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I just read that the Skins have a totral of 4 LBs on the roster. Cole Holcomb, Jamin Davis, Milo Eifler and Bostic. Quick question ansd a comment. WTF is Milo Eifler and as former LBs both RR and Del Rio should be ashamed of themselves given the state of their LB situation. They really signed Bostic again - SMH. Good grief.
 

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@kbso83432 said - That's Bostic's strength.

Wait! What? Bostic has a strength? Who knew?
He does have a strength: Getting burned in pass coverage and whiffing on tackles....
 

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Would you rather have Mayo over Bostic?
I'm not sure what Bostic has left, but just on experience I'd go with him over Mayo. I'd still give Landon a call if I were them.
 

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I'm not sure what Bostic has left, but just on experience I'd go with him over Mayo. I'd still give Landon a call if I were them.

I understand why they brought back Bostic. He knows the system and is better than Mayo. The good LB's in FA either want too much money or don't want to sign here. So we have to settle for Bostic as a backup. We are overloaded at BN right now. Curl, BSJ, Forrest, and Butler.
 

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I like Curl at safety. BSJ is our slot and I'm not sure what Butler an Forrest can do. I guess the Skins are waiting to see how the young guys play and Landon is waiting for a SS to go down on another team.

Landon did have 7 TFL, 3 sacks and a couple of picks.
 

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I like Curl at safety. BSJ is our slot and I'm not sure what Butler an Forrest can do. I guess the Skins are waiting to see how the young guys play and Landon is waiting for a SS to go down on another team.

Landon did have 7 TFL, 3 sacks and a couple of picks.

He probably wants alot of money too. Flowers is still out there in FA too.
 

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I'm not sure what Bostic has left, but just on experience I'd go with him over Mayo. I'd still give Landon a call if I were them.
Bostic really had nothing left in 2021 when he got injured. He would be out of the NFL if it was not for Rivera.

Rivera wants to build his support system and is sacrificing talent to do so. Instead of looking to upgrade at LB, he went with his old pal Bostic.

Keep in mind, Bostic literally graded out as the worst starting MLB in the NFL in 2020. He has struggled to stay healthy in his career, however, when healthy, he has underperformed and graded very poorly. To state he is better than Mayo is probably a reach as they are probably equal in talent and production. Mayo was more of a ST player anyways.

This is a big miss for Rivera as he had the chance to add talent, youth, health, and speed at LB. We need those things. He simply brought in another cast away "yes man" to bolster his support system. Anyone who doesn't view this as a mistake has not seen Bostic play, or they did not watch the Commander's LB in 2021.

Those claiming he "knows" the system are missing the point. We need talent at the position, not players with familiarity who are injury prone. Bostic has no upside and should stay off the field as MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
 

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He probably wants alot of money too. Flowers is still out there in FA too.
Both of those guys would be a clear upgrade to what we have.
 

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Bostic really had nothing left in 2021 when he got injured. He would be out of the NFL if it was not for Rivera.

Rivera wants to build his support system and is sacrificing talent to do so. Instead of looking to upgrade at LB, he went with his old pal Bostic.

Keep in mind, Bostic literally graded out as the worst starting MLB in the NFL in 2020. He has struggled to stay healthy in his career, however, when healthy, he has underperformed and graded very poorly. To state he is better than Mayo is probably a reach as they are probably equal in talent and production. Mayo was more of a ST player anyways.

This is a big miss for Rivera as he had the chance to add talent, youth, health, and speed at LB. We need those things. He simply brought in another cast away "yes man" to bolster his support system. Anyone who doesn't view this as a mistake has not seen Bostic play, or they did not watch the Commander's LB in 2021.

Those claiming he "knows" the system are missing the point. We need talent at the position, not players with familiarity who are injury prone. Bostic has no upside and should stay off the field as MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
Well I'm definitely not going to put on my cape for Bostic. I've never really been a fan. I'm not expecting him to make plays for us. Right or wrong, I think they are all in on Cole. If he can help Cole it's a plus.
 

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Well I'm definitely not going to put on my cape for Bostic. I've never really been a fan. I'm not expecting him to make plays for us. Right or wrong, I think they are all in on Cole. If he can help Cole it's a plus.
And that is the problem. We are weakening the LB corp in moving Cole to a position he is NOT familiar with. They tried Davis at MLB last year...it failed. They moved Davis to outside LB after the error was realized.

Cole's best season was at outside LB last year and he is a better fit for that. They had Mayo at MIKE last year to free up Cole. We keep trying different mix and matches and should just do the smart thing and sign a freaking MIKE LB. Instead, we keep experimenting with it. If Cole is best suited for OLB, and has had his best success there, why change it?

We should have signed, traded for, or drafted (best option) a MIKE. For a head coach and DC to both be former LB, it literally makes no sense how they have approached this. Davis is more comfortable at OLB and Cole had his best season as an OLB...so....we are going to change things up now? I understand we run a 2 LB scheme, but it appears Rivera is looking to mask the mistake of drafting Davis last year. There is nothing in stone that says we must have Davis and Cole on the field at the same time. If they are BOTH natural OLB, then one starts and one sits. We should have brought in a natural MLB to fix this. Rivera keeps guessing here.


 

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All things considered...Rivera has done well with what he has had...LOL

Question: Why would the fans want a coach who has 3 winning seasons in 11 years also lead a front office as well?

Still waiting for someone to answer that one.
Honestly I believe his reputation with players and how well he is respected amongst his coaching peers keeps him viable. He hasn't really shown a ton of success as a winning football coach. He has shown coaching nepotism which hasn't helped him. You see how quickly he moved on from his former trainer? RR knew as the centric coach that RV was writing prescriptions needed to ensure he had ample pain meds on the road for his players. Ron knows more than you think.
 

