2015 NFL draft

[Gold Rush 86]

Devin Smith just had a good meeting with 49ers as well. A trade back, somehow net Smith, Shaq Thompson and Ronald Darby all in the first two rounds would be awesome.

Im not a fan of picking Devin or Thompson. If people think Torrey is a one trick pony I think Devin is that and even worse. Thompson is a swiss army knife when it comes to football. He can play RB, OLB and S. Some have said they think he is best at RB of the 3 positions but he has already said he wouldnt play RB in the NFL. I feel he is too small to play OLB in the NFL. That only leaves him to play safety and we have Reid and Bethea so I dont see a need for Thompson.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Only way we get Smith is if we trade back. No way we should take him at #15.

I think there's a pretty good chance he'll be there in the second. That's part of the reason I'd prefer to wait to address WR. There will be three or four good WRs on the board in the second round.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I think there's a pretty good chance he'll be there in the second. That's part of the reason I'd prefer to wait to address WR. There will be three or four good WRs on the board in the second round.

My hunch after all the 49er predraft reading, is that if the 49ers aren't able to land Cooper or White in the first round are going to go for a CB or DE in the first round. Wouldn't be surprised to see the 49ers take a WR in the second or even third. Just a guess based on what I've read so far

 

[purguy12]

My hunch after all the 49er predraft reading, is that if the 49ers aren't able to land Cooper or White in the first round are going to go for a CB or DE in the first round. Wouldn't be surprised to see the 49ers take a WR in the second or even third. Just a guess based on what I've read so far

Thats what Im hearing. If they can't land White, Cooper or parker they might trade back and grab a CB or a tier 2 WR and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rd pick.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Thats what Im hearing. If they can't land White, Cooper or parker they might trade back and grab a CB or a tier 2 WR and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rd pick.

I really don't see them trading very far up. Baalke is loathe to give up picks to trade up

 

[purguy12]

I really don't see them trading very far up. Baalke is loathe to give up picks to trade up

no im saying he might trade back if one of those 3 doesnt fall to us.

 

[Pattersonca65]

no im saying he might trade back if one of those 3 doesnt fall to us.

I asked this in another thread, but what about Breshad Perriman?

From ESPN Insider:

Overall Football Traits
Production 3 2012 (14/0): 26-388-14.9-3 2013 (12/10): 39-811-20.8-42014 (13/10): 50-1,044-19.5-9
Height-Weight-Speed 1 Outstanding combination of height, bulk and straight-line speed. Did not workout at the combine but reportedly ran a sub-4.3 40-yard dash at Pro Day. Ripped frame with quality thickness throughout. Average arm length and adequate hand-span.
Durability 2 Taken off the field on a stretcher for precautionary reasons after taking a big hit to the head against Houston in 2013. Sat out the following week against Temple. However, has remained durable throughout career and has suffered no other significant injuries that we are currently aware of.
Intangibles 3 Pronounced: brah-SHOD. Son of Brett and Laundaria Perriman. Father Brett played 10 years in the NFL as a WR primarily for the Saints and Lions and is an active mentor in Breshad's life. No off-field red flags to our knowledge.
1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
Wide Receiver Specific Traits
Separation Skills 2 A bit of straight-line runner, but he's a big and physical athlete who flashes some explosive movements. Displays some savvy within stem. Uses tempo well to set up defenders and works to gain initial leverage. Most efficient creating separation with routes working away from the line scrimmage such as slants, posts, digs and go routes. Displays an explosive burst coming out breaks and also shows the ability to create late separation when the ball is in the air. Does have some tightness transitioning into lateral in-and-out cuts with underneath routes. Adequate gaining clean release against press but still needs work in this area, particularly eliminating some wasted motion. Good feel locating soft spots when separating from zone coverage.
Ball Skills 3 Rarely allows the ball into his body and stabs at the ball with hands away from frame. On the flip side, there are many very difficult catches that he makes where he displays excellent body control to adjust and hand-eye coordination to pluck the ball way outside his frame. Most efficient tracking and securing throws working away from quarterback outside the hashes. Has a wide catch radius and a lot of downfield range. Also shows the ability to use his combination of size, strength and leaping ability to shield defenders and win in one-on-one downfield contested situations. He improved as the season progressed and bowl game versus NC State was best pass-catching tape we viewed, but he needs to improve pass-catching consistency. Fights the ball at times, especially when working back to the quarterback. Had multiple extension drops on routine catches throughout film study and left a lot of yards on the field (Missouri and Temple games, 2014).
Big play ability 1 Measureables and skill set provide him with big upside in this area. Averaged just under 20 yards per catch throughout career (19.5). Gradually builds speed off the line scrimmage. However, possesses long strides that eat up a lot of ground and flashes an extra gear to run by defenders and track down the deep ball once reaching top speed. Shows the ability to create mismatch problems battling for 50-50 balls in the down the field and in the red zone. Lacks elite elusiveness. However, he transitions quickly after the catch for his size. He is also a strong, balanced and competitive runner who is tough to bring down in the open field. Dangerous when catching the ball on the fly and flashes an extra gear to ruin pursuit angles and take it the distance.
Competitiveness 2 Displays willingness to work the middle of the field but appears to be more comfortable and does most of his damage outside the hashes and/or down the field. Focus will waiver in traffic at times. Competitive jostling for the ball in the air and fights for yards after the catch. Effective run-blocker who has the size and strength to cover defenders. Also does a nice job of shuffling his feet to stay engaged. Good effort and awareness searching for defenders to block after teammate makes a catch.

