Please explain???

[j_y19]

You are right j_y, he is not the best QB on the team right now but he has the most upside/potential.

I am cracking up at how this guy is getting the same love as Griffin did. Haskin's has a great arm, he has to learn the rest of the skills at the NFL level.

So many people are talking about how unfair he was treated by being inserted into the game. Was it any more unfair than Mason Rudolph or a thousand others. If his numbers were reversed they would all be running around saying what a great find he was.

It was one fucking game by a very inexperienced player. Chill!!! But play him now so the team can see if they get a high draft choice and there is someone they like they can switch gears. I don't think switching gears is going to happen because this guy is Dan's pick. I would want to know before going into the next draft though.

Look at what Philly went through until they got Wentz … and then his backup won the Super Bowl.

I agree. Play him and see what we got. Don't expect perfection, but expect growth. See if he can learn from his mistakes.

But, as I already pointed out, as long as Gruden is coaching for his career, he is going to go with the QB that gives him the best chance of a win on Sunday. And you can't fault him for that.

 

[kbso83432]

Tweet from Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Tweeted: It’s funny to watch all of the Haskins lovers now starting to claim that Haskins was actually great but the Skins ruined him. Half a dozen teams I respect had him in the 3rd round or later, and 14 teams passed on him, plus none tried to trade up for him. Now it’s the Skins fault

 

[skinsdad62]

Tweet from Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Tweeted: It’s funny to watch all of the Haskins lovers now starting to claim that Haskins was actually great but the Skins ruined him. Half a dozen teams I respect had him in the 3rd round or later, and 14 teams passed on him, plus none tried to trade up for him. Now it’s the Skins fault

I don’t know what he is talking about and what fans he arbitrarily lumps in to fit his talking point

Haskins isn’t ruined , however Gruden is mishandling him so far . Get him reps before putting him in

 

[kbso83432]

He was no doubt referring to Louis Riddick and Shefter going off on the Skins last night for how they have handled Haskins.

 

[Sportster 72]

He is getting the same reps any other backup gets. I see no problem at all.

 

[kbso83432]

He is getting the same reps any other backup gets. I see no problem at all.

lol....right

 

[j_y19]

lol....right

Actually, it’s true. Backups get very few reps with the 1st team. On every team. The Redskins are not unique there.

 

[kbso83432]

I wasn't being sarcastic. lol

 

[Stymietee]

I don't know that I agree he is the "best" QB on the team right now. He is the QB with the most potential as well as the most dynamic QB on the team. But if my sole focus was wins (which it is for Gruden since he is probably coaching for his job), then I can understand why Gruden might not play him. Lets face it, his inexperience will lead to mistakes. Probably more mistakes than the other 2 QBs on the team. Since Gruden isn't worried about next year, or the development of the next QB (since he probably won't be here), his decisions are completely understandable.

No, the confusion over what to do with Haskins needs to be solved by the FO. Either let Gruden go or tell him to play Haskins and not worry about results this year.

So make the choice, is he or is he not the best player on the team?

Qualifying "I don't know that I agree..." literally says nothing about that status. I'll concede that every other point that you made about his "potential" "inexperience" etc. counts for something but so does this coaching staff's charge in getting all of their players ready to go because injuries happen as does poor play when they by necessity have to bench a player.

There have been many on our board who have argued with me about starting a highly drafted QB right away. (I disagreed) We are 4 games in and it appeared as if Haskins is a shell of the guy who played at O state, let alone the professional that he's supposed to be now. I don't want to go too long in this response, so I'll continue in another about "wins."

 

[Stymietee]

As mentioned earlier I am all in for all Dwayne all the time. Lets find out if he is a player before the next draft because we could be in position to draft very early and if there is a better QB he should be drafted. If Haskin's proves he is the guy then draft another position.

While I'm still against starting him now, there was mention in another's post about getting wins now, so I want to express a bit about that sort of focus.

Case is Kirk and Kirk is Case, you're not getting anymore or any less from starting that guy. Pretty good QB's in a system that fits what they do, but neither of these guys can elevate a team.

Colt, is career back-up, that can't be relied upon because he's injury prone. He's a fill in guy until the starter (Case or Kirk) are able to return.

This season appear to be lost and the focus has turned to wins. If we are to rely upon the "potential" that Haskins presents, then the quickest way to realize that potential is real time, live experience at this point in the season. If he's able to begin realizing that potential then the wins will also come.

I still say, sit him and start him next training camp with the first team, during the preseason and eventually in the season.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, it’s true. Backups get very few reps with the 1st team. On every team. The Redskins are not unique there.

