The Seattle Seahawks have traded for Jamaal Adams

[NWPATSFAN]

Well it's not a WR, yet? We'll have to wait and see? Maybe the next Edellman or Welker with the two conditional picks they get?

RB-needy Rams land Michel in trade with Patriots

The Rams have acquired running back Sony Michel in a trade with the Patriots, adding needed depth at the position.

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[SteelersPride]

I do think stats are part of the sum total. But as we've seen and you have pointed out, they certainly are not the be all, end all.

I'm still puzzled how BB and comapny can find receivers in the late rounds or on the FA scrap pile and make them stars. Yet can't draft one of any talent in the first round.

Time to fire the scouts? Would love to see how much weight and input each coach, scout, Director of Personnel, Director of Football research has had over the years with BB.

You know you make a point that i literally was wondering the other day. No one finds free agents, scrap pile guys, and late round picks like bill. But his early round picks , lets say rounds 1-3 generally arent good. Its baffling. He has control, so i wanna say its him. But it doesnt matter , he wins. But man if he could hit a few early rounders, just imagine where he would be…

 

[NWPATSFAN]

You know you make a point that i literally was wondering the other day. No one finds free agents, scrap pile guys, and late round picks like bill. But his early round picks , lets say rounds 1-3 generally arent good. Its baffling. He has control, so i wanna say its him. But it doesnt matter , he wins. But man if he could hit a few early rounders, just imagine where he would be…

I just posted about this. How much influence did his scouts, coaches, dir of personnel, dir of football ops have?

He's the final say. But like some of his onfield decisions I think maybe he can over-analyze?

 

[jarntt]

NE may not have a clear cut number one right now but they have a lot of talent at WR. Mainly 2 and 3s. Guys who can contribute on STs and now Harry, after having a decent camp/preseason is injured. So they have a lot of decisions to make.

I'd like to see NE trade a RB for a quality WR. NE is fat at RB.

I don't see it but I guess time will tell

 

[Southieinnc]

You know you make a point that i literally was wondering the other day. No one finds free agents, scrap pile guys, and late round picks like bill. But his early round picks , lets say rounds 1-3 generally arent good. Its baffling. He has control, so i wanna say its him. But it doesnt matter , he wins. But man if he could hit a few early rounders, just imagine where he would be…

There definitly have been Great picks, good picks, bad picks, reaches, dice rolls and such. He kept a team at the top of it's game after many years of drafting at much lower position. That meant he had to take risks.

There are a lot of things you cannot do well without taking risks.

Try to make money in the stock market by only making no-risk investments?
Try to win a race with defensive driving!
Try to win on the battlefield with your ammo safely locked up!

 

[SteelersPride]

I just posted about this. How much influence did his scouts, coaches, dir of personnel, dir of football ops have?

He's the final say. But like some of his onfield decisions I think maybe he can over-analyze?

Yup. I think all the folks combine maybe get 30% consideration and bb himself 70%. But its something… def can see over analyze

 

[SteelersPride]

There definitly have been Great picks, good picks, bad picks, reaches, dice rolls and such. He kept a team at the top of it's game after many years of drafting at much lower position. That meant he had to take risks.

There are a lot of things you cannot do well without taking risks.

Try to make money in the stock market by only making no-risk investments?
Try to win a race with defensive driving!
Try to win on the battlefield with your ammo safely locked up!

I understand that. But alot of his early picks have failed. Have they not?

 

[Southieinnc]

I understand that. But alot of his early picks have failed. Have they not?

An expected amount? More than the average top teams?
After the draft everybody gets a B or a C except the worst teams. Oh, and the local fave of the writer.

 

[Southieinnc]

I understand that. But alot of his early picks have failed. Have they not?

2021 draft. Which one is a bad pick?

 

[SteelersPride]

An expected amount? More than the average top teams?
After the draft everybody gets a B or a C except the worst teams. Oh, and the local fave of the writer.

Not sure why your’re adding on. Did his top
Picks work out. Period. Say the first 3 rounds. Not draft grades, not about takkng risks or making things work, did he draft well in early rounds?