 

[GenJac]

Worth noting that, while Baalke has traded back (particularly last year), he's never traded back in the 1st round. In the 1st, he's typically traded up if he saw someone worthwhile to move up for. Will he break that trend this year? Possibly, but if he has a guy with a clear 1st round grade in his sights, I don't think he will trade back unless he feels certain he can still land him at a later spot.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Worth noting that, while Baalke has traded back (particularly last year), he's never traded back in the 1st round. In the 1st, he's typically traded up if he saw someone worthwhile to move up for. Will he break that trend this year? Possibly, but if he has a guy with a clear 1st round grade in his sights, I don't think he will trade back unless he feels certain he can still land him at a later spot.

Baalke could trade up, but he doesn't like to give up much. Baalke wanted to trade up and draft Beckham last year but the cost in draft picks was too high for his liking.

 

[NinerSickness]

Might as well post this one here too...

It's that time of year again! The tape has been watched; the combine numbers are in. Pro' day has distracted & confused people who fall for pro' day times...

What's your list of plan A, B, C, D and so on in order of what you'd want to happen w/ the first-round pick? Time to throw down some option. Here are mine:

A. Trade up for Leonard Williams (yes I know it would cost a fortune; worth it though).
B. Trade down to the late first: draft Shane Ray (go big or go home).
C. Trade out of the 1st completely; target Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson, Devin Smith, DGB or Devin Funchess depending on what pick & who's there (in that order). Pick up extra 1st in 2016.
D. Trade down to the late first: draft Todd Gurley or Eddie Goldman (in that order).

 

[Uhsplit]

Might as well post this one here too...

It's that time of year again! The tape has been watched; the combine numbers are in. Pro' day has distracted & confused people who fall for pro' day times...

What's your list of plan A, B, C, D and so on in order of what you'd want to happen w/ the first-round pick? Time to throw down some option. Here are mine:

A. Trade up for Leonard Williams (yes I know it would cost a fortune; worth it though).
B. Trade down to the late first: draft Shane Ray (go big or go home).
C. Trade out of the 1st completely; target Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson, Devin Smith, DGB or Devin Funchess depending on what pick & who's there (in that order). Pick up extra 1st in 2016.
D. Trade down to the late first: draft Todd Gurley or Eddie Goldman (in that order).

A If the 9ers want LW, they will have to give up more than their entire draft class. That would mean giving up a player, preferably a young one under a team friendly contract. Entire draft class + a solid young player? Not going to happen.
B If the 9ers trade down, Ray is most likely gone when they arrive on the clock. I don't see it happen.
C Give up your 2nd this year for a 1st next year is a more plausible theory. Those mentioned might be very good alternatives and make sense.
D If you like Gurley, don't trade down more than 5 or 6 spots.

E Stay put and draft Armstead.

 

[NinerSickness]

E Stay put and draft Armstead.

Yuck. Least-favourite option of the first round. Late 2nd-round talent IMO.

You're probably right about the rest of the post.

 

[NinerSickness]

...although the way this colonoscopy of an offseason is going, Armstead is probably a lock at 15.

 

[Pattersonca65]

...although the way this colonoscopy of an offseason is going, Armstead is probably a lock at 15.

Armstead Is on the espn top ren list of overrated players. Since he has been linked to the 49ers, leads me to believe they wont draft him.

 

[Gold Rush 86]

Might as well post this one here too...

It's that time of year again! The tape has been watched; the combine numbers are in. Pro' day has distracted & confused people who fall for pro' day times...

What's your list of plan A, B, C, D and so on in order of what you'd want to happen w/ the first-round pick? Time to throw down some option. Here are mine:

A. Trade up for Leonard Williams (yes I know it would cost a fortune; worth it though).
B. Trade down to the late first: draft Shane Ray (go big or go home).
C. Trade out of the 1st completely; target Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson, Devin Smith, DGB or Devin Funchess depending on what pick & who's there (in that order). Pick up extra 1st in 2016.
D. Trade down to the late first: draft Todd Gurley or Eddie Goldman (in that order).

Williams is a beast but I dont wanna trade up to get him. I would be willing to trade up for White, Cooper, Parker or Waynes though.

Ray is hard to tell where he is going right now. I have seen him in a lot of the top 10 picks but I have seen some in the teens to 20s.

Chances are Peters and KJ will both be picked in the 1st round. Also im not a fan of Devin Smith. I just dont think he will be a good NFL WR.

Gurley will prolly be a beast in the NFL but since we drafted Hyde last year I would be really upset if we drafted Gurley.

 

[purguy12]

I asked this in another thread, but what about Breshad Perriman?

