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[deanpet21]

i most certainly can based on his 2 wins already and his record over the past 11 starts

no you cannot. that is the point. he wanst playing in those games

 

[gkekoa]

you can still play Wentz to see if we get to 6-6 and not lose the 2nd round pick.

Wentz has not played well enough at all to warrant being in the game. He doesn’t DESERVE more time. The mistakes he makes are not because he is unfamiliar with the system. Wentz lacks the fundamental ability to process information, move his feet, and know what the fuck is going on.

 

[gkekoa]

the team is better b/c the defense is playing better, and we are playing below avg teams like Indy and GB. Last week the defense kept us in the game not TH. Are you saying TH is responsible for the 3-game winning streak? lol

So JAX, DET, and CHI are good teams?

 

[deanpet21]

Wentz has not played well enough at all to warrant being in the game. He doesn’t DESERVE more time. The mistakes he makes are not because he is unfamiliar with the system. Wentz lacks the fundamental ability to process information, move his feet, and know what the fuck is going on.

I disagree. He should get more than 6 games to prove himself considering what was given up to get him.

 

[deanpet21]

So JAX, DET, and CHI are good teams?

No thats not the point. Wentz is the starter here and he deserves another shot. If he plays bad against Hou and ATL then go to Howell

 

[duke1861]

I disagree. He should get more than 6 games to prove himself considering what was given up to get him.

You can't use Rivera's incompetence as an excuse to play Wentz simply because of the absurd package we used to get him. Wentz had a 1/3 of a season and preseason to prove his worth. He is on his 3rd team and 3 years, so it's not just the Commanders that have seen what he can do.

For the last time...why did Rivera say "quarterback" when asked by reporters about what distances the Commanders from the rest of the division. You tried to purposely misinterpret what he said and I called you on it. "Why are teams in the division are further ahead at this point"

QUARTERBACK was the answer.

Same with draft picks. If a 5th-rounder player is outperforming a 1st-rounder...or if the 5th-rounder puts the team in a better place to win, you can't bench the 5th-rounder just because he is a later-round pick.

Rivera made the idiotic decision to go after Wentz and Rivera made the idiotic decision to bid against himself to acquire Wentz. I do NOT fault Rivera for going after a QB upgrade, but his logic and negotiating skills are beyond terrible.

I tried to tell you this when Rivera got hired when you were jumping up and down about it. You told me 3 years ago that Rivera would get "weapons" and make good free agent decisions in 2020. You could not have been more wrong. Rivera doesn't need to be anywhere near a front office. I told you that. You continue to support Rivera because you told me we should be "loyal" to the coaches. You even told me Rivera has done well "with what he has". None of that is true. Gruden had more on-the-field success in his first 3 years than Rivera has had...that is a fact and you can look it up for yourself.

Now the team needs to start Wentz simply because we put together a foolish package to get him?

 

[deanpet21]

You can't use Rivera's incompetence as an excuse to play Wentz simply because of the absurd package we used to get him. Wentz had a 1/3 of a season and preseason to prove his worth. He is on his 3rd team and 3 years, so it's not just the Commanders that have seen what he can do.

Same with draft picks. If a 5th-rounder player is outperforming a 1st-rounder...or if the 5th-rounder puts the team in a better place to win, you can't bench the 5th-rounder just because he is a later-round pick.

Rivera made the idiotic decision to go after Wentz and Rivera made the idiotic decision to bid against himself to acquire Wentz. I do NOT fault Rivera for going after a QB upgrade, but his logic and negotiating skills are beyond terrible.

I tried to tell you this when Rivera got hired when you were jumping up and down about it. You told me 3 years ago that Rivera would get "weapons" and make good free agent decisions in 2020. You could not have been more wrong. Rivera doesn't need to be anywhere near a front office. I told you that. You continue to support Rivera because you told me we should be "loyal" to the coaches. You even told me Rivera has done well "with what he has". None of that is true. Gruden had more on-the-field success in his first 3 years than Rivera has had...that is a fact and you can look it up for yourself.

Now the team needs to start Wentz simply because we put together a foolish package to get him?

Tell me again what RR has had at QB when he got here. The team needs to start Wentz b/c he is the better QB and TH has done NOTHING in training camp, preseason, or Regular season to say otherwise. Of course, if a 5th rounder outplays a 1st rounder the 5th rounder plays. In this case that is not the truth. TH hasn't outplayed anybody. You can make the argument that Howell outplayed him in TC and preseason.

Going back to weapons. RR signed back TM. Drafted Gibson and Dotson, Acquired Samuel (hurt for 1 year) Thomas, and JD. Not great but not bad. You also said no one would sign here and the two most important guys on the team TMac and Allen did.

 

[Sportster 72]

And the beat goes on ......

Y'all better hope for a YOLO ball every week. Still seems like a pointless argument to me. The team needs a QB unless Howell can be that guy.

 

[duke1861]

Tell me again what RR has had at QB when he got here. The team needs to start Wentz b/c he is the better QB and TH has done NOTHING in training camp, preseason, or Regular season to say otherwise. Of course, if a 5th rounder outplays a 1st rounder the 5th rounder plays. In this case that is not the truth. TH hasn't outplayed anybody. You can make the argument that Howell outplayed him in TC and preseason.

Going back to weapons. RR signed back TM. Drafted Gibson and Dotson, Acquired Samuel (hurt for 1 year) Thomas, and JD. Not great but not bad. You also said no one would sign here and the two most important guys on the team TMac and Allen did.