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And that is the problem. We are weakening the LB corp in moving Cole to a position he is NOT familiar with. They tried Davis at MLB last year...it failed. They moved Davis to outside LB after the error was realized.

Cole's best season was at outside LB last year and he is a better fit for that. They had Mayo at MIKE last year to free up Cole. We keep trying different mix and matches and should just do the smart thing and sign a freaking MIKE LB. Instead, we keep experimenting with it. If Cole is best suited for OLB, and has had his best success there, why change it?

We should have signed, traded for, or drafted (best option) a MIKE. For a head coach and DC to both be former LB, it literally makes no sense how they have approached this. Davis is more comfortable at OLB and Cole had his best season as an OLB...so....we are going to change things up now? I understand we run a 2 LB scheme, but it appears Rivera is looking to mask the mistake of drafting Davis last year. There is nothing in stone that says we must have Davis and Cole on the field at the same time. If they are BOTH natural OLB, then one starts and one sits. We should have brought in a natural MLB to fix this. Rivera keeps guessing here.


How about drafting a real MLB in round 2?
 

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Honestly I believe his reputation with players and how well he is respected amongst his coaching peers keeps him viable. He hasn't really shown a ton of success as a winning football coach. He has shown coaching nepotism which hasn't helped him. You see how quickly he moved on from his former trainer? RR knew as the centric coach that RV was writing prescriptions needed to ensure he had ample pain meds on the road for his players. Ron knows more than you think.

How about drafting a real MLB in round 2?
Could have done that but Rivera created a hole by cutting IMan and letting Settle walk. He had to draft for depth in the 2nd because of his mistake.

The LB situation is a disaster. I have said that some posters here don't watch the games and that continues to get proven daily. There is literally no reason to bring in Bostic.
 

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I like Curl at safety. BSJ is our slot and I'm not sure what Butler an Forrest can do. I guess the Skins are waiting to see how the young guys play and Landon is waiting for a SS to go down on another team.

Landon did have 7 TFL, 3 sacks and a couple of picks.
I would put zero faith in Forrest who clearly couldn't tackle last year. Butler has shown little since drafting him. He can run, great.
The defense minus the front four actually sucks to be honest. Dreadful job upgrading by this coaching staff.
 

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Could have done that but Rivera created a hole by cutting IMan and letting Settle walk. He had to draft for depth in the 2nd because of his mistake.

The LB situation is a disaster. I have said that some posters here don't watch the games and that continues to get proven daily. There is literally no reason to bring in Bostic.
Ioanidis was a captain last week for the Panthers. He appeared to be in great shape. Going to miss him.
 

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And that is the problem. We are weakening the LB corp in moving Cole to a position he is NOT familiar with. They tried Davis at MLB last year...it failed. They moved Davis to outside LB after the error was realized.

Cole's best season was at outside LB last year and he is a better fit for that. They had Mayo at MIKE last year to free up Cole. We keep trying different mix and matches and should just do the smart thing and sign a freaking MIKE LB. Instead, we keep experimenting with it. If Cole is best suited for OLB, and has had his best success there, why change it?

We should have signed, traded for, or drafted (best option) a MIKE. For a head coach and DC to both be former LB, it literally makes no sense how they have approached this. Davis is more comfortable at OLB and Cole had his best season as an OLB...so....we are going to change things up now? I understand we run a 2 LB scheme, but it appears Rivera is looking to mask the mistake of drafting Davis last year. There is nothing in stone that says we must have Davis and Cole on the field at the same time. If they are BOTH natural OLB, then one starts and one sits. We should have brought in a natural MLB to fix this. Rivera keeps guessing here.


It's tough to write off Rivera's plan at LB before the season starts, but I can't say I disagree with you on anything you said.
 

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I would put zero faith in Forrest who clearly couldn't tackle last year. Butler has shown little since drafting him. He can run, great.
The defense minus the front four actually sucks to be honest. Dreadful job upgrading by this coaching staff.
Butler was allegedly the top ST safety in the draft. I think we should utilize that. Is he a starting BN or S in the NFL? It's too early to tell.

Forrest has looked ok in pre-season but as you said, struggled last year.

Like I said, what true moves were made to upgrade the defense? The posters "loyal" to Rivera have produced no evidence of course.
 

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Butler was allegedly the top ST safety in the draft. I think we should utilize that. Is he a starting BN or S in the NFL? It's too early to tell.

Forrest has looked ok in pre-season but as you said, struggled last year.

Like I said, what true moves were made to upgrade the defense? The posters "loyal" to Rivera have produced no evidence of course.
Not going to lie, I liked the hire. Up close, not so much. We appear to be the Carolina rejects without a SB appearance. He definitely won't get to one here this year or next so then what? Is he going to rehire his centric self? Lol.
 

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It's tough to write off Rivera's plan at LB before the season starts, but I can't say I disagree with you on anything you said.
I get your point, but it doesn't make sense. Why take a player who has grown and excelled at a position and change that?

The plan to date:
Davis at MLB = fail
Mayo at MLB = fail
Cole at MLB = ???

We are weakening OLB to experiment and shift Cole to MLB. Again, this is just reflective of the poor off-season strategy this front office continues to show. Instead of bringing in a solid, backup MLB, we have to bring in a mentor in Bostic. That doesn't make sense. Bostic might be a mentor, but he CANNOT play on the field and wastes a roster space.

Why not truly address the position by drafting a MLB or signing an AJ Johnson-type FA? Money is probably not a problem because FAs right now aren't employed. Cap room should not be an issue as we made several cuts. Why aren't we restructuring anyone then?
 
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