Just for Dean... here is WHY I would take Robinson over Moses or the OTs you are dieing for

[Sharkinva]

2014 NFL Draft: The Most Overlooked Player at Every Position | Bleacher Report

After declaring for the draft the day after Bill O’Brien announced he was headed to the NFL, Allen Robinson entered a deep receiver class and, for whatever reason, became quickly forgotten. The 2012 Biletnikoff Award finalist put up nearly 2,500 yards over the past two seasons in the O’Brien pro-style offense despite playing with the lackluster arm strength of Matt McGloin and true freshman Christian Hackenberg.

On film, Robinson should remind scouts of Keenan Allen thanks to his separation on deep-breaking routes and his ability to finish at the catch-point and make defenders miss with the ball in his hands.

In Mel Kiper’s most recent mock draft (subscription required), he had eight receivers in the first round but omitted Robinson. In my opinion, he’s the fourth-best receiver in this class, behind Sammy Watkins and almost on the same level as Marqise Lee of USC and Odell Beckham Jr. of LSU.

He should certainly be in the late first-round discussion, but if he falls, I have a feeling he’ll make teams regret it the same way Allen has.

 

[gkekoa]

I wouldn't take Robinson over Moses.


What is different between Malcom Kelly and Robinson (other than the injury)?

 

[skinsdad62]

2014 NFL Draft: The Most Overlooked Player at Every Position | Bleacher Report

After declaring for the draft the day after Bill O’Brien announced he was headed to the NFL, Allen Robinson entered a deep receiver class and, for whatever reason, became quickly forgotten. The 2012 Biletnikoff Award finalist put up nearly 2,500 yards over the past two seasons in the O’Brien pro-style offense despite playing with the lackluster arm strength of Matt McGloin and true freshman Christian Hackenberg.

On film, Robinson should remind scouts of Keenan Allen thanks to his separation on deep-breaking routes and his ability to finish at the catch-point and make defenders miss with the ball in his hands.

In Mel Kiper’s most recent mock draft (subscription required), he had eight receivers in the first round but omitted Robinson. In my opinion, he’s the fourth-best receiver in this class, behind Sammy Watkins and almost on the same level as Marqise Lee of USC and Odell Beckham Jr. of LSU.

He should certainly be in the late first-round discussion, but if he falls, I have a feeling he’ll make teams regret it the same way Allen has.

well robinson could very well be all that but how much of an authority is eric galko feature columnist for bleacher report

if robinson is the best player at 34 we should scoop him up without question rather then reaching for an o/lineman d/lineman cb safety ilb or olb

 

[Sharkinva]

First off forget who actually wrote the piece. Fact is this kid put up almost 2500 yards over the last two seasons with a weak armed QB and a true freshman. this in a pro style Offense, not some spread option. He has whats needed to actually complete our WR corps, and he wouldnt be forced into a starting role, unlike any RT we likely draft with the 34th pick.

Not to mention I dont think the difference between what a rookie OT, and Polumbus or Compton will be that great. But a true playmaker with size at WR to complete the offense in the redzone would actually be huge for this team as a whole.

 

[skinsdad62]

First off forget who actually wrote the piece. Fact is this kid put up almost 2500 yards over the last two seasons with a weak armed QB and a true freshman. this in a pro style Offense, not some spread option. He has whats needed to actually complete our WR corps, and he wouldnt be forced into a starting role, unlike any RT we likely draft with the 34th pick.

Not to mention I dont think the difference between what a rookie OT, and Polumbus or Compton will be that great. But a true playmaker with size at WR to complete the offense in the redzone would actually be huge for this team as a whole.

who wrote the piece again i saw it as galko . are you saying his coach wrote it ? and if so there isnt the least bit of potential bias there

 

[Sharkinva]

who wrote the piece again i saw it as galko . are you saying his coach wrote it ? and if so there isnt the least bit of potential bias there

Nope.. Galko wrote it. What i am saying and have been saying is, our WR corps is not complete because we have no size. I think we struggle in the Red Zone once again without some size aside from reed. I would rather bring in a player that completes our Redzone passing attack, thus freeing up both Morris and Rg3 on the chance that we try to run, rather than force an OT pick. Im all for targeting a position group and doing as much a possible to complete it, rather than going well we need help in these five spots, lets try and address all of them at once. Our Wr group is close, but not quite there. And I dont think bringing in four new pieces on the O-line as many have suggested, is in the best interest of the team, or in particular the QB if we really want him to succeed.

 

[Kevin12773]

Living in Penn State country and watching them a lot this kid is good and I'd have no issues if he was the pick in round 2.

 

[Sharkinva]

Living in Penn State country and watching them a lot this kid is good and I'd have no issues if he was the pick in round 2.

Honestly think if Penn State had a little more juice in the QB department over the past couple of years, there is a good chance this kid would be mentioned as a top 15 pick. Considering what he worked with the past two seasons and his production one has to be a little impressed.

 

[Sleepy T]

Honestly think if Penn State had a little more juice in the QB department over the past couple of years, there is a good chance this kid would be mentioned as a top 15 pick. Considering what he worked with the past two seasons and his production one has to be a little impressed.

I have no doubt that he is good, but 3rd or 4th best receiver??? C'mon now. Another thing that was a little bit BS was that Hackenberg played very well and like a 3rd year starter at times. He may very well be a 1st rounder here in a few years. This guy writes like he was averaging 20-30 YAC on every damn play.

 

[gkekoa]

Matt McGlynn is an NFL QB. How many WRs actually get to make that claim?