 

[SteelersPride]

2021 draft. Which one is a bad pick?

Ummm tbd?where u trying to dance with this? It was actually us just spevulatinh about how much better the pats could of been. Acknowledging the uncanniness e has a at finding gems elsewhere n team building

 

[Southieinnc]

Not sure why your’re adding on. Did his top
Picks work out. Period. Say the first 3 rounds. Not draft grades, not about takkng risks or making things work, did he draft well in early rounds?

You are equating "draft well" with "success"
Patriots drafted very well this year. There will be no room for some of those players.

 

[Southieinnc]

Ummm tbd?where u trying to dance with this? It was actually us just spevulatinh about how much better the pats could of been. Acknowledging the uncanniness e has a at finding gems elsewhere n team building

Look at 2020.
Lot of good picks there. Did not have a 1st

 

[SteelersPride]

You are equating "draft well" with "success"
Patriots drafted very well this year. There will be no room for some of those players.

U dont know how they drafted this year yet. But you know that. Youre spinning.

yes teams that draft well generally do better. Teams with great coaches generally do well. Is this new knowledge?

Lets go with 2006. Terrible first 3-4 rounds.

 

[SteelersPride]

Look at 2020.
Lot of good picks there. Did not have a 1st

Forget it. You missed both our points, clearly.

not sure if sarcasm on 2020….think youre messing with and im too slow

 

[SJ76]

 

[Southieinnc]

U dont know how they drafted this year yet. But you know that. Youre spinning.

yes teams that draft well generally do better. Teams with great coaches generally do well. Is this new knowledge?

Lets go with 2006. Terrible first 3-4 rounds.

Now you are cherry-picking.
Look, I reallize that N'Keal Harry was not a good pick. It has made BB's drating leave a bad taste. There have been others.
It does not matter whether you see glass half-full or glass half-empty. Still justhalf a glass.

Look at 2018. We took Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michel,
Isaiah went down with injury and everyone screamed bad pick. He is now a very good LT on the best O-line in NFL (arguably)
Sony helped us win a Superbowl when we needed a RB. We are not so needy now. Everyone screamed about Sony as bad pick. Is he?

 

[SJ76]

I do think stats are part of the sum total. But as we've seen and you have pointed out, they certainly are not the be all, end all.

I'm still puzzled how BB and comapny can find receivers in the late rounds or on the FA scrap pile and make them stars. Yet can't draft one of any talent in the first round.

Time to fire the scouts? Would love to see how much weight and input each coach, scout, Director of Personnel, Director of Football research has had over the years with BB.

What’s even more weird is BB drafts these crazy athletic WRs with size early in drafts but finds WRs like Troy Brown, Edelen, Welker or Amendola, Gronk, David Givens

Brady made some of those guys really good tho

Deion Branch the only early WR pick that ever did anything?

 

[SteelersPride]

Now you are cherry-picking.
Look, I reallize that N'Keal Harry was not a good pick. It has made BB's drating leave a bad taste. There have been others.
It does not matter whether you see glass half-full or glass half-empty. Still justhalf a glass.

Look at 2018. We took Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michel,
Isaiah went down with injury and everyone screamed bad pick. He is now a very good LT on the best O-line in NFL (arguably)
Sony helped us win a Superbowl when we needed a RB. We are not so needy now. Everyone screamed about Sony as bad pick. Is he?

Whose cherry picking now. Theres plenty of years…. I didnt say he never had a good draft or never picked good players…yes sony was a bad pick.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Whose cherry picking now. Theres plenty of years…. I didnt say he never had a good draft or never picked good players…yes sony was a bad pick.

Why was Sony a bad pick?

31st overall when NE needed a RB.
He averaged 900 yds on the ground in his first two seasons. His 3rd season he only played 4 games IIRC? He averaged 6.5 TDs a year on a Tom Brady led team. As Southie mentioned he also helped win that SB, scoring the only TD.

All in all, minus his durability he was a decent pick.