Where will Lilliard get traded to?

[TheLonestarDUCK]

He won’t be traded

 

[tlance]

If they wanted to build a team for the future instead of the past, they'd trade LeBron straight up for Lillard (give or take some picks), but the national media wouldn't ever let them get away with that.

Man that is dumb.

Portland wouldn’t do that first of all.

2nd, at his age, if he doesn’t like where he is dealt he can just retire.

3rd, and perhaps most importantly, you just can’t trade an icon like LeBron unless he wants to be traded. He doesn’t have a no trade clause, but he doesn’t need one. He is in control.

 

[Breed]

One Lakers fan.

The vast majority of us know its not going to happen

Word. I was more speaking about some homies I know that are Laker fans. You know em I'm sure. They think every FA superstar or disgruntled stud is gonna wind up a Laker.

 

[Iggloo]

Another scenario Philly has to seriously consider is being the third team in a Lillard trade. If they can move Simmons and get good assets in return by being part of a three-way swap, that may be the smartest move, especially if they can shed Simmons and keep Maxey and Thybulle while potentially getting picks or other valuable assets to help them next year and into the future.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Another scenario Philly has to seriously consider is being the third team in a Lillard trade. If they can move Simmons and get good assets in return by being part of a three-way swap, that may be the smartest move, especially if they can shed Simmons and keep Maxey and Thybulle while potentially getting picks or other valuable assets to help them next year and into the future.

I don’t know. To me that seems like the “keep getting tossed in the 2nd round” move. In order to go next level you need a Beal or Lillard type to pair with Embiid to take them to that next level.

 

[Iggloo]

I don’t know. To me that seems like the “keep getting tossed in the 2nd round” move. In order to go next level you need a Beal or Lillard type to pair with Embiid to take them to that next level.

Normally I would agree, but I have faith in Morey to draft better. If you look at some of the teams in these playoffs, like the Suns and Hawks, they have young cores they have developed. The real issue may be, can Doc Rivers develop promising young players like Maxey, Thybulle and Paul Reed? If Morey adds one or two more players like that, and the others develop, watch out. We'd basically be Phoenix.

 

[tlance]

Another scenario Philly has to seriously consider is being the third team in a Lillard trade. If they can move Simmons and get good assets in return by being part of a three-way swap, that may be the smartest move, especially if they can shed Simmons and keep Maxey and Thybulle while potentially getting picks or other valuable assets to help them next year and into the future.

See, this is what you and others were saying before. It is the wrong mindset.

They don’t need to “shed Simmons”.

They need to trade him (maybe plus some minor assets) for a legit star who will fit Embiid better.

There are moves out there if Morey pushes the right buttons.

But simply shedding Simmons is not going to make Philly better.

 

[Iggloo]

See, this is what you and others were saying before. It is the wrong mindset.

They don’t need to “shed Simmons”.

They need to trade him (maybe plus some minor assets) for a legit star who will fit Embiid better.

There are moves out there if Morey pushes the right buttons.

But simply shedding Simmons is not going to make Philly better.

I think you totally miss my point. What I am saying is, Lillard is great, but they should also be open to other scenarios to improve the roster. Yes, presumably you will want some real value for Ben Simmons, not just picks but another talented player. That appears to be exactly what the Sixers are requesting per Chams and others--an All-Star in return.

Dame is not the only way to improve the roster and get another star to complement Embiid, which is the heart of the issue.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Normally I would agree, but I have faith in Morey to draft better. If you look at some of the teams in these playoffs, like the Suns and Hawks, they have young cores they have developed. The real issue may be, can Doc Rivers develop promising young players like Maxey, Thybulle and Paul Reed? If Morey adds one or two more players like that, and the others develop, watch out. We'd basically be Phoenix.

The Sixers with Embiid have a very small window. Tomorrow is never promised with a big man especially with Embiid’s injury history. This is an odd plan about drafting better. Why? They will be picking 25 or later. Drafting better there means you get a 15-18 minute bench guy and every so often you find Siakam Jimmy Butler or Tony Parker. But those are 3 guys inside of like 25 years of drafts. Lillard represents the best basketball player and best fit with Embiid Harris on the market this off season. It’s not the only way to improve the roster. But it’s clearly the very best way and the way that allows them to really compete for a title instead of adding another 2nd round exit. Sixers have 3 years tops of Embiid being a top 5 player. They have to go for it.

 

[The Q]

The Sixers with Embiid have a very small window. Tomorrow is never promised with a big man especially with Embiid’s injury history. This is an odd plan about drafting better. Why? They will be picking 25 or later. Drafting better there means you get a 15-18 minute bench guy and every so often you find Siakam Jimmy Butler or Tony Parker. But those are 3 guys inside of like 25 years of drafts. Lillard represents the best basketball player and best fit with Embiid Harris on the market this off season. It’s not the only way to improve the roster. But it’s clearly the very best way and the way that allows them to really compete for a title instead of adding another 2nd round exit. Sixers have 3 years tops of Embiid being a top 5 player. They have to go for it.

sixers don’t have that many picks available to make an offer.

idk how Portland values maxey, joe and reed.

I mean I like them a fair amount.

plus sixers gotta take jones

 

[tlance]

I think you totally miss my point. What I am saying is, Lillard is great, but they should also be open to other scenarios to improve the roster. Yes, presumably you will want some real value for Ben Simmons, not just picks but another talented player. That appears to be exactly what the Sixers are requesting per Chams and others--an All-Star in return.

Dame is not the only way to improve the roster and get another star to complement Embiid, which is the heart of the issue.

Dame is not the only way to improve the roster.