From ESPN Insider:

Overall Football Traits
Production 3 2012 (14/0): 26-388-14.9-3 2013 (12/10): 39-811-20.8-42014 (13/10): 50-1,044-19.5-9
Height-Weight-Speed 1 Outstanding combination of height, bulk and straight-line speed. Did not workout at the combine but reportedly ran a sub-4.3 40-yard dash at Pro Day. Ripped frame with quality thickness throughout. Average arm length and adequate hand-span.
Durability 2 Taken off the field on a stretcher for precautionary reasons after taking a big hit to the head against Houston in 2013. Sat out the following week against Temple. However, has remained durable throughout career and has suffered no other significant injuries that we are currently aware of.
Intangibles 3 Pronounced: brah-SHOD. Son of Brett and Laundaria Perriman. Father Brett played 10 years in the NFL as a WR primarily for the Saints and Lions and is an active mentor in Breshad's life. No off-field red flags to our knowledge.
1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
Wide Receiver Specific Traits
Separation Skills 2 A bit of straight-line runner, but he's a big and physical athlete who flashes some explosive movements. Displays some savvy within stem. Uses tempo well to set up defenders and works to gain initial leverage. Most efficient creating separation with routes working away from the line scrimmage such as slants, posts, digs and go routes. Displays an explosive burst coming out breaks and also shows the ability to create late separation when the ball is in the air. Does have some tightness transitioning into lateral in-and-out cuts with underneath routes. Adequate gaining clean release against press but still needs work in this area, particularly eliminating some wasted motion. Good feel locating soft spots when separating from zone coverage.
Ball Skills 3 Rarely allows the ball into his body and stabs at the ball with hands away from frame. On the flip side, there are many very difficult catches that he makes where he displays excellent body control to adjust and hand-eye coordination to pluck the ball way outside his frame. Most efficient tracking and securing throws working away from quarterback outside the hashes. Has a wide catch radius and a lot of downfield range. Also shows the ability to use his combination of size, strength and leaping ability to shield defenders and win in one-on-one downfield contested situations. He improved as the season progressed and bowl game versus NC State was best pass-catching tape we viewed, but he needs to improve pass-catching consistency. Fights the ball at times, especially when working back to the quarterback. Had multiple extension drops on routine catches throughout film study and left a lot of yards on the field (Missouri and Temple games, 2014).
Big play ability 1 Measureables and skill set provide him with big upside in this area. Averaged just under 20 yards per catch throughout career (19.5). Gradually builds speed off the line scrimmage. However, possesses long strides that eat up a lot of ground and flashes an extra gear to run by defenders and track down the deep ball once reaching top speed. Shows the ability to create mismatch problems battling for 50-50 balls in the down the field and in the red zone. Lacks elite elusiveness. However, he transitions quickly after the catch for his size. He is also a strong, balanced and competitive runner who is tough to bring down in the open field. Dangerous when catching the ball on the fly and flashes an extra gear to ruin pursuit angles and take it the distance.
Competitiveness 2 Displays willingness to work the middle of the field but appears to be more comfortable and does most of his damage outside the hashes and/or down the field. Focus will waiver in traffic at times. Competitive jostling for the ball in the air and fights for yards after the catch. Effective run-blocker who has the size and strength to cover defenders. Also does a nice job of shuffling his feet to stay engaged. Good effort and awareness searching for defenders to block after teammate makes a catch.

Im really starting to like him. I have him jumped over strong. His 4.27 closed the deal. Plus he has good hands.

 

[purguy12]

Yuck. Least-favourite option of the first round. Late 2nd-round talent IMO.

You're probably right about the rest of the post.

I agree im not a fan of Armstead. Big time Bust potential plus he isn't a 1st rd pick that can help right away. He is a project. He isn't as fast as people thought and isn't very strong.

 

[purguy12]

We are almost there guys. 3 more days. Give me a WR or a CB. really liking Peters. Some are saying he is the next Revis.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I agree im not a fan of Armstead. Big time Bust potential plus he isn't a 1st rd pick that can help right away. He is a project. He isn't as fast as people thought and isn't very strong.

This is what ESPN said,

2. Arik Armstead, DE, OregonIt seems as though many look at Armstead's measurables (6-foot-7, 292 pounds, 5.1-second 40-yard dash) and his position (3-4 defensive end) and can't foresee him becoming anything other than Calais Campbell. What has gotten overlooked for the most part, however, is that Campbell had as many sacks in his sophomore season of college (10.5) as Armstead had his entire Oregon career.
Defensive line is one of the positions where physical freaks can easily dominate in college with little to no technique. That is why it's concerning that Armstead produced well outside the upper echelon of defensive linemen. The Oregon defensive end graded out as our No. 20 interior lineman against Power 5 schools, and posted middling numbers in run-stop percentage (7.1) and pass-rushing productivity (6.0) for the season. Those are worrisome numbers for a potential top-15 pick.

 

[Pattersonca65]

We are almost there guys. 3 more days. Give me a WR or a CB. really liking Peters. Some are saying he is the next Revis.

Looking forward to it. Expect the unexpected, lol