2023 Rosterbation

[Mays-Fan]

Respect for the optimism, but this is not happening.

Sympathy for your pessimism, but you don't have a crystal ball either. That is the magic of sports. The longer the shot, the sweeter the victory.

 

[msgkings322]

But wasn't it the Giants who nixed the deal? If so, there is no conspiracy angle.

Sure, it appears they didn't like his physical and maybe he'll be a bad contract for the Mets with constant injuries. I'm just thinking overall they need to completely strip it down and do what other teams do. They never do that.

It is also the city itself, they just can't get star players to sign here especially hitters. But no matter who's fault it is, this current roster isn't doing jack shit this year. Probably win 81 again, they have literally one very good player (Webb) and the rest are meh.

 

[filosofy29]

You know the 'rule of thumb' that says a fan should wait 5 years after winning a title before they can start to rag on their team? Well it's been over 8 years, and since it was more titles that makes sense. But I'm done making excuses, these guys don't know what they are doing, FZ is not a good GM, and right now the Giants don't appear to want to do what it takes to truly compete.

I do not expect anything notable from these guys for a while.

Wait until msg gets here and reads this, he’s gonna light you up…..

 

[msgkings322]

Sympathy for your pessimism, but you don't have a crystal ball either. That is the magic of sports. The longer the shot, the sweeter the victory.

Like I said, good for you. The longer the shot, the less likely the victory is also true.

I have facts on my side, you have hopes.

 

[msgkings322]

Wait until msg gets here and reads this, he’s gonna light you up…..

Things change. This is not a good team.

 

[msgkings322]

The tear-down needed to happen 5 years ago. Doing it now is probably needed, but it makes me feel like we are the Pirates or the Rays (or, gasp, the A’s).

I wish we were the Rays in terms of smart front offices. Think of what the Rays could do with our payroll.

 

[LHG]

So, somewhere between first and last place, right?

I'd say 2nd to 4th place. I don't expect the Dodgers to be a 100 win team in 2023 but the Padres may have a shot at it. I won't bother to analyze their roster but I'd think that their WAR projections look pretty good.

Keep in mind that I was pretty optimistic on 2023 WAR projections for the high side. I think this team's most realistic goal is just north of .500.

 

[filosofy29]

I don’t have the athletic, but just in case y’all do:

 

[Mays-Fan]

I have facts on my side, you have hopes.

Facts would include history. And history is replete with teams in all sports who stocked themselves with high-paid players and fell short, and also with teams who to vary degrees defied the odds and took home the title.

 

[msgkings322]

Facts would include history. And history is replete with teams in all sports who stocked themselves with high-paid players and fell short, and also with teams who to vary degrees defied the odds and took home the title.

History is even more replete with mediocre teams who don't win anything. We'll see what happens. I'm pretty confident.

 

[msgkings322]

I don’t have the athletic, but just in case y’all do:

So it wasn't a failed physical?

 

[Robotech]

Besides Barrys (Bonds and Zito), big time free agents never sign here.

 

[Robotech]

I wish we were the Rays in terms of smart front offices. Think of what the Rays could do with our payroll.

I'll accept whatever the Astros are doing.

 

[calsnowskier]

At the end of the day (decade?), it is probably best we lost out on CC. At least in the bubble of on-field play. But this just looks BAD. Constantly being the focus team who lost out on a player creates an image for an organization.

We were the #2 team for Stanton.
We were the #2 team for Ohtani.
We were the #2 team for Harper.
We were the #2 team for Judge.
We were the #2 team for Correa.
We were the #2 team for Suzuki.

And the meantime, we were used By Rodon to build his image to go to a real team.
And the meantime, we were used By Gausman to build his image to go to a real team.

The Giants now have the rep as a transition team that doesn’t want to field a winner (or worse, doesn’t know how). And as a die-hard fan, I can’t argue against that take.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I don’t have the athletic, but just in case y’all do:

Beware the spin of the agent.

What's he gonna say? "Yeah, my guy is damaged goods, so I don't blame the Giants for backing out."?

 

[calsnowskier]

Beware the spin of the agent.

What's he gonna say? "Yeah, my guy is damaged goods, so I don't blame the Giants for backing out."?

Sure. 100%.


But his story tracks. Everything we saw actually happen fits into that narrative. Sure. Maybe (likely?) CC is damaged goods and will only provide 2+ seasons of average/above average play and will go the Prince Fielder route and medically retire with 5 years left on the deal. But the Giants played the game by creating the image/expectation that this was a done deal. Right up until about 30 mins before the official presser to announce the actual signing.

That is just really bad PR. Almost to the point of incompetence.

 

[Mays-Fan]

It is also the city itself, they just can't get star players to sign here

I live on the East Coast, and suffice it to say that San Francisco as a city has a bad reputation that is getting "progressive"ly worse with no end in sight. Not gonna get into the specifics or the reasons for that here - that is a topic for another forum.

When you lose out on TWO separate deals to a sh##hole like NYC, a bell should go off in your head.

 

[msgkings322]

I'll accept whatever the Astros are doing.

They tore it down bigly and stacked prospects. They were terrible for 3 years. I don't think the Giants have ever been willing to do it that way.

 

[LHG]

They tore it down bigly and stacked prospects. They were terrible for 3 years. I don't think the Giants have ever been willing to do it that way.

2005-2008 was pretty rough but it helped the team draft and acquire the core 2010-2014 teams. Its time to go through 2005-2008 again.

 

[Robotech]

They tore it down bigly and stacked prospects. They were terrible for 3 years. I don't think the Giants have ever been willing to do it that way.

Good point. And the draft is tough to get right. Giants will select the Tony Torcato over the CC Sabathia. The Giants' image looks terrible right now. Who knows what they'll do? Diehards will be there regardless, but now maybe they lose all of the casual fans.