2015 NFL draft

[Pattersonca65]

“I’ve always said this – when the value is similar, you’re going to go with the need,” Baalke said. “When the value is not similar, if there is a guy you have rated extremely high and the next guy is a tier down from that or two tiers down, you’re not going to take that two-tiered guy that’s two tiers below because you need that position.”


yes, yes, yes!

unfortunately for us, we'll never know who our BPA's are? We're not 49er Assistant Coaches, not in the Personnel Department, don't know the schemes in detail, are not experience talent evaluators, ie simply not qualified despite what we think.

So for all the months leading up to the draft, all we can do is use Need.

My guess here cause I am not a football GM, but I don't think in football it is a simple choice between need and BPA. Teams always have more than a couple of needs, some needs are higher than others. I think it comes down to where a player fits on team needs versus how much better the other players are that are less of a need. Gms must develop some sort of a ranking system. I was a GM, I would try to do that. You don't always draft BPA. If you had a 25 year old Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck on your roster, would you use a top 5 pick on a QB if he was the BPA, of course not.

 

[darken65]

My guess here cause I am not a football GM, but I don't think in football it is a simple choice between need and BPA. Teams always have more than a couple of needs, some needs are higher than others. I think it comes down to where a player fits on team needs versus how much better the other players are that are less of a need. Gms must develop some sort of a ranking system. I was a GM, I would try to do that. You don't always draft BPA. If you had a 25 year old Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck on your roster, would you use a top 5 pick on a QB if he was the BPA, of course not.

This is obvious to most...the BPA of NEED. I hope the 9ers don't leave me scratching my head yet again for our early picks.

 

[purguy12]

This is obvious to most...the BPA of NEED. I hope the 9ers don't leave me scratching my head yet again for our early picks.

Yeah no surprise pick like ward last year. We need to hit a home run here.

 

[Gold Rush 86]

So many guys are on my radar Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler, Kevin White, Randy Gregory, Danny Shelton, Shane Ray, Trae Waynes, Amari Cooper, Devante Parker, Dorial Green-Beckham, Vic Beasley, Malcom Brown, Jalen Collins, Bud Dupree, Marcus Peters, Arik Armstead, Kevin Johnson, Jalen Strong and Eddie Goldman.

I would be fine if we went after anyone on this list. Of course some of these guys are top 5 picks and we have no shot at drafting them but maybe someone could fall and we cant pass them up. I dont feel like we need a beast OLB like Vic Beasley but if 49ers did draft him I would still be excited.

Pretty much the only way the 49ers could make me mad is if they drafted Brandon Scherff, Andrus Peat or La'el Collins. I dont feel we need to draft a guard or tackle in the 1st round.

 

[deep9er]

2015 NFL Mock Draft - Mock Drafts - Rotoworld.com


in this particular mock, how can we not take Davante Parker?

 

[purguy12]

2015 NFL Mock Draft - Mock Drafts - Rotoworld.com


in this particular mock, how can we not take Davante Parker?

I agree. Parker is there we are taking him.

 

[AU_Fever]

I agree. Parker is there we are taking him.

Agree. Especially with Boldin on his last year of his contract and his age.

 

[Gold Rush 86]

Breshad Perriman just killed it on his pro day. He was hand timed at 4.25 and 4.27. Think this helps him become a 1st round pick.

 

[Gold Rush 86]

15: R1P15
CB TRAE WAYNES
15: R1P15
46: R2P14
WR DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM
MISSOURI
79: R3P15
DT MARIO EDWARDS JR.
FLORIDA STATE
126: R4P27
RB AMEER ABDULLAH
NEBRASKA
132: R4P33
TE BEN KOYACK
NOTRE DAME
151: R5P15
ILB TAIWAN JONES
MICHIGAN STATE
189: R6P14
QB SEAN MANNION
OREGON STATE
246: R7P29
G JON FELICIANO
MIAMI
254: R7P37
CB JUSTIN COX
MISSISSIPPI STATE

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Agree. Especially with Boldin on his last year of his contract and his age.

Before T. Smith, I wasn't big on adding Parker as he doesn't have elite speed. With Smith in the fold, Parker becomes much more interesting. He can be Boldin's replacement next year and complement Smith's deep speed. Got to at least consider him if he's there. That said, I really like the WR talent that's likely to be there in the second. Particularly now that Perriman likely goes in the first round.

 

[deep9er]

Three value options for the 49ers' first-round pick - Inside the 49ers


This opinion by Cohn isn't so bad. I've always been for BPA, even if our CURRENT need doesn't reflect that position. Am taking "value" to mean "BPA" in this article. Our OT's look ok NOW with Staley and Davis, but IF they project Peat as a Pro Bowl LT, i'd still draft him. Things change too fast in the NFL, like at ILB. The year before RB looked crowded, but look how fast that changed?

Even though we signed Torrey Smith, if they project Perriman a Pro Bowler, fine drafting him too.

Peters is obvious cause he'd also fill one of our needs. So if its too close to call on value, Peters would be the easy pick. BTW - Not factoring in 'character' in this post cause didn't read on Peters, just going by the players he named.

BTW - Now i know we can't just go BPA blindly, no questions asked. But we should be close to that extreme with all our 1st round picks.

 

[EKmane]

If Danny Shelton is there, he'll be the pick. NT will be used more if we have a dominate one, and Shelton is. He can't be blocked one on one. Get excited about this pick, it's a gamechanger!