Most teams have an established starter, they still prepare the back-up (just in case you know) but struggling teams do one of two things. They either start their newly acquired rookie QB from the beginning, or they get him ready to go if they have nothing else in place except that stop-gap starter.

We have two stop-gap players in Colt and Case, it changes nothing about continuing to prepare the rookie except, they'll use them both as a convenient excuse to explain why they aren't working at getting the rookie prepared and ready to go sooner versus later, if ever.

 

[Stymietee]

Tweet from Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) Tweeted: It’s funny to watch all of the Haskins lovers now starting to claim that Haskins was actually great but the Skins ruined him. Half a dozen teams I respect had him in the 3rd round or later, and 14 teams passed on him, plus none tried to trade up for him. Now it’s the Skins fault

Seems as if @Joe Banner is making shit up! Haskins has less than a full game under his belt! "Ruined him???" How? He's barely broken an NFL sweat!

 

[Sportster 72]

While I'm still against starting him now, there was mention in another's post about getting wins now, so I want to express a bit about that sort of focus.

Case is Kirk and Kirk is Case, you're not getting anymore or any less from starting that guy. Pretty good QB's in a system that fits what they do, but neither of these guys can elevate a team.

Colt, is career back-up, that can't be relied upon because he's injury prone. He's a fill in guy until the starter (Case or Kirk) are able to return.

This season appear to be lost and the focus has turned to wins. If we are to rely upon the "potential" that Haskins presents, then the quickest way to realize that potential is real time, live experience at this point in the season. If he's able to begin realizing that potential then the wins will also come.

I still say, sit him and start him next training camp with the first team, during the preseason and eventually in the season.

The team is 0-4, from my stand point I could care less about wins now.

Gruden is gone sometime between this email and the end of the year. Haskins gets not only a new coaching staff but maybe an entire new offense. Kid seems to have talent but very short on experience. So he would be starting over with a new coach.

I was for sitting him for the year to let him learn but what is he going to learn from sitting if he is getting a new coach next year. Get the jump learning by playing now.

 

[Stymietee]

The team is 0-4, from my stand point I could care less about wins now.

Gruden is gone sometime between this email and the end of the year. Haskins gets not only a new coaching staff but maybe an entire new offense. Kid seems to have talent but very short on experience. So he would be starting over with a new coach.

I was for sitting him for the year to let him learn but what is he going to learn from sitting if he is getting a new coach next year. Get the jump learning by playing now.

I see your point and that is the ONLY reason why, I see any value in playing him this year. My real concern is that porous offensive line and his health being good for the new staff and system. If Gruden is fired or hopefully resigns then I'm with you!

 

[Sportster 72]

I see your point and that is the ONLY reason why, I see any value in playing him this year. My real concern is that porous offensive line and his health being good for the new staff and system. If Gruden is fired or hopefully resigns then I'm with you!

The line was my original worry too. I put a quarter on we are not going 8-3 after this coming Sunday. Let the kid play because we are in line for a very high pick or so it seems and ALL positions should be open.

 

[j_y19]

So make the choice, is he or is he not the best player on the team?

Qualifying "I don't know that I agree..." literally says nothing about that status. I'll concede that every other point that you made about his "potential" "inexperience" etc. counts for something but so does this coaching staff's charge in getting all of their players ready to go because injuries happen as does poor play when they by necessity have to bench a player.

There have been many on our board who have argued with me about starting a highly drafted QB right away. (I disagreed) We are 4 games in and it appeared as if Haskins is a shell of the guy who played at O state, let alone the professional that he's supposed to be now. I don't want to go too long in this response, so I'll continue in another about "wins."

No, he is not the best player on the team.

How one can determine that Haskins is a shell of the guy at OSU after 20 snaps is beyond me. Especially since he only played in 13 games at OSU so it’s very possible that we really don’t know what kinda guy he really is. The data sample is just too small.

Yes, the coaching staff is charged with winning games. It is reasonable that one could assume that part of that charge is preparing all players to perform once on the field. I can’t imagine anyone arguing about this.
It appears that maybe the question is really about should this coaching staff be doing more to prepare Haskins? If you were Gruden and coaching for your career game by game, what would you do?

 

[j_y19]

I see your point and that is the ONLY reason why, I see any value in playing him this year. My real concern is that porous offensive line and his health being good for the new staff and system. If Gruden is fired or hopefully resigns then I'm with you!

This is the only legitimate concern in playing the kid now. His safety.

 

[Stymietee]

No, he is not the best player on the team.

How one can determine that Haskins is a shell of the guy at OSU after 20 snaps is beyond me. Especially since he only played in 13 games at OSU so it’s very possible that we really don’t know what kinda guy he really is. The data sample is just too small.

