2024 Season Thread

[Sharkonabicycle]

What does everyone want out of this season? Playoff? No Playoffs but look good? Look real good but Geno sinks the ship? Not joking with that one because it's a better sign for the teams future as a whole.

I'd prefer they come in like 3rd in the division with no shot at the playoffs (so maybe 7 wins, but you go backwards from last year) and then blow some things up in the offseason, take your lumps, and restart in 2026. I say 2026 because next year's draft sucks, and we are in a horrendous cap situation. Cut a number of people that are vastly overpaid and have gone through way too many restructures, take it on the chin, and reset. And when you reset invest in the lines and find a new QB. And that's not an unfamiliar process. Pete/John blew everything up after his first year and reset and it worked wonders. They had a great cap situation and were able to go get free agents they wanted.

What I don't want is Seattle eeks out another 9-8 season or barely makes/misses the playoffs, and with the crap cap next year Schneider tries to do another patchwork on the line and we're just stuck in mediocrity while restructuring more players for another shit cap situation in 2026+. Probably while also trading away more draft capital for the 'missing piece' in 2025... all the while drafting another DB or WR in 2025....

I know we beat the 9ers so everyone is a little high, but frankly we should've lost that game. The Hawks did nothing until Bosa went out and the 9ers blew another late game lead. The 9ers had 9 penalties that game and just looked sloppy in general. Now I'll take the win because it's important for the young guys on that team and I'm not of the 'tank the season' variety... but what I fear is Seattle is going to be 'close' to the playoffs or barely squeeze in and then Schneider is going to patchwork the OL again, Geno gets extended, a bunch of guys restructure, and we're just stuck in 8-9/9-8 territory for the next 4-5 years.

Mind you our first 3 wins were against completely decimated teams or ones not very talented. We barely won against New England. Swap the schedule a bit and if it's not for the 9ers laying an egg this could be a 2-8 team.

 

[JMR]

I remember during the Holmgren era when we were begging him to use more shotgun. A football generation later, we're begging for more snaps under center. Sorta funny how things cycle around.

 

[MrS]

Swap the schedule a bit and if it's not for the 9ers laying an egg this could be a 2-8 team.

A few bounces our way and we could be 7-3 and headed for a division championship, if you want to play that game

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Hopefully the Seahawks have no interest:

 

[MrS]

Can he play OL?

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I actually really liked Jones coming out of college. The guy threw for 24 TDs his first season and was almost a 90 QB rating and was decent with a weapon like Barkley on the field. The Giants then proceeded to give him 3-4 new head coaches AND offensive coordinators within the last 5 (?) years he's been on the team. The New York Giants FO is a complete mess, and they threw Daniel Jones into a dumpster fire IMO... Everyone raves about Pat Mahomes... well it's pretty fuckin' easy to succeed when you have the best offensive minded coach in possibly NFL history leading the regime...

In Daniel Jones' 2nd year he was the 2nd leading rusher and only 200 yards behind the LEADING runningback/rusher on the team... wtf? I'm sorry but the Giants did NOTHING to help that guy. Barkley of course was injured the entire season.

As for bringing him in... eh. I mean if it's the league minimum might as well. At least he's used to a trash OL.

 

[JMR]

It's tough to damn a player too much for not succeeding in a shitty organization like NYG. We have see teams like those ruin QBs time after time over the years. A lesser expensive, second chance guy like Jones might be an option in the off-season, but it doesn't seem we have a situation here now where bringing him in mid-season makes sense. But come March? Yeah, why not kick the tires? He isn't Mahomes, but you're also not going to be able to sign Mahomes in free agency for a discounted cost. Put Jones behind a capable OL (maybe an issue here, we'll see) and surround him with some weapons (which we have), and I think the floor is adequate.

 

[Screamin12th]

Jones was in a bad situation and even so he has 4+ games of 100+ Rated QB play. Geno has played more games than him this year and only has 2. I am not saying go out and get Jones now ( Not for that cost )but like JMR said he is worth picking up in the offseason. We have all seen Jones play well, We have all seen Jones lead his team to victory because of his ability. I think on a team with highly talented skill players like the Hawks have he could succeed. His Floor i feel is higher than Geno's and his ceiling is also higher.

Geno took a step forward in his play and i believe if Jones could do the same he turns into a viable starter, just not for the money he would be paid if we pick him up during this season. He was one of the main reasons the Giants beat Seattle in Seattle.

 

[Screamin12th]

I would be VERY happy to have Jones here competing for the #1 job after this season ends. That guy is a BEAST to tackle and his strength would remove a sack at least per game. He is hard to bring down. He also is good at moving around and when he breaks the pocket he is once again hard to tackle.

 

[Anointed One]

I would be very surprised if Daniel Jones doesn’t get signed for over 40 million a year with a new contract by a team. Would we really want to pay that if that’s the case?

 

[MrS]

I would be VERY happy to have Jones here competing for the #1 job after this season ends. That guy is a BEAST to tackle and his strength would remove a sack at least per game. He is hard to bring down. He also is good at moving around and when he breaks the pocket he is once again hard to tackle.

he makes even more bone headed mistakes than geno does, hard pass.