Sammy Watkins has Taj Boyd...worse than McGlynn and PSU's QB.
Brandin Cooks has who?
Kelvin Benjamin had a freshman throwing to him this season.


Who did Megatron have throwing him the ball in college?

 

[deanpet21]

Kiper has Moses going in the first round. If Robinson is that good then teams should be wanted to trade up for him in the 2nd round. WR are just as risky as OL. He is not the 4th best WR in this class. Kiper actually put the Indiana kid and Matthews over him and that speaks volumes to me. I don't think the Skins have completely given up on A. Robinson and Hankerson so the Robinson pick wouldn't make any sense. If this happens there will be outrage everywhere.

 

[Sleepy T]

I would love to get another impact WR, even at 34 if it's the right guy. I would feel better getting a big one in the 3rd, but from what the experts say, there could be a major run on them in the first 2 rounds, up to 12-13 taken.

We'll see, maybe Moncrief, Bryant, someone like that in the 3rd makes more sense.

 

[Sharkinva]

Kiper also had Clausen listed as a sure fire franchise QB. YOu wondered why I would take him over the OT. I have given you my opinion. Now granted I dont get paid by ESPN to give my opinion. But as i also mentioned, IM not a fan of shotgunning the OT position considering how many picks we have already spent on O-line over the past two seasons. Nor am I a fan of changing the entire line at one time and hoping it magically improves because we brought in two rookies.

 

[deanpet21]

With the huge run of WR's in the first round there should be WR in the 3rd round that we could take. Shark, I understand Kiper is wrong sometimes. I know why you want a WR over and OT b/c you believe the line is fine that way it is. If Robinson is still on the board at 34 and you think he is the 4th best WR in this class there should be multiple trade offers for him. I wouldn't select him I would take the trade offer. Move down are target Kojo, Bitiono, Filo, and Richardson. Kiper also had 5 Cbs going in the first round. Plus Hageman and Tuitt going in the first.


Does anyone know who Kiper mocked us in the 2nd round. Thanks.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dean.. I wouldnt say I think the line is fine as we do need to upgrade. But I think its borderline.. no scratch that.. I think it is completely RETARDED on an epic scale to try and change out 80% of an O-line unit all at once while also installing a new passing game. Now before any one gets upset and says Im calling Dean Retarded, Im not. But changing 80% of an O-line as a knee jerk reaction is. There is a reason why teams that are planning to start a rookie on the O-line do everything they can to put a very seasoned vet next to said named rookie. And as it makes no sense to force the o-line pick which is basically what you are advocating, and we shouldnt be reaching for a starter at ANY position at this point. It makes sense to add depth and impact some where. I simply think that somewhere should be at WR.

 

[gkekoa]

Dean.. I wouldnt say I think the line is fine as we do need to upgrade. But I think its borderline.. no scratch that.. I think it is completely RETARDED on an epic scale to try and change out 80% of an O-line unit all at once while also installing a new passing game. Now before any one gets upset and says Im calling Dean Retarded, Im not. But changing 80% of an O-line as a knee jerk reaction is. There is a reason why teams that are planning to start a rookie on the O-line do everything they can to put a very seasoned vet next to said named rookie. And as it makes no sense to force the o-line pick which is basically what you are advocating, and we shouldnt be reaching for a starter at ANY position at this point. It makes sense to add depth and impact some where. I simply think that somewhere should be at WR.

I would agree that changing out 80% of the line that would be using the exact same system is a mistake. But we are changing systems. We are getting bigger and stronger on the OL.

 

[gkekoa]

Kiper also had Clausen listed as a sure fire franchise QB. YOu wondered why I would take him over the OT. I have given you my opinion. Now granted I dont get paid by ESPN to give my opinion. But as i also mentioned, IM not a fan of shotgunning the OT position considering how many picks we have already spent on O-line over the past two seasons. Nor am I a fan of changing the entire line at one time and hoping it magically improves because we brought in two rookies.

You say we have used a lot of picks on the OL recently...but they weren't quality picks.

Personally, I see Moses as a better prospect than Robinson. If I saw Robinson as a better prospect, I'd be for Robinson. I'm BPA...doesn't really matter position...except QB and RB.

 

[Sharkinva]

I would agree that changing out 80% of the line that would be using the exact same system is a mistake. But we are changing systems. We are getting bigger and stronger on the OL.

Agreed, but you can not really believe that installing a new center (McGlynn) Then sticking a rookie RG and a Rookie RT out there is actually going to fix what actually ailed this line. Its a knee jerk reaction. We have already replaced the LG and Center. O-lines develop through playing together. And even if you say we need better talent, its a scorched earth policy to replace 80% of a line that has produced two top ten ground games, and a top ten offense over all within the last two seasons.

 

[deanpet21]

Adding a starting RT doesn't mean we are changing 80% of the oline. There will be two new starters Lenvo and RT. That's it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Agreed, but you can not really believe that installing a new center (McGlynn) Then sticking a rookie RG and a Rookie RT out there is actually going to fix what actually ailed this line. Its a knee jerk reaction. We have already replaced the LG and Center. O-lines develop through playing together. And even if you say we need better talent, its a scorched earth policy to replace 80% of a line that has produced two top ten ground games, and a top ten offense over all within the last two seasons.

i can believe in year 2 it can . i am not a proponent of keeping that status quo when its substandard

i realize that we dont want to reach

and if robinson is there and he is the BPA the i say draft him

but you will have a hard time selling me that robinson is a better player then moses. filo , kojo , bitionio you can but not moses