2022-2023 NBA Season Thread

[fightinfunbags]

He's a defensive player. Standard 3 and D.

Sure. He’s just not a very good one. He’s at best the 5th or 6th option on a real contender.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The Nets are slowly turning handfuls of emeralds into handfuls of dust with their increasingly bad trades, and Kyrie holding them at gunpoint is not going to help matters. Franchise in total meltdown IMO.

Just a month ago they were playing like the best team in the league.

This is 100 percent on Kyrie.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I understand that but he still has enough upside to warrant not being a salary dump.

There's no way they trade Simmons and Kyrie to LA.

Maybe for both 1sts but sending Kyrie there with Ben would guarantee those picks likely being shitty

I wouldn’t be surprised if Simmons plays out this contract and then leaves the game.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sure. He’s just not a very good one. He’s at best the 5th or 6th option on a real contender.

I have no idea what his trade value is. I suspect he's more valuable to Dallas than he is as a trade chip.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I have no idea what his trade value is. I suspect he's more valuable to Dallas than he is as a trade chip.

He’s expendable in a deal to get Kyrie.

 

[Shanemansj13]

How can you say that with the history?

I don’t worry about that as much with Lebron and he is signed long-term like he wants. The Lakers are one of the few teams where they can make it work. Of course there will always be questions with his history but the are wasting Lebron’s last years

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

DFS is a lesser RoCo for me.

Definitely.

I could live with RoCo, Kennard, Reggie/Wall and pick for a Kyrie type player.

But, Wall and Simmons is as bad as Simmons and Westbrook.

Reggie, Curry, Patty are redundant.

Luke is a great shooter.

But, he’s fucking Steve Kerr, minus the accolades.

You can’t build a trade for a star player around budget Steve Kerr and I don’t want to give them Powell.

Id rather have Conley.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Definitely.

I could live with RoCo, Kennard, Reggie/Wall and pick for a Kyrie type player.

But, Wall and Simmons is as bad as Simmons and Westbrook.

Reggie, Curry, Patty are redundant.

Luke is a great shooter.

But, he’s fucking Steve Kerr, minus the accolades.

You can’t build a trade for a star player around budget Steve Kerr and I don’t want to give them Powell.

Id rather have Conley.

The Lakers NEED to make a big move.
The Clippers don’t. They can minor moves here and there. The Clippers shouldn’t have to risk or commit to anything bc they are contenders as of right now imo. The Lakers aren’t…they need to take more risk.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

The Lakers NEED to make a big move.
The Clippers don’t. They can minor moves here and there. The Clippers shouldn’t have to risk or commit to anything bc they are contenders as of right now imo. The Lakers aren’t…they need to take more risk.

They do.

But, a calculated risk.

My Guy, it’s Kyrie Irving.

He is blowing up a contender because he wants a ironclad contract that does not hold him accountable for the duration.

He is saying NO STIPULATIONS.

ZERO.

Fuck that.

He might be the best talent available.

But, he isn’t the ONLY ONE.

Lakers fucked themselves by not doing the Indy deal.

Utah, Charlotte are still in play.

Lesser, sure.

But, Conley, Vanderbilt, Beasley addresses all their needs without bringing in a malcontent.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Simmons plays out this contract and then leaves the game.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled a Larry Sanders.

Ben Simmons is Jamarcus Russell.

Has the physical tools to get drafted at the top.

But, no desire to actually be great and no mental fortitude to endure the lows.

They just want the lifestyle.

 

[thunderc]

Based on how this entire situation has gone for the Nets, I fully expect them to not be able to make a deal, it just would be too clean.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled a Larry Sanders.

Ben Simmons is Jamarcus Russell.

Has the physical tools to get drafted at the top.

But, no desire to actually be great and no mental fortitude to endure the lows.

They just want the lifestyle.

Pretty solid comparison. Bonus points for both being LSU.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Lakers NEED to make a big move.
The Clippers don’t. They can minor moves here and there. The Clippers shouldn’t have to risk or commit to anything bc they are contenders as of right now imo. The Lakers aren’t…they need to take more risk.

Rozier is a much smarter trade.

Better defender and not much worse offensively. Will have no issue bring #3.

Irving ? No way he happy with being #3 on offense....

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Oof.

 

[The Q]

He is that type of guy though.

May spend the next 4-5 years in China if he doesn't get what he wants. And yes I know he won't make as much in China.

But he can have his own brand there like Marbury…

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

He's a defensive player. Standard 3 and D.

Yeah, @fightinfunbags nailed him as RoCo 2.0

 

[Shanemansj13]

They do.

But, a calculated risk.

My Guy, it’s Kyrie Irving.

He is blowing up a contender because he wants a ironclad contract that does not hold him accountable for the duration.

He is saying NO STIPULATIONS.

ZERO.

Fuck that.

He might be the best talent available.

But, he isn’t the ONLY ONE.

Lakers fucked themselves by not doing the Indy deal.

Utah, Charlotte are still in play.

Lesser, sure.

But, Conley, Vanderbilt, Beasley addresses all their needs without bringing in a malcontent.

I absolutely agree but even with all this is a golden opportunity for LA. You can turn Russ and picks into the best 3rd option in the NBA. Rob can make up for the Russ move and more with one trade. The Lakers have limited assets and this is away to maximize those. They now have less cap this offseason with the Rui trade, it’s unlikely they can sign another somewhat big name. I understand there is risk, a ton of risk, but there was risk with the Russ move. They shit the bed. If Rob doesn’t make a move he is going to be in the same place he is now…not contending.

 

[thunderc]

Oof.

#baddecisions

 

[trojanfan12]

Exactly.

This guy is a moron for blowing up the Nets without a backup,plan in place.

Yeah, it would seem that the smart move would have been to have his agent contact teams through back channels to find out if anyone is willing to give him what he wants.

Now he has to hope someone will just say "fuck it" and take a gamble.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I absolutely agree but even with all this is a golden opportunity for LA. You can turn Russ and picks into the best 3rd option in the NBA. Rob can make up for the Russ move and more with one trade. The Lakers have limited assets and this is away to maximize those. They now have less cap this offseason with the Rui trade, it’s unlikely they can sign another somewhat big name. I understand there is risk, a ton of risk, but there was risk with the Russ move. They shit the bed. If Rob doesn’t make a move he is going to be in the same place he is now…not contending.

Even if they make the Kyrie move I would put them at 50/50 being a real contender because of the high risk in AD or LeBron getting injured by the time April and May roll around.