2019 Offseason Thread

[DJ Fieri]

Gonna be hot here.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes i disagree

what years do you think picks in the teens had a higher success rate than the top 5 picks from the same draft?

 

[dtgold88]

Point is stars are not only drafted in top 5 which been wiggy main sticking point....

while I've seen him claim it's easier to find talent in the top 5 (which most objective person would think) I can't say I ever saw him say they are ONLY taken in the top 5.

If he did, that's a foolish statement.

 

[DJ Fieri]

While Kyle Kuzma is no star, he certainly is a good player and wasn't a top 5-10 pick and he's had a far better career than say a player like Anthony Bennett....

 

[DJ Fieri]

Hell, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball have already had better careers than AB.

 

[dtgold88]

Hell, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball have already had better careers than AB.

If they give me a shot, I might, too.

 

[DJ Fieri]

That place is awesome @Wamu.....funny as fuck.

 

[DJ Fieri]

If they give me a shot, I might, too.

Good luck.

 

[dtgold88]

Good luck.

6-0, 185, 49 years old, white/Jewish, feathery soft jumper with limited dribbling/jumping skills? If I don't get a fair shot at the very least I have a lawsuit on my hands.

 

[DJ Fieri]

6-0, 185, 49 years old, white/Jewish, feathery soft jumper with limited dribbling/jumping skills? If I don't get a fair shot at the very least I have a lawsuit on my hands.

 

[trojanfan12]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...leonard-handled-his-decision-report-says/amp/

If this is real (I don't completely trust Windhorst), then both the Lakers and Raptors need to stfu.

If Kawhi "played them", I doubt it was intentional.

From what has been reported out here, it sounds like he Clippers were his first choice, but he wasn't going there alone.

It's been reported that he didn't want to do the "super team" thing, but the Lakers were in the running if the Clips couldn't get another star because, end of the day, he still wanted to be in L.A. Heck, from what has been reported, he was the one who asked the teams involved to delay the AD trade going through while he tried to decide.

Maybe the Raptors have a semi-legit complaint, but from what's been reported, he may have stayed (at least on 1+1) if they could have traded for another star.

End of the day, there were 3 teams trying to get him and he could only sign with one, so 2 were going to be disappointed.

All 3 made their pitches, he gave them time to do what they needed and the Clips were able to come closest to what he was looking for.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Not necessarily.

my point has, is and always will be that the higher you draft the chances of finding a better player increase.

A couple years ago i did an analysis on this site that about 40% of top 5 picks go on to make at least 1 all star game game.

That percentage STEEPLY STEEPLY STEEPLY FALLS OFF A CLIFF as you keep going down the draft board.

 

[dtgold88]

my point has, is and always will be that the higher you draft the chances of finding a better player increase.

A couple years ago i did an analysis on this site that about 40% of top 5 picks go on to make at least 1 all star game game.

That percentage STEEPLY STEEPLY STEEPLY FALLS OFF A CLIFF as you keep going down the draft board.

and while I haven't been hear nearly as long as most, this is really all I've heard you say on the subject.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think that I found you will find more all stars from picks 1-7 then you will from picks 8-60.

 

[WiggyRuss]

and while I haven't been hear nearly as long as most, this is really all I've heard you say on the subject.

Series Thread: - 2) Cleveland Cavaliers vs 7) Indiana Pacers

Number of high level NBA players taken outside the top 10 in a draft sample from 2001 to 2012 (2013 on is prob. premature to get into at this point):
Tony Parker
Klay Thomspon
Kawhi Leonard
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green

There are how many selections outside the top ten in a draft? 11-60 right? so thats 49 picks

49 picks x 12 drafts = 588 ---- 5 high level players taken outside the top ten out of 588 picks.

Chances of getting a HIGH level All Star player outside the top 10? 0.085%


High Level Players Taken inside the top 5:
Bron
Wade
Bosh
CP
Dwight
Durant
Westbrook
Rose (ehh-- he won an MVP had ot have him)
Love
Harden
Wall
Irving
Davis

13.......12 drafts x 5 top 5 picks in each draft= 60 selections....13 went on to become high level all stars

chances of getting a HIGH level All Star player INSIDE the top 5: 13/60= 21.66%


So--- less than a 1% chance to get a high level all star outside the top 10.

Greater than a 20% chance of getting a high level all star inside the top 5.

borderline players you could hae included in either group possibly:
Group Top 5:
Pau
Yao
Deron Williams
DeMarcus Cousins

Group Outside top 10:
Milsap
Marc Gasol

 

[WiggyRuss]

Basically-

So--- less than a 1% chance to get a high level all star outside the top 10.

Greater than a 20% chance of getting a high level all star inside the top 5.

 

[Black Adam]

my point has, is and always will be that the higher you draft the chances of finding a better player increase.

A couple years ago i did an analysis on this site that about 40% of top 5 picks go on to make at least 1 all star game game.

That percentage STEEPLY STEEPLY STEEPLY FALLS OFF A CLIFF as you keep going down the draft board.

draft is a crapshoot either way...

but hey, good luck to the Cavs' "master plan"...

 

[dtgold88]

Basically-

So--- less than a 1% chance to get a high level all star outside the top 10.

Greater than a 20% chance of getting a high level all star inside the top 5.

Didn't need to sell me. Can't really understand why it's even debated.

 

[dtgold88]

draft is a crapshoot either way...

but hey, good luck to the Cavs' "master plan"...

sure it is, but more of a crapshoot outside the top 5.

 

[Black Adam]

Hell, Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball have already had better careers than AB.

Ain't he trying to get back in the league...?