2017 NBA Offseason Thread

[knowyourenemy]

I'll hold the shooting ability discussion until Simmons actually gets some live game minutes.

You keep going off track. What does Simmons' shot have to do with Ball's flawed mechanics?

 

[shopson67]

You keep going off track. What does Simmons' shot have to do with Ball's flawed mechanics?

Like anything you type about the Lakers isn't a comparison to your Sixers, lol. You're very transparent.

Just remember how critical you were over two summer league games when/if Simmons plays some regular season games and can't/won't shoot. Glass houses.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Like anything you type about the Lakers isn't a comparison to your Sixers, lol. You're very transparent.

Just remember how critical you were over two summer league games when/if Simmons plays some regular season games and can't/won't shoot. Glass houses.

The criticism of Lonzo's shot has nothing to do with the Summer League games. Many people, including myself, didn't like his shot mechanics coming out of college. It's not surprising that he'd have some struggles with it in his first game against professional opponents.

And no, I don't try to compare the 76ers to the Lakers (although sometimes it's inevitable when sensitive Lakers fans try to defend the Lakers by comparing them to the 76ers.)

 

[bksballer89]

Trade makes sense for both sides....

Carroll was a horrible contract. That pick is going to be mid 20s.

Yeah but after the mess Billy King created with the Celtics trade it is nice to see Marks find his way into the first round in now 2 consecutive years.

 

[tlance]

Yeah but after the mess Billy King created with the Celtics trade it is nice to see Marks find his way into the first round in now 2 consecutive years.

I agree.

Good for the Nets. Also good for the Raptors.

 

[bksballer89]

Forgot that marks also acquired a 2016 first round pick as well.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Yeah but after the mess Billy King created with the Celtics trade it is nice to see Marks find his way into the first round in now 2 consecutive years.

For basketball's sake, it would be nice to have one of the NY-based teams be semi-competent. Hopefully Marks can turn them around to where they're mildly competitive again.

 

[bksballer89]

For basketball's sake, it would be nice to have one of the NY-based teams be semi-competent. Hopefully Marks can turn them around to where they're mildly competitive again.

Yeah I miss attending playoffs games at Barclays.

 

[tlance]

I'm not backing off my predictions. Just stating a simple fact -- no one knows the future. I don't see any reason to believe that the Lakers have dramatically improved their team. They should have a top 10 pick again this year and possibly going forward. They need their young guys to improve and they need to sign a very good free agent (or two).

That is just it though.

The Lakers are going to be huge players in free agency now. There is no way around it. Ingram is ready to break out and Ball is the type of player that EVERYBODY will want to play with. It isn't even about how good he is, he moves the ball and finds guys when they are open. He will attract star players to LA. The presence of Magic, Kobe and the Laker history doesn't hurt either.

I will be shocked if LA does not land at least 1 free agent star next off season.

 

[tlance]

For basketball's sake, it would be nice to have one of the NY-based teams be semi-competent. Hopefully Marks can turn them around to where they're mildly competitive again.

Don't hold your breath. Won't happen any time soon.

They need to stay patient and recognize that the next 2 seasons are a lost cause already. They should be following the 6ers model and build with 2022 in mind. It will take at least that long.

If I were Marks, I would not have much interest in picks from 2018 playoff teams. I would be looking further out than that.

 

[knowyourenemy]

That is just it though.

The Lakers are going to be huge players in free agency now. There is no way around it. Ingram is ready to break out and Ball is the type of player that EVERYBODY will want to play with. It isn't even about how good he is, he moves the ball and finds guys when they are open. He will attract star players to LA. The presence of Magic, Kobe and the Laker history doesn't hurt either.

I will be shocked if LA does not land at least 1 free agent star next off season.

I'm not convinced that Ball and Ingram will be good enough in 2017-2018 to attract top level talent in the 2018 offseason. But the Lakers have money and will certainly be active players in free agency. I'm just not sure if they can land a star that actually moves the needle for them.

 

[DJ Fieri]

A James Harden four-year extension would start in 2019-20 at a salary of $37.8M, $40.8M, $43.8M and $46.8M. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0675433882937465554-4 …

By the end of this contract it could very well be a noose around their neck....

 

[Heatles84]

Wait. What does Toronto get out of that deal? You lose a good defender and starting wing along with a 1st rounder (along with a 2nd rounder) for a guy that's going to be in a suit more games. Is this a move for Toronto to stay under salary?

 

[Heatles84]

Well GL on your exam dude. I too plan on once again go on hiatus for awhile this fall. Going back to school to take a class in medical terminology in addition to my continued employment at my closest nursing home. Can't be a dietary aide my whole life. LOL

You're a dietary aide? The irony.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Wait. What does Toronto get out of that deal? You lose a good defender and starting wing along with a 1st rounder (along with a 2nd rounder) for a guy that's going to be in a suit more games. Is this a move for Toronto to stay under salary?

Carroll pretty much sucked last year and makes like $15 million per year. I'm not sure what their next move is -- but dumping Carroll and his contract is probably a good thing.

 

[bksballer89]

Wait. What does Toronto get out of that deal? You lose a good defender and starting wing along with a 1st rounder (along with a 2nd rounder) for a guy that's going to be in a suit more games. Is this a move for Toronto to stay under salary?

To be fair to Toronto, Carroll was a shit player since signing for them. I just didn't get losing both draft picks as well but from what I read this morning I think they also get a 10.8 trade exception.

 

[Heatles84]

Carroll pretty much sucked last year and makes like $15 million per year. I'm not sure what their next move is -- but dumping Carroll and his contract is probably a good thing.

Yeah, I knew his production dropped off a bit. But all of that for Justin Hamilton just seems like a bad trade. Additionally, although Carroll dropped a bit, he's only making $14-$15 mil per year and had two years left on his contract.

 

[Heatles84]

Somehow that dude really got to you guys.

Aren't you the same one that constantly bitches about handicappers? Anyhow, Wiggy-wam's not getting to anyone. Dude's just annoying and now he's getting what he's deserved. Ask @DJ and @Mecca what kind of guy he is. He's a cvnt.

 

[tlance]

I'm not convinced that Ball and Ingram will be good enough in 2017-2018 to attract top level talent in the 2018 offseason. But the Lakers have money and will certainly be active players in free agency. I'm just not sure if they can land a star that actually moves the needle for them.

It isn't his overall skill as much as it is his style of play. I have discussed at length why Westbrook and others like him are so difficult to play with. Lonzo Ball is the opposite of that. It is a good thing. Any scorer wants to team up with a PG who is constantly looking to get them the ball in favorable scoring opportunities. That is what Ball does.

 

[Heatles84]

Ouch