key guys. I think OTC projects the cap to at north of $270M for 2025. We have a clear path to open up about 25% of that by cutting a handful of over-priced players, and that will give us some flexibility to make a few things happen.

 

[MrS]

who are the free agents we are going to spend big on?
One of the chiefs guards is an FA, saw him listed as the top FA which would mean he would cost a fortune.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

who are the free agents we are going to spend big on?
One of the chiefs guards is an FA, saw him listed as the top FA which would mean he would cost a fortune.

Seahawks are not spending big. Resign Jones try to extend a couple of players and then some bargain basement shopping. That's it.

 

[JMR]

who are the free agents we are going to spend big on?

Hopefully none. Better value in the 2nd wave of free agency in most cases.

 

[flyerhawk]

Hopefully none. Better value in the 2nd wave of free agency in most cases.

Unless you can make a big splash player like an elite DE, it's not worth the spend in almost all cases.

 

[JMR]

Unless you can make a big splash player like an elite DE, it's not worth the spend in almost all cases.

For sure. No clue who the top DEs even are for this off-season's free agent market, but I can't think we'll be in the running. If we are lucky enough to get a full (or close to it) season out of Uchenna next year, that will be sort of like signing one.

 

[flyerhawk]

For sure. No clue who the top DEs even are for this off-season's free agent market, but I can't think we'll be in the running. If we are lucky enough to get a full (or close to it) season out of Uchenna next year, that will be sort of like signing one.

The DL has been pretty good this year when healthy. The challenge had been the LBs not closing running lanes, which constantly put the defense behind the schedule. Not defense can be effective if they are constantly in 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 1.

 

[JMR]

The DL has been pretty good this year when healthy. The challenge had been the LBs not closing running lanes, which constantly put the defense behind the schedule. Not defense can be effective if they are constantly in 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 1.

Evaluation of our front 7 play for the season probably has to be focused on games after Ernest Jones came on board to be most accurate. It's definitely looked different overall the past 4 games than most of the previous 7. Would be great to see what it looks like as a fully healthy group.

 

[MrS]

Seahawks are not spending big. Resign Jones try to extend a couple of players and then some bargain basement shopping. That's it.

I agree they wont, but since we are talking about i figured why not explore the slim possibilities.
I dont really see any FAs that they'd even consider signing.

Also, when did Dickson become lil Jeff feagles corner kicking his punts?

 

[flyerhawk]

I agree they wont, but since we are talking about i figured why not explore the slim possibilities.
I dont really see any FAs that they'd even consider signing.

Also, when did Dickson become lil Jeff feagles corner kicking his punts?

It was funny listening to Dirty Sanchez bad mouth Dickson during the broadcast. This might not be his best season ever but I can't think of a single punt of his that I thought was a clunker.

 

[MrS]

It was funny listening to Dirty Sanchez bad mouth Dickson during the broadcast. This might not be his best season ever but I can't think of a single punt of his that I thought was a clunker.

I was at the game so i didnt hear any of it, i thought Dixon had some great punts pinning the cards inside their own 10 multiple times. I think one was inside the 5 but negated by a penalty.
I dont know how well remember feagles is but he was legendary with his corner kicks and ive always wondered why you don't really see punters corner kicking anymore.
I wonder how much influence harbaugh has there, he seems to be doing a great job with special teams

 

[flyerhawk]

I was at the game so i didnt hear any of it, i thought Dixon had some great punts pinning the cards inside their own 10 multiple times. I think one was inside the 5 but negated by a penalty.
I dont know how well remember feagles is but he was legendary with his corner kicks and ive always wondered why you don't really see punters corner kicking anymore.
I wonder how much influence harbaugh has there, he seems to be doing a great job with special teams

I think most punters want to put it in the corner. The risk, of course, is that if you slightly shank it, it's a 20 yard punt.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I think most punters want to put it in the corner. The risk, of course, is that if you slightly shank it, it's a 20 yard punt.

Also probably depends how good your coverage unit is. If you have good tacklers and a good special teams, there's probably some advantage to booting it right down the middle and looking for penalties (holding/block in the back) or fumbles. I would imagine special teams coordinators are constantly taking stuff like that into account.

I've been pretty impressed with Seattle's punt/kick coverage this year. We're about middle of the road for punt return yardage allowed per attempt (and partly could be because Dickson is a beast and players just can't chase down the bombs he produces), but we're leading the NFL with kick return average yards allowed per attempt!

 

[Screamin12th]

First off all they cant continue to "basement shop" in FA. They have to go middle of the road for proven quality "not star" players. picking from the bottom of the pile will leave them in the same situation they have been in the past 5+ years and is such a TR move. Band-aid after fooking band-aid! And not even the flexible ones lol.

If they want to improve the Oline they will have to spend a little money, no if ands or buts about it. I think they could grab a couple middle of the road "Younger" guys that teams let hit FA because they dont see them worth the Big dollars it would take to keep them. Then my "WANT" in the draft is LB Jalon Walker, Georgia and maybe someone like Nick Emmanwori, South Carolina to play a box SS role ( 6-3 227 ). I dont think LB Jones is a must sign if the money is to high.

 

[MrS]

First off all they cant continue to "basement shop" in FA. They have to go middle of the road for proven quality "not star" players. picking from the bottom of the pile will leave them in the same situation they have been in the past 5+ years and is such a TR move. Band-aid after fooking band-aid! And not even the flexible ones lol.

If they want to improve the Oline they will have to spend a little money, no if ands or buts about it. I think they could grab a couple middle of the road "Younger" guys that teams let hit FA because they dont see them worth the Big dollars it would take to keep them. Then my "WANT" in the draft is LB Jalon Walker, Georgia and maybe someone like Nick Emmanwori, South Carolina to play a box SS role ( 6-3 227 ). I dont think LB Jones is a must sign if the money is to high.

Are you ready to pay 22-25m per year for a guard? Because i seriously doubt schneider is.

 

[flyerhawk]

First off all they cant continue to "basement shop" in FA. They have to go middle of the road for proven quality "not star" players. picking from the bottom of the pile will leave them in the same situation they have been in the past 5+ years and is such a TR move. Band-aid after fooking band-aid! And not even the flexible ones lol.

If they want to improve the Oline they will have to spend a little money, no if ands or buts about it. I think they could grab a couple middle of the road "Younger" guys that teams let hit FA because they dont see them worth the Big dollars it would take to keep them. Then my "WANT" in the draft is LB Jalon Walker, Georgia and maybe someone like Nick Emmanwori, South Carolina to play a box SS role ( 6-3 227 ). I dont think LB Jones is a must sign if the money is to high.

I would rather they spend money on some OL scouts that can find someone to play the interior.