 

[JMR]

I am not saying go out and get Jones now ( Not for that cost )but like JMR said he is worth picking up in the offseason.

Geno's scheduled cap hit for 2025 is $38.5M. I don't know that Jones is at the top of my list for QB targets in the off-season, but if the choice is Geno at that price or Jones for half, then let's go with the guy who is much cheaper and 7 years younger.

I would be very surprised if Daniel Jones doesn’t get signed for over 40 million a year with a new contract by a team. Would we really want to pay that if that’s the case?

The year 1 cap hit certainly will not be anywhere near that amount. I bet it's a shorter term thing where he is essentially getting a chance to play into a better one -- maybe a 2 or 3 year deal, with year 1 cap hit of no more than 15M.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I would be VERY happy to have Jones here competing for the #1 job after this season ends. That guy is a BEAST to tackle and his strength would remove a sack at least per game. He is hard to bring down. He also is good at moving around and when he breaks the pocket he is once again hard to tackle.

Fuck no! He's not very good, not accurate, gets rattled very easily. By far he's worse than Geno.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Fuck no! He's not very good, not accurate, gets rattled very easily. By far he's worse than Geno.

His arm has gone limp, can't throw it down field anymore, and would be a down grade to Geno. Sam Howell is looking better to me at 1.1 million as a bridge to the next QB in 2026.

 

[JMR]

His arm has gone limp, can't throw it down field anymore, and would be a down grade to Geno. Sam Howell is looking better to me at 1.1 million as a bridge to the next QB in 2026.

I think there is a solid chance Howell is the 2025 starter, but I also know for sure there will be at least 1 more QB on the team.... and it's probably not Geno. I would be surprised if it isn't someone else with starting experience since Howell only played as a rookie last year. Free agency also happens before the draft, so the chronology of that factors in as well.

 

[Anointed One]

Geno's scheduled cap hit for 2025 is $38.5M. I don't know that Jones is at the top of my list for QB targets in the off-season, but if the choice is Geno at that price or Jones for half, then let's go with the guy who is much cheaper and 7 years younger.



The year 1 cap hit certainly will not be anywhere near that amount. I bet it's a shorter term thing where he is essentially getting a chance to play into a better one -- maybe a 2 or 3 year deal, with year 1 cap hit of no more than 15M.

I don't know... I feel there may be teams that will value him high and will drive the price tag/terms up by bidding on his services... Some teams may think they can fix him and like some here, believe he didn't have a good cast around him... Either could be the case.... I feel he will get a decent contract for a starting QB... Last year, at the age of 33, Carr wasn't the greatest but signed a 4 year 150 million contract... Jones is 27yrs old and considered in his prime, which is why I think teams will drive his price tag/terms up... I would be surprised if he signs a Gardner Minshew type of contract... I just feel he will get more than that... Just my opinion...

I guess I'm just out because I didn't think highly of him coming out of college and he hasn't done anything to sway my opinion one way or another...

 

[Anointed One]

I think there is a solid chance Howell is the 2025 starter, but I also know for sure there will be at least 1 more QB on the team.... and it's probably not Geno. I would be surprised if it isn't someone else with starting experience since Howell only played as a rookie last year. Free agency also happens before the draft, so the chronology of that factors in as well.

I think you could be right... I would honestly be surprised if Geno is still on the team... I don't feel like the Hawks would want to hamstring themselves with him as the starter moving forward... Not after they traded for Sam Howell... I'd rather us see what we have in Howell as starter rather than giving Geno another year as the starter... It's all about finding our future QB moving forward imo...

 

[Anointed One]

His arm has gone limp, can't throw it down field anymore, and would be a down grade to Geno. Sam Howell is looking better to me at 1.1 million as a bridge to the next QB in 2026.

I agree... Hard no for me as well... Way too inconsistent for me with 5 years of NFL exp under his belt.. Like you, I think he'd be a down grade to Geno...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I don't know... I feel there may be teams that will value him high and will drive the price tag/terms up by bidding on his services... Some teams may think they can fix him and like some here, believe he didn't have a good cast around him... Either could be the case.... I feel he will get a decent contract for a starting QB... Last year, at the age of 33, Carr wasn't the greatest but signed a 4 year 150 million contract... Jones is 27yrs old and considered in his prime, which is why I think teams will drive his price tag/terms up... I would be surprised if he signs a Gardner Minshew type of contract... I just feel he will get more than that... Just my opinion...

I guess I'm just out because I didn't think highly of him coming out of college and he hasn't done anything to sway my opinion one way or another...

I'd be surprised if he lands a big contract because his play last couple of years been sub par, but more then Minshew? Could be, but it will be a prove type contract IMO.

 

[Anointed One]

I'd be surprised if he lands a big contract because his play last couple of years been sub par, but more then Minshew? Could be, but it will be a prove type contract IMO.

yeah, I think Minshew got a 25 million contract...