However, they do need to land a star if they trade Simmons. They need more than just another talented player if you want them to be actual contenders.

 

[Iggloo]

The Sixers with Embiid have a very small window. Tomorrow is never promised with a big man especially with Embiid’s injury history. This is an odd plan about drafting better. Why? They will be picking 25 or later. Drafting better there means you get a 15-18 minute bench guy and every so often you find Siakam Jimmy Butler or Tony Parker. But those are 3 guys inside of like 25 years of drafts. Lillard represents the best basketball player and best fit with Embiid Harris on the market this off season. It’s not the only way to improve the roster. But it’s clearly the very best way and the way that allows them to really compete for a title instead of adding another 2nd round exit. Sixers have 3 years tops of Embiid being a top 5 player. They have to go for it.

That's true, and why I think you do need to trade Simmons now. You can't keep waiting for this guy to potentially develop. Not when his offensive game has failed to improve one iota since coming into the NBA. It's fucking ridiculous. In hindsight, of course, Morey should have dealt Simmons a year ago. He reportedly wanted to do so, but was fixated on Harden and that didn't work out. He can't make the same mistake this offseason with Lillard. Sixers need to move on from Simmons, or at least recognize he cannot be a starting player for this roster anymore.

 

[Iggloo]

The Sixers with Embiid have a very small window. Tomorrow is never promised with a big man especially with Embiid’s injury history. This is an odd plan about drafting better. Why? They will be picking 25 or later. Drafting better there means you get a 15-18 minute bench guy and every so often you find Siakam Jimmy Butler or Tony Parker. But those are 3 guys inside of like 25 years of drafts. Lillard represents the best basketball player and best fit with Embiid Harris on the market this off season. It’s not the only way to improve the roster. But it’s clearly the very best way and the way that allows them to really compete for a title instead of adding another 2nd round exit. Sixers have 3 years tops of Embiid being a top 5 player. They have to go for it.

Again, I said earlier that I would trade Thybulle AND Maxey to land Lillard, and you pushed back. So I am not even sure what you are saying at this point.

I fully support making a run at Lillard with all assets sans Embiid. But, if it doesn't happen, they still need to trade Ben Simmons and try to improve the roster somehow.

What I don't want to do is trade guys like Maxey and Thybulle unless it is part of a package fetching a true All-Star in return. And I don't want to give up a ton of picks because I think the Sixers have been pretty good about turning those picks into valuable assets.

Yes, you can't always do this, but the Sixers got Thybulle and Maxey in the 20s. Korkmaz was a 26th overall selection. I would be OK with them trading multiple firsts in a package for Lillard, but not giving away a bunch of firsts in a lesser trade, under the presumption that those picks aren't worth much. They are, for a competent GM.

Thybulle and Maxey aren't just promising young guys--they are highly valued because of the very fact that they were late first rounders and are now under fairly affordable contracts!

 

[trojanfan12]

Why? They will be picking 25 or later.

Agree. As an example, because the Lakers pick is #22 Lake Show Life on Fansided had an article listing the 5 best #22 picks in NBA history. Here is who they came up with:

5. Kenneth Faried
4. Jared Dudley
3. Mason Plumlee
2. Norm Nixon
1. Truck Robinson

Those are all nice players that will help your team. None of them come close to Lillard or Simmons. That's the level of player you can hope to add picking in the 20's.

 

[tlance]

Agree. As an example, because the Lakers pick is #22 Lake Show Life on Fansided had an article listing the 5 best #22 picks in NBA history. Here is who they came up with:

5. Kenneth Faried
4. Jared Dudley
3. Mason Plumlee
2. Norm Nixon
1. Truck Robinson

Those are all nice players that will help your team. None of them come close to Lillard or Simmons. That's the level of player you can hope to add picking in the 20's.

Key word there being hope.

The worst # 22 picks in history are going to be guys we have never heard of before.

Those 20 something picks have value, but Anything you get from picks is a bonus.

 

[The Q]

Key word there being hope.

The worst # 22 picks in history are going to be guys we have never heard of before.

Those 20 something picks have value, but Anything you get from picks is a bonus.

yup. The spurs made a living getting contributors who helped their big 3.

they rarely mortgaged a future first.

you can argue it cost them a few titles.

but they kept the engine running.

Lebron likes to light them on fire for guys who at least have played in the NBA before (cough cough mozgov cough cough)

 

[fightinfunbags]

sixers don’t have that many picks available to make an offer.

idk how Portland values maxey, joe and reed.

I mean I like them a fair amount.

plus sixers gotta take jones

Derrick Jones? If that means getting Lillard, I’m on board. But if the Blazers are getting Simmons Jones value goes up for Portland. He’s best as a transition player. A guy like Simmons gets guys out in transition.

 

[The Q]

Derrick Jones? If that means getting Lillard, I’m on board. But if the Blazers are getting Simmons Jones value goes up for Portland. He’s best as a transition player. A guy like Simmons gets guys out in transition.

idk. It’s like having two Simmons on the court at the same time.

plus nurkic

I mean Portland might sell nurkic and Covington if they get Simmons to go more with a 2-3 year rebuild

 

[fightinfunbags]

idk. It’s like having two Simmons on the court at the same time.

plus nurkic

I mean Portland might sell nurkic and Covington if they get Simmons to go more with a 2-3 year rebuild

I think Covington is more likely to be the salary shed desire if Portland is looking for that. I don’t know that Portland had that leverage here though

 

[The Q]

I think Covington is more likely to be the salary shed desire if Portland is looking for that. I don’t know that Portland had that leverage here though

I disagree. He has a lot of value.

he went fir 2 firsts last year. They can get at least one back imo.