Yes, the coaching staff is charged with winning games. It is reasonable that one could assume that part of that charge is preparing all players to perform once on the field. I can’t imagine anyone arguing about this.
It appears that maybe the question is really about should this coaching staff be doing more to prepare Haskins? If you were Gruden and coaching for your career game by game, what would you do?

"It appeared as if" is not determinative, it is however, speculative (a viewpoint) and I own the right to have that. With respect to "what kind of guy he really is..." that's true of every player in the NFL. Here's the point in all of this, we indeed do have a sample size, yes it's small but it's there. The QB that I (emphasis on "I") saw didn't remind me of the player that "I" saw when he played at O State, he in fact looked worse to me.

There's zero doubt that he was not prepared to go into that game or any game and if you want to talk about that we can do that as well. Keep in mind that according to Gruden and all reports coming out of Ashburn Case during the week was wearing a walking boot and dealing with some sort of foot issue. You have said here that "the back-up usually doesn't get reps in practice' or something to that effect correct? That said, wouldn't you agree that in this instance (Case's readiness at question) getting the back-up some work at practice was damned near a necessity?

This is already a long response so the answer to what I would do will be in my next post.

 

[j_y19]

"It appeared as if" is not determinative, it is however, speculative (a viewpoint) and I own the right to have that. With respect to "what kind of guy he really is..." that's true of every player in the NFL. Here's the point in all of this, we indeed do have a sample size, yes it's small but it's there. The QB that I (emphasis on "I") saw didn't remind me of the player that "I" saw when he played at O State, he in fact looked worse to me.

There's zero doubt that he was not prepared to go into that game or any game and if you want to talk about that we can do that as well. Keep in mind that according to Gruden and all reports coming out of Ashburn Case during the week was wearing a walking boot and dealing with some sort of foot issue. You have said here that "the back-up usually doesn't get reps in practice' or something to that effect correct? That said, wouldn't you agree that in this instance (Case's readiness at question) getting the back-up some work at practice was damned near a necessity?

This is already a long response so the answer to what I would do will be in my next post.

I would absolutely think that you would want your backup to get reps when your starter(s) are nicked up and he is only a rookie.

The point I am making is that there is a disconnect between what Gruden needs to do as a HC trying to save his job and what is best for the development of the team's future franchise QB. And its a completely understandable disconnect that the FO has to address. Gruden is coaching game by game to save his job. At this point, he has zero motivation to develop a QB that really won't be ready until after this year. Because in all likelihood, gruden won't be here after this year unless he starts winning games. And clearly he has made the determination that both Case and Colt give him the better chance of winning this sunday.

 

[Stymietee]

No, he is not the best player on the team.

How one can determine that Haskins is a shell of the guy at OSU after 20 snaps is beyond me. Especially since he only played in 13 games at OSU so it’s very possible that we really don’t know what kinda guy he really is. The data sample is just too small.

Yes, the coaching staff is charged with winning games. It is reasonable that one could assume that part of that charge is preparing all players to perform once on the field. I can’t imagine anyone arguing about this.
It appears that maybe the question is really about should this coaching staff be doing more to prepare Haskins? If you were Gruden and coaching for your career game by game, what would you do?

If my coaching career was at jeopardy (and I doubt that Gruden is coaching for his career) then I would have no one to blame but myself, so here's what I would do to make sure that the jeopardy that I'm in is not self inflicted.

Jay is NO Jon when the subject is work. I say this because there are many reports about the relaxed atmosphere in which the players and his staff works. Joe Gibbs was well noted for sleeping on the coach in his office because he worked extremely long hours. That's me in a nutshell. I'll work (and function at a very high level) from sun up to sun down for days on end because the lives of my patients are at stake. That same work ethic, I'd carry as a head football coach because that's simply who I am. Every player, including my third string QB, would be minimally prepared to go into any game as needed and at best be functionally more prepared to beat the man in front of them more often than not. Why do this? First as always I'm a professional operator, people pay me to do a great job, personally, I rarely give less than 100% at anything that I do. Next, I have a responsibility to the men working for me, their careers are at stake as well. I could go on but instead let me say this. I don't know how old you are and/or if you remember Brian Mitchell. (yeah that one) He was the third string QB here at one time and guess what? He actually entered a game as the back-up QB and was fully prepared for that emergency. Now if Gibbs prepared his emergency QB, certainly Gruden could have made the effort to prepare his number two guy knowing that his starter was gimpy during the week. Perhaps you still disagree with this, but you asked what would I do.