I think we also had some players with significant down years that should bounce back and contribute more, eg, Craw, Disco, Yaz. There's 3-4 WAR there at least.
We didn’t have a single player who played out of their mind except Rodon (and MAYBE Cobb). Everyone else played at or below reasonable expectations.
Plus, we acquired Manaea and Haniger with a total WAR here of 0.4.
Craw is getting old. It seems more unreasonable to think he'll bounce back than that he will continue to slide with the bat (but 2021). Disco is injury prone. Not sure he is a safe bet to think he'll bounce back with a good 2023. Yaz is unknown. He is not young but he came out of nowhere to produce when the Giants first got him.
But all that is thinking 2021 will happen again. Not sure 90-72 is the team floor as of right now. However, its not impossible to picture this team contending either.
No. No it's not. The sky is not falling, and there aren't unicorns farting rainbows either. It's just being middle ground reasonable - that's what I do. I didn't say we're going to win 107 games to lead the majors. Just 90+. That's a long way from 107.
Maybe Dans could play 1B? LOL.
I don’t think we can EXPECT 4 WAR from him, but we certainly can hope for it. He looked very promising last year, but I don’t trust it, just yet, enough to get my hopes too high.
Serious question: I was curious about the WAR stat in general. If one were to add up all the WARs for everyone, do they net to zero?
Just noticed Andrew Chafin is a lefty (good!), but he actually pitches slightly better against RHH. He could help a lot as a setup guy. But he made $6.5mm last year, so he could be expensive. He dropped off a bit in 2022. 2/12?
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Somebody here has been stumping for Chafin the last couple months (you? LHG?). I would be fine with a 2/12 for him. His numbers in ‘22 were slightly better against righties than lefties, but not by enough to really mention based on the SSS that is built into relievers numbers. The problem with him being a lefty is that Rogers is also a lefty, and the Giants are naturally linked to him as well. I am not certain that signing TWO lefty relievers is needed.Just noticed Andrew Chafin is a lefty (good!), but he actually pitches slightly better against RHH. He could help a lot as a setup guy. But he made $6.5mm last year, so he could be expensive. He dropped off a bit in 2022. 2/12?
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Andrew Chafin 2022 Pitching splits statistics including season totals, platoon splits, home and away stats, clutch situations and more on Baseball-Reference.com
WAR is a very strange stat. I think it is a good player to player comparison but trying to add up all the players' WAR numbers won't give you an estimated win number for the team. The idea is how much better is that particular player compared to a replacement level player (i.e. league average). It can be fun to use in discussions like ours but has its obvious limitations.Serious question: I was curious about the WAR stat in general. If one were to add up all the WARs for everyone, do they net to zero?
Not so serious: If not, then what is it good for?
It has been Mays-Fan. I haven't really delved into the relief market to see who is worth signing. Its a pretty shallow depth, from a cursory glance. Of course, deep markets netted us Melancon and we all know how that worked out.
You mean the guy who, throughout his career, has pitched like a stud at EVERY stop, save for one?
Yeah, THAT Melancon. The guy I was all for signing because he was that good before being signed and was going to be cheaper than the other big name closers.
