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Game Thread: #14 Michigan vs. #12 Notre Dame

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Except it’s not long standing. Not by a long shot.
Just remember you forced me to do this:


George DeHaven wrote to Brother Paul at Notre Dame in October 1887, describing the new game being played at Michigan.
The first game took place in November 1887. Michigan had been playing football since 1879. Two players on Michigan's 1887 team, George Winthrop DeHaven, Jr. and William Warren Harless, had previously attended Notre Dame. In October 1887, DeHaven wrote to Brother Paul, who ran Notre Dame's intramural athletics program, telling him about the new game of football. Michigan had planned a game in Chicago on Thanksgiving Day, and the three men, DeHaven, Harless and Brother Paul, persuaded their respective schools to play a football match on the Notre Dame campus on the day before Thanksgiving.[9]

On November 22, 1887, the Michigan football team departed from the Michigan Central Railroad Depot in Ann Arbor on the late train. After breakfast in Niles, Michigan, the team changed trains and arrived in South Bend between 7:00 a.m. and 8:00 a.m.[10][11][12] The team was greeted by Father Superior Walsh and spent two hours touring the university buildings and departments of Notre Dame.

The game was the first played by a Notre Dame football team, and the Michigan team was credited with teaching the Notre Dame team the game before play began.[9][13] The Notre Dame student newspaper, Scholastic, reported: "It was not considered a match contest, as the home team had been organized only a few weeks, and the Michigan boys, the champions of the West, came more to instruct them in the points of the Rugby game than to win fresh laurels."[14] The proceedings began with a tutorial session in which players from both teams were divided irrespective of college.[12] For the first 30 minutes, the teams scrimmaged in a practice game with Michigan "exchanging six men for the same number from Notre Dame."[11]

After the practice session, the Michigan and Notre Dame teams played a game that lasted only half an hour which was described by The Chronicle (a University of Michigan newspaper) as follows: "The grounds were in very poor condition for playing, being covered with snow in a melting condition, and the players could scarcely keep their feet. Some time had been spent in preliminary practice; the game began and after rolling and tumbling in the mud for half an hour time was finally called, the score standing 8 to 0 in favor of U. of M."[10]

Between 400 and 500 students watched the game.[11] After the game, the team ate at the Notre Dame dining hall. The Notre Dame student newspaper reported on the gratitude of Notre Dame officials for Michigan's tutorial in the game of football: "After a hearty dinner, Rev. President Walsh thanked the Ann Arbor team for their visit, and assured them of the cordial reception that would always await them at Notre Dame."[12] Brother Paul arranged for carriages to take the team to Niles in time to catch the 3:00 train to Chicago.[11]The Notre Dame paper reported: "At 1 o'clock carriages were taken for Niles, and amidst rousing cheers the University of Michigan football team departed, leaving behind them a most favorable impression."[12]
 

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Except it’s not long standing. Not by a long shot.
The series you listed would qualify for those teams playing more, however that does not disqualify the Michigan-ND series a rivalry especially since it started in 1887. Lastly, I am not speaking to those, I am speaking specifically to Michigan-ND.


This is a thread about Michigan and Notre Dame
 

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Just remember you forced me to do this:


George DeHaven wrote to Brother Paul at Notre Dame in October 1887, describing the new game being played at Michigan.
The first game took place in November 1887. Michigan had been playing football since 1879. Two players on Michigan's 1887 team, George Winthrop DeHaven, Jr. and William Warren Harless, had previously attended Notre Dame. In October 1887, DeHaven wrote to Brother Paul, who ran Notre Dame's intramural athletics program, telling him about the new game of football. Michigan had planned a game in Chicago on Thanksgiving Day, and the three men, DeHaven, Harless and Brother Paul, persuaded their respective schools to play a football match on the Notre Dame campus on the day before Thanksgiving.[9]

On November 22, 1887, the Michigan football team departed from the Michigan Central Railroad Depot in Ann Arbor on the late train. After breakfast in Niles, Michigan, the team changed trains and arrived in South Bend between 7:00 a.m. and 8:00 a.m.[10][11][12] The team was greeted by Father Superior Walsh and spent two hours touring the university buildings and departments of Notre Dame.

