AFCN Hate Guide

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Vote tally update... for DL bust

CLE Courtney Brown - 3 (thedddd, bridgeburner, cincyfan)
PIT Darryl Sims - 2 (face, superbelt)
CLE Gerard Warren - 1 (dtgold)

Give it the rest of the day to give @Pure Steel @CrashDavisSports @Maximus Rex @cincygrad @Stakesarehigh some time to chime in

Names that have been discussed the most:
CLE - Courtney Brown or Gerard Warren
PIT - Gabe Rivera or Darryl Sims
CIN - Wilkinson & Copeland... but mostly dismissed due to "average play". Koch isn't getting much steam.
BAL - Terrence Cody... 2nd Rd pick doesn't seem to stack up to the others discussed

 

[Pure Steel]

Vote tally update... for DL bust

CLE Courtney Brown - 3 (thedddd, bridgeburner, cincyfan)
PIT Darryl Sims - 2 (face, superbelt)
CLE Gerard Warren - 1 (dtgold)

Give it the rest of the day to give @Pure Steel @CrashDavisSports @Maximus Rex @cincygrad @Stakesarehigh some time to chime in

Names that have been discussed the most:
CLE - Courtney Brown or Gerard Warren
PIT - Gabe Rivera or Darryl Sims
CIN - Wilkinson & Copeland... but mostly dismissed due to "average play". Koch isn't getting much steam.
BAL - Terrence Cody... 2nd Rd pick doesn't seem to stack up to the others discussed

Easily Sims

 

[dtgold88]

Easily Sims

Decided to check him out and if it's OK I'm changing my vote to Sims. I get picked much later than Warren but he didn't do much more than I did in his career.

Realize that makes it a tie so hopefully you get another vote to break it, @FaCe-LeE-uS

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Courtney Brown for me as well.

 

[thedddd]

I would have picked Sims over Rivera for the Steelers, if Gabe wasn’t at fault for his injury. He caused it, otherwise Sims was hot garbage

 

[Cincyfan78]

We interrupt this discussion to bring you the latest:

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Vote tally update... for DL bust

PIT Darryl Sims - 5 (face, superbelt, puresteel, dtgold, maximus)
CLE Courtney Brown - 3 (thedddd, bridgeburner, cincyfan, crashdavis)

 

[Maximus Rex]

I'll go with Sims. Brown was my initial thought, but I didn't realize there were all of the injury issues. Like others have mentioned, I don't really like holding those against the player.

 

[Pure Steel]

Someone threw away $2.95

 

[Wamu]

If anyone wants a good laugh mrs. chaney started a thread about being in a gang.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

If anyone wants a good laugh mrs. chaney started a thread about being in a gang.

Gave it the rainbow stamp of approval

 

[thedddd]

5 years ago this would have been fun, not 2025.

 

[Maximus Rex]

I would have picked Sims over Rivera for the Steelers, if Gabe wasn’t at fault for his injury. He caused it, otherwise Sims was hot garbage

I hear you, but I just can't vote for a guy who got paralyzed as a bust. I want on-field suckage to determine bust status for our prestigious list that @FaCe-LeE-uS has so kindly put together. I get it if others want to, though.

 

[thedddd]

I hear you, but I just can't vote for a guy who got paralyzed as a bust. I want on-field suckage to determine bust status for our prestigious list that @FaCe-LeE-uS has so kindly put together. I get it if others want to, though.

I understand but a bust can be determined different ways, because off the field issues can cause players to be busts.

I see it no different than a player getting suspended/kicked out the league for drugs. If they made the choice to ruin their careers I view them in this category.

That is the beauty of this, as it is all how we interpret it and our opinions. Honestly none are wrong as there is a common theme with everyone one of these players they never lived up to their potential.

 

[thedddd]

Yeah, it's still impressive. They did good.

Funny how this just popped up in my feed.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Looks like it’s time to move on to LB for the AFCN ALL-BUST team!

This one should be spicy.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Names to consider:

Browns:
Mike Junkin (1st Rd - 5th overall - 1987)
Clifford Charlton (1st Rd - 21st overall - 1988)
Craig Powell (1st Rd - 30th overall - 1995)
Barkevious Mingo (1st Rd - 6th overall - 2013)

Bengals:
Rick Hunley (1st Rd - 7th overall - 1984)
Emanuel King (1st Rd - 25th overall - 1985)
Joe Kelly (1st Rd - 11th overall - 1986)
Reinard Wilson (1st Rd - 14th overall - 1997)
David Pollack (1st Rd - 17th overall - 2005)
Keith RIvers (1st Rd - 9th overall - 2008)

Ravens:
Sergio Kindle (2nd Rd - 2010)
Arthur Brown (2nd Rd - 2013)
Bronson Kaufusi (3rd Rd - 2016)

Steelers:
Huey Richardson (1st Rd - 15th overall - 1991)
Alonzo Jackson (2nd Rd - 2003)
Jarvis Jones (1st Rd - 17th overall - 2013)
Devin Bush (1st Rd - 10th overall - 2019)

 

[Cincyfan78]

Pitt - Devon Bush. Steelers traded into the top 10 to draft at #10.

Browns - Mingo, drafted 6th overall in 1st round.

Bengals - Keith Rivers, drafted 9th overall (in the case of Wilson and Pollack, I believe both were moved to DE and did not play LB).

Ravens - Can't really think of one off hand...maybe Kindle, but he had a severe head injury that ended his career, much like Pollack and his broken neck - not sure I'm going to put either in that bust category specifically over guys who played and stunk.

 

[Cincyfan78]

For me...Bush by a hair over Mingo if only because the Steelers traded up, in a rare move for them, to draft him.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Man, it may be some recency bias, but I'll have a hard time not going with Devin Bush here... Steelers swapped 1sts & gave up a 2nd & 3rd to move up 10 spots in the 2019 draft to select Devin Bush. He had a pretty damn solid rookie year though before his controller became unplugged. He had a bad knee injury & was never the same. So for those that don't want to knock a guy for injuries... Make that what you will. He went to Seattle & then to Cleveland. From what I recall he had a bit of a resurgence in Cleveland, but landed himself in hot water over a physical altercation at a massage parlor just this offseason.

But Junkin... Only made it 2 seasons with the Browns before they parted ways. And only started a measly 7 games. He played 1 more season with the Cheifs, before he called it quits on his career.