 

[Pattersonca65]

From ESPN Insider

Ahead of the 2015 NFL draft, Insider is providing guides for all 32 teams: biggest need positions from Football Outsiders, top prospect targets from scouts Steve Muench and Kevin Weidl and predictions on how everything will play out from our NFL Nation team reporters.
Included below are links to every team's article. This is the entry for the San Francisco 49ers.
Links to all 32 teams
Roster needs
Biggest need: Linebacker. The surprising retirements of Patrick Willis and Chris Borland left the 49ers with NaVorro Bowman (who missed all of 2014 with a knee injury) and Michael Wilhoite (on the trading block before Willis and Borland retired) as the top options inside. Behind them are 2013 sixth-rounder Nick Moody and Desmond Bishop, who has played just six games in the past three seasons. Outside, Aldon Smith's reworked contract has put his long-term future with the team in doubt.
Quiet need: Offensive line. All in all, the 49ers were a good run-blocking unit in 2014, finishing 10th in adjusted line yards. They ranked 19th in stuff rate, though, and dead last in short-yardage running. They were also 30th in adjusted sack rate. And then they lost Mike Iupati in free agency.
Not a need: Safety. Antoine Bethea was third at the position in defeats (plays that create a turnover, loss of yardage or third-down stop), while Eric Reid effectively took away the home run play. The 49ers defense was a top-10 unit in preventing long runs and third in the league in covering deep passes.
--Vince Verhei, Football Outsiders
Prospect targets
NFL draft home page
• 2015 NFL draft order
• Mel Kiper Jr.: Mock 4.0

• Todd McShay: Mock 4.0

• Todd McShay's Top 32 players

• Mel Kiper Jr.'s Big Board

• Top 10 prospects by position

• NFL draft player rankings

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State (Day 1): Waynes is the top corner on our board and our 16th-ranked prospect overall, making him an excellent value and need pick for San Francisco. He is a fundamentally sound cover corner with above-average instincts, excellent top-end speed and the ball skills to develop into a playmaker. Plus, he's an above-average run-stopper for the position.
Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson (Day 2): Anthony is a sideline-to-sideline linebacker with the closing burst to chase down backs and the stopping power to limit production after contact. He also has the range and awareness to hold up in underneath zone coverage.
Derrick Lott, DT/DE, Tennessee Chattanooga (Day 3): Lott has all the tools to excel at 3-4 defensive end in the 49ers' scheme, even though he played defensive tackle in Tennessee Chatanooga's four-man front. At 6-foot-4 and 318 pounds, he has the length and size to set a hard edge against the run as well as the ability to kick inside to rush the passer.
--Steve Muench, Scouts Inc.
Predictions
1. They will not draft a quarterback early: Marcus Mariota might be Colin Kaepernick 2.0 in the eyes of many observers, but the team is all-in on Kaepernick. Plus, other than Kaepernick (second round, 2011) and Alex Smith (No. 1 overall in 2005), the last quarterback the 49ers selected in the first three rounds was third-rounder Giovanni Carmazzi in 2000.
2. They will sit tight at No. 15: Letting the draft come to them might fly in the face of "Trader" Trent Baalke, who has not shied away from draft-day wheeling and dealing. But standing pat and simply selecting the best player available in the middle of the first round is the wisest course of action, especially if the likes of Oregon defensive lineman Arik Armstead or Waynes are still available.
3. They will draft an offensive lineman: As one league source said, that's just what Baalke does. Since he officially became the 49ers' general manager in 2011, they have drafted seven O-linemen, two a year every year but one. So even if it seems as though the 49ers are set, having drafted Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas last year and signing Erik Pears last month, Baalke likes a lot of big uglies, for the sake of competition.
--Paul Gutierrez, NFL Nation 49ers reporter

 

[Pattersonca65]

This thread should start heating up soon. Kawakami had a really good piece the other day. Even Kawakami can come up with something useful every once in awhile. He summarized the 49ers first round picks and moves. Kawakami stated hie belief based on Baalke's past drafts that Baalke will not trade up far to grab Cooper or White. Baakle doesn't want to give up a chunk of his later picks and that the price to move up would be too high for Baalke. Kind of what happened last year.

 

[purguy12]

Looks like 49ers really like Armstead and peters. Unless one of the Big 3 WRs fall I think 49ers draft one of these 2 guys. I think Armstead isn't the right pick and too early for him to get drafted. I like peters but has some concerns.

I want either Parker, White, Cooper or Waynes. Cant wait for the draft.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Looks like 49ers really like Armstead and peters. Unless one of the Big 3 WRs fall I think 49ers draft one of these 2 guys. I think Armstead isn't the right pick and too early for him to get drafted. I like peters but has some concerns.

I want either Parker, White, Cooper or Waynes. Cant wait for the draft.

You could be right although I have seen so many names thrown around the past few days it could be almost anyone at this point.

 

[purguy12]

You could be right although I have seen so many names thrown around the past few days it could be almost anyone at this point.

So true

 

[EKmane]

You could be right although I have seen so many names thrown around the past few days it could be almost anyone at this point.

Devin Smith just had a good meeting with 49ers as well. A trade back, somehow net Smith, Shaq Thompson and Ronald Darby all in the first two rounds would be awesome.

 

[purguy12]

My guess here cause I am not a football GM, but I don't think in football it is a simple choice between need and BPA. Teams always have more than a couple of needs, some needs are higher than others. I think it comes down to where a player fits on team needs versus how much better the other players are that are less of a need. Gms must develop some sort of a ranking system. I was a GM, I would try to do that. You don't always draft BPA. If you had a 25 year old Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck on your roster, would you use a top 5 pick on a QB if he was the BPA, of course not.

I agree. Its like if Winston falls to us at 15 but was ranked as #1 or #2 prospect no way we take Winston.

 

[purguy12]

Devin Smith just had a good meeting with 49ers as well. A trade back, somehow net Smith, Shaq Thompson and Ronald Darby all in the first two rounds would be awesome.

Only way we get Smith is if we trade back. No way we should take him at #15.