2013 Season Thread

[scotsman1948]

I'm not sure either would be worth the asking price, but damn it would be nice to see price in a rangers uni.

agreed about price. i'd love to see him and darvish together on the rangers

 

[scotsman1948]

Shields might yield a couple nice prospects but he won't cost an arm or a leg, what teams have to do is determine if Shields is an upgrade over what they have and is it worth the price

well i think Tampa will expect more than a couple of nice prospects for him. i could be wrong but they probably wouldn't listen unless an Olt or Profar were part of the deal for either Shields or Price

 

[jta4437]

well i think Tampa will expect more than a couple of nice prospects for him. i could be wrong but they probably wouldn't listen unless an Olt or Profar were part of the deal for either Shields or Price

For Shields I laugh hysterically and then just hang up

For Price, I send Olt in a heart beat, but give a big hell no to Profar

 

[scotsman1948]

For Shields I laugh hysterically and then just hang up

For Price, I send Olt in a heart beat, but give a big hell no to Profar

not sure that the rangers could get either but aside from record Price 20-5 and Shields 15-11 they're fairly close in numbers.

Innings Price 211.0 Shields 227.2
Hits 173 208
Strikeouts 205 223
WHIP 1.10 1.17
BAA .226 .239
ERA 2.56 3.52
Earned Runs 60 89
Runs allowed 63 103

rather have Price but would not complain if the Rangers got Shields as long as the price wasn't too high.

 

[jta4437]

not sure that the rangers could get either but aside from record Price 20-5 and Shields 15-11 they're fairly close in numbers.

Innings Price 211.0 Shields 227.2
Hits 173 208
Strikeouts 205 223
WHIP 1.10 1.17
BAA .226 .239
ERA 2.56 3.52
Earned Runs 60 89
Runs allowed 63 103

rather have Price but would not complain if the Rangers got Shields as long as the price wasn't too high.

With Shields you always have risk of a blowup year, which he was having this year, he must be pitching lights out since the trading deadline

Shields is far more hittable than Price and older, but is more of a workhorse

 

[scotsman1948]

With Shields you always have risk of a blowup year, which he was having this year, he must be pitching lights out since the trading deadline

Shields is far more hittable than Price and older, but is more of a workhorse

Price has only given up 3 unearned runs this season while Shields has given up 14. look at tonite, he struck out 15, gave up 2 hits and lost 1-0

 

[jta4437]

Price has only given up 3 unearned runs this season while Shields has given up 14. look at tonite, he struck out 15, gave up 2 hits and lost 1-0

Yes he's a good pitcher with the potential of being dominant, but he's just not a #1 and not worth that kind of asking price, and no one is going to pay it either

 

[jta4437]

Price has only given up 3 unearned runs this season while Shields has given up 14. look at tonite, he struck out 15, gave up 2 hits and lost 1-0

whats funny is you think I'm looking at record, which I'm not, this just shows that Shield's ERA could be higher

 

[romeo212000]

whats funny is you think I'm looking at record, which I'm not, this just shows that Shield's ERA could be higher

Scotty has a nasty habit of using a pitchers record to determine how good he thinks they are.

 

[scotsman1948]

Scotty has a nasty habit of using a pitchers record to determine how good he thinks they are.

what do you base your opinion on if you don't look at their numbers? and i don't mean their records.

 

[romeo212000]

what do you base your opinion on if you don't look at their numbers? and i don't mean their records.

I do look at their numbers and it was you who earlier in the season saying cliff lee wasn't that good of a pitcher because he didn't have a win.

 

[scotsman1948]

whats funny is you think I'm looking at record, which I'm not, this just shows that Shield's ERA could be higher

no i didn't think you were looking at records. of the 2, price is far and away the better pitcher and is going to require far and away the highest price to get him away from tampa. Shields is a step down from Price and the price tag to get him should be exponentially lower but he would still be a positive addition to the rotation if the Rangers decided to pursue a trade for him.

i'm not recommending the Rangers going after anyone, i'll leave that this off-season to the experts.

 

[scotsman1948]

I do look at their numbers and it was you who earlier in the season saying cliff lee wasn't that good of a pitcher because he didn't have a win.

am i the only one who is not allowed to express an opinion without having you slamming it? i said his numbers stunk and he wasn't the same pitcher that he had been in previous seasons

 

[romeo212000]

am i the only one who is not allowed to express an opinion without having you slamming it? i said his numbers stunk and he wasn't the same pitcher that he had been in previous seasons

So just because I say you're opinions are wrong because they're based in the wrong data I'm an asshole? No, it's called a logical discussion. Grow the hell up.

 

[scotsman1948]

So just because I say you're opinions are wrong because they're based in the wrong data I'm an asshole? No, it's called a logical discussion. Grow the hell up.

what data was wrong? i pointed out the numbers of 2 pitchers that i think would be a positive on this team. Price would be a legitimate #1 and with Darvish would give the Rangers a devastating punch but would cost the Rangers an arm and leg to get in the form of Profar and maybe Olt too plus more. Shields would probably be the Robin to Darvish's Batman and probably cost us at least one of our top 5 prospects plus others based on what Tampa has indicated the asking price would be.

you were the one who brought up Cliff Lee and i stand by my call back then. his numbers were off and he wasn't the Cliff Lee that had pitched the years before and yes he hadn't won a game so he wasn't worth gambling on especially with the contract he had signed with Philly.

 

[romeo212000]

I wasn't talking about the price/shields comparison. Just making a point that you've put stock incorrectly into a pitchers record before.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Price is probably your best bet and it will cost you out the ass to get him. Bet on Olt to start with, maybe Martin.

Rumors had it starting with Elvis....and then adding in a couple prospects.

FWIW....

 

[scotsman1948]

I wasn't talking about the price/shields comparison. Just making a point that you've put stock incorrectly into a pitchers record before.

okay, but hasn't everyone?

 

[romeo212000]

okay, but hasn't everyone?

Umm no. Those if use that actually understand baseball know that a pitcher's win loss record is the least of things you consider when evaluating a pitcher's quality.

 

[scotsman1948]

Umm no. Those if use that actually understand baseball know that a pitcher's win loss record is the least of things you consider when evaluating a pitcher's quality.

i will say it one more time for your benefit. i don't just use the win-loss record when evaluating a pitcher's quality. i look at everything innings pitched, WHIP, hits, runs allowed, FB/GB ratio, etc and yes i mention their record. you seem to be obsessed with that one fact and ignore the others. i commented on the similarities between Price's numbers & Shields' numbers but also noted that Price was by far the superior pitcher if the Rangers were looking at the two. back before the trade deadline, when the discussion came to Lee, i did mention his record along with a lot of other things including the fact that his contract was prohibitive based on his numbers.

that's the end of the conversation on this subject in my book.