I said that in 2020...Thomas had 1 good year and JD is a 3rd down back. You claimed Rivera would get "weapons" not depth. You were wrong. Thomas had a great 2020 but is injury prone and has done little to nothing since then. JD is a scatback who is fast, but he is a 3rd down back and not a three-down back at all. They were both flash in the pans at this point. You literally put blind faith in Rivera because he had no front-office experience. We could have hired Krusty the Clown and you would have said the same things.

I can't believe you are defending Rivera as a GM...LOL. He has done a terrible job and you know. The roster is void of talent.

Rivera has brought in some offensive talent yes, but he has also made some bone-headed decisions regarding the LOS. I did say nobody would resign here. Logically, why on earth would they given the state of the franchise and the total lack of success in the past several years. Rivera is on pace for 5 straight losing seasons.

My guess is that TMac and Allen probably regret signing here given the constant circus. It was even reported this morning that players are angry with the way the Robinson situation was handled.

I assume because you do not answer my question about Rivera's comment, you have no answer. You don't want to admit that Rivera is even frustrated with your hero Wentz.

 

[duke1861]

Tell me again what RR has had at QB when he got here. The team needs to start Wentz b/c he is the better QB and TH has done NOTHING in training camp, preseason, or Regular season to say otherwise. Of course, if a 5th rounder outplays a 1st rounder the 5th rounder plays. In this case that is not the truth. TH hasn't outplayed anybody. You can make the argument that Howell outplayed him in TC and preseason.

Going back to weapons. RR signed back TM. Drafted Gibson and Dotson, Acquired Samuel (hurt for 1 year) Thomas, and JD. Not great but not bad. You also said no one would sign here and the two most important guys on the team TMac and Allen did.

Our own players have turned against the owner and environment Dean. Why would I not think our own players would NOT want to sign here. The culture is a mess.

BSJ said there is a "dark cloud" hanging over the organization. I applaud Allen and TMac for staying loyal....but my remark was NOT that off in a logical manner.

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[skinsdad62]

he has no proof that TH would have won those 2 games. I just giving it back to him. Thats all. He made the excuse first that TH would have been 2-4 not me.

do you know what the word EXCUSE MEANS DEAN ! damn

falco lost the game because of the refs is an EXCUSE dean , saying we could be 2-4 with falco or wentz is a statement

 

[skinsdad62]

no you cannot. that is the point. he wanst playing in those games

goddam dean falco is 9-4 over his last 13 starts , HIS STARTS

 

[skinsdad62]

I disagree. He should get more than 6 games to prove himself considering what was given up to get him.

we have 5 YEARS OF DATA DEAN 5 YEARS !

 

[skinsdad62]

No thats not the point. Wentz is the starter here and he deserves another shot. If he plays bad against Hou and ATL then go to Howell

wait falco is only winning because he played shitty teams but wince won against 2 shitty teams and that isnt the point ?

 

[deanpet21]

I said that in 2020...Thomas had 1 good year and JD is a 3rd down back. You claimed Rivera would get "weapons" not depth. You were wrong. Thomas had a great 2020 but is injury prone and has done little to nothing since then. JD is a scatback who is fast, but he is a 3rd down back and not a three-down back at all. They were both flash in the pans at this point. You literally put blind faith in Rivera because he had no front-office experience. We could have hired Krusty the Clown and you would have said the same things.

I can't believe you are defending Rivera as a GM...LOL. He has done a terrible job and you know. The roster is void of talent.

Rivera has brought in some offensive talent yes, but he has also made some bone-headed decisions regarding the LOS. I did say nobody would resign here. Logically, why on earth would they given the state of the franchise and the total lack of success in the past several years. Rivera is on pace for 5 straight losing seasons.

My guess is that TMac and Allen probably regret signing here given the constant circus. It was even reported this morning that players are angry with the way the Robinson situation was handled.

I assume because you do not answer my question about Rivera's comment, you have no answer. You don't want to admit that Rivera is even frustrated with your hero Wentz.

I m not defending RR as a GM. Im saying he brought in some weapons. Not great ones but doable. The guy cant work miracles.

 

[deanpet21]

we have 5 YEARS OF DATA DEAN 5 YEARS !

different offensive system and team. Apples and oranges

 

[deanpet21]

wait falco is only winning because he played shitty teams but wince won against 2 shitty teams and that isnt the point ?

no. TH has done nothing to be named the starter. He is playing b/c of injury The love for TH is amazing. you aleady admitted RR will go back to Wentz

 

[duke1861]

no. TH has dont nothing to be named the starter. The love for TH is amazing

I don't think it is that posters think Falco is all pro, it is that they like Falco more than Wentz and that is what bothers you.
You really like Wentz and that is fine. Not all fans, but most Philly, Indy and wsh fans do not care for Wentz.

 

[deanpet21]

I don't think it is that posters think Falco is all pro, it is that they like Falco more than Wentz and that is what bothers you.
You really like Wentz and that is fine. Not all fans, but most Philly, Indy and wsh fans do not care for Wentz.

I like who is better for our team. IMO Wentz is the better QB. Skinsdad already admitted RR will go back To Wentz when healthy, so I don't know what he is chirping about.

 

[gkekoa]

I like who is better for our team. IMO Wentz is the better QB. Skinsdad already admitted RR will go back To Wentz when healthy, so I don't know what he is chirping about.

Give me a reason that suggests Wentz is better for our team. There is no evidence to support this claim. Dad already gave you the win/loss over TH last starts. That is evidence.

TH completes a higher percentage of passes for more yards per completion than Wentz. TH takes fewer sacks.

This is evidence. RR making a choice is not evidence.