The game was the first played by a Notre Dame football team, and the Michigan team was credited with teaching the Notre Dame team the game before play began.[9][13] The Notre Dame student newspaper, Scholastic, reported: "It was not considered a match contest, as the home team had been organized only a few weeks, and the Michigan boys, the champions of the West, came more to instruct them in the points of the Rugby game than to win fresh laurels."[14] The proceedings began with a tutorial session in which players from both teams were divided irrespective of college.[12] For the first 30 minutes, the teams scrimmaged in a practice game with Michigan "exchanging six men for the same number from Notre Dame."[11]

After the practice session, the Michigan and Notre Dame teams played a game that lasted only half an hour which was described by The Chronicle (a University of Michigan newspaper) as follows: "The grounds were in very poor condition for playing, being covered with snow in a melting condition, and the players could scarcely keep their feet. Some time had been spent in preliminary practice; the game began and after rolling and tumbling in the mud for half an hour time was finally called, the score standing 8 to 0 in favor of U. of M."[10]

Between 400 and 500 students watched the game.[11] After the game, the team ate at the Notre Dame dining hall. The Notre Dame student newspaper reported on the gratitude of Notre Dame officials for Michigan's tutorial in the game of football: "After a hearty dinner, Rev. President Walsh thanked the Ann Arbor team for their visit, and assured them of the cordial reception that would always await them at Notre Dame."[12] Brother Paul arranged for carriages to take the team to Niles in time to catch the 3:00 train to Chicago.[11]The Notre Dame paper reported: "At 1 o'clock carriages were taken for Niles, and amidst rousing cheers the University of Michigan football team departed, leaving behind them a most favorable impression."[12]
Then you didn’t play for like 80 years. You can’t say you have a “long standing rivalry when you have only played 40 times in 130 years of football.

Would you say you have a long time rivalry with Hillsdale College because you played them in 1899?
 

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Except it’s not long standing. Not by a long shot.
1887 is not your definition of long standing?

HUH
 

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Then you didn’t play for like 80 years. You can’t say you have a “long standing rivalry when you have only played 40 times in 130 years of football.

Would you say you have a long time rivalry with Hillsdale College because you played them in 1899?
You are in way over your head...just step away from the thread and no one gets hurt
 

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Then you didn’t play for like 80 years. You can’t say you have a “long standing rivalry when you have only played 40 times in 130 years of football.

Would you say you have a long time rivalry with Hillsdale College because you played them in 1899?
You already have me pegged as an idiot for some reason, so I am going to indulge your question and say YES INDEEDY!!!!!
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Then you didn’t play for like 80 years. You can’t say you have a “long standing rivalry when you have only played 40 times in 130 years of football.

Would you say you have a long time rivalry with Hillsdale College because you played them in 1899?
Actually, I have never attended or played for either school. So it would be "THEY" since we are really watching syntax on here
 

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p2279u5pm8wprev3.jpg Speaking of Hillsdale College....not too shabby for a college women basketball team
 

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Actually, I have never attended or played for either school. So it would be "THEY" since we are really watching syntax on here
It’s not syntax it’s knowing what a word actually means. Long-standing does not mean that it just started a long time ago and hasn’t existed for most of that time. You haven’t played roughly 90 of the 130 years since that first game. It’s absolutely a rivalry, it’s just not a long standing one.
 

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It’s not syntax it’s knowing what a word actually means. Long-standing does not mean that it just started a long time ago and hasn’t existed for most of that time. You haven’t played roughly 90 of the 130 years since that first game. It’s absolutely a rivalry, it’s just not a long standing one.
As a Sparty fan will YOU watch Michigan and Notre Dame Saturday? Its a long standing rivalry
 

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It’s not syntax it’s knowing what a word actually means. Long-standing does not mean that it just started a long time ago and hasn’t existed for most of that time. You haven’t played roughly 90 of the 130 years since that first game. It’s absolutely a rivalry, it’s just not a long standing one.
Oh, and again I never played..it would be "THEY"
 

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Artist rendering of the Michigan Offensive Line surrounding a Notre Dame Defensive Lineman, after the play, as Patterson lies motionless on the turf:

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Fuck Brian Kelly; that traitor bitch.

That's all I got lol.
 

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As a Sparty fan will YOU watch Michigan and Notre Dame Saturday? Its a long standing rivalry
Unfortunately my wife made plans for us to ruin the weekend by going to her parents. Happy birthday to me.:puke:fucking Michigan fans.
 

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This is where I think he will struggle big time. Ole Miss is a pretty favorable QB system, I don't think Michigan is near that. Especially if their WRs don't start playing better this year (oline needs to block better as well), it's going to be struggles in the passing offense once again.

The fact that his backup at Ole Miss stepped in and there wasn't much of a drop off (if not an improvement) is a pretty big red flag to me

Seeing as the WR’s were true freshman last year and 3 different QB’s started at least 3 games last year — I think the improvement will be noticeable if they just have one QB they can work and gel with.

Losing Tarik Black hurts, but UM signed 4 top 150 WR’s — so hopefully Nico Collins and Oliver Martin can pick up the slack. And DPJ looked like a different WR from the beginning of last year to the end, so hopefully he continued to progress.

A lot of, we will see, is all anyone should say about UM right now. The defense should be great again. With the offense — we will see. Who knows?
 
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