Please explain???

[Stymietee]

One year ago, during a season filled with injuries this team was literally signing QB's off of the trash heap of failed and never were NFL level players. They subsequently managed to get them "ready" to play in a very short period of time. So here's the puzzle...

Knowing that they've had Dwayne Haskins in house since drafting him and that he was in line to be their back-up QB, especially to a gimpy Case Keenum, how is it possible that he was so totally unprepared to step in when called upon against the Giants? All theories are welcome!

 

[dcrising]

Pretty obvious Haskins is Raw. I believe he threw him in there to show tweedledee and tweedledum that.

 

[j_y19]

One year ago, during a season filled with injuries this team was literally signing QB's off of the trash heap of failed and never were NFL level players. They subsequently managed to get them "ready" to play in a very short period of time. So here's the puzzle...

Knowing that they've had Dwayne Haskins in house since drafting him and that he was in line to be their back-up QB, especially to a gimpy Case Keenum, how is it possible that he was so totally unprepared to step in when called upon against the Giants? All theories are welcome!

I don't think he was unprepared. What we saw was a raw rookie with loads of talent but very little experience. I'm sure he knows most of the playbook, now he just needs reps. Live reps. He will get better.

 

[Stymietee]

I don't think he was unprepared. What we saw was a raw rookie with loads of talent but very little experience. I'm sure he knows most of the playbook, now he just needs reps. Live reps. He will get better.

Pretty obvious Haskins is Raw. I believe he threw him in there to show tweedledee and tweedledum that.

Aren't they all raw? I get it, he's a rookie, but look at the difference between what we saw in him and what we see in other rookies who've had at least a week to prep for their first start or live game experience.

 

[j_y19]

Aren't they all raw? I get it, he's a rookie, but look at the difference between what we saw in him and what we see in other rookies who've had at least a week to prep for their first start or live game experience.

Most of the other rookies played in more that 13 games in college. Many played 3 or 4 times more. This was the big concern about Haskins. His field of work was very limited. But you can tell he has the skill set. He also appears to be very intelligent. He just has a larger learning curve than most.

 

[Stymietee]

Most of the other rookies played in more that 13 games in college. Many played 3 or 4 times more. This was the big concern about Haskins. His field of work was very limited. But you can tell he has the skill set. He also appears to be very intelligent. He just has a larger learning curve than most.

Good points and I take your perspective. I think that we have our guy and it's going to take time. I'm not sure if this restless fan base (or Dan Snyder) is willing to offer him that time. What's your position on playing him now?

 

[reptec101]

Im siding with Sty here. We have seen other rookies come in for other teams and play pretty well. Daniel Jones for one. Haskins looked like a deer in headlights.... scratch that,,, he looked like a squirrel trying to get to the other side of the road... ultimately getting squished by the car. Will he improve... odds are he will... how could he not... even JaMarcus Russell got better. Could it be he will just be another name in the long list of QB's that have tried their hand here. Not feeling to warm and fuzzy at the moment at our near distant future. We are a dysfunctional franchise who will need a new coach in weeks to come and with no real upside. We have a RB always hurt. We have a penalty seems every other play and Im starting to think we will get beat by Miami when the two teams play. Both will be 0'fers. This team gives me no hope. It's sad when you care more about your fantasy team then you do your pro team, but Snyder has caused his fan base to bail ship and find better things to do in the years present. We will have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft and for the life of me I can't believe they will not fuck that pick up. My only hope is that Snyder is looking like a genius at the moment for not signing KC to a long term deal.... so there is at least that hope that he might get the best player for our team with that pick. Fire Allen and things may start to improve. Until that day we will always be a below average team.

 

[j_y19]

Good points and I take your perspective. I think that we have our guy and it's going to take time. I'm not sure if this restless fan base (or Dan Snyder) is willing to offer him that time. What's your position on playing him now?

The horse is out of the barn. Play him, but keep expectations in line. Let him use this season as one long preseason. He will be miles ahead starting next year if he plays. But this probably won’t happen if Gruden remains as the HC.

 

[Sportster 72]

Stop with all the excuses. First of all Daniel Jones played three years in college, not one and he was coached by David Cutcliffe. I made this point pre-draft. One game isn't going to make Haskins career. Not everyone inside the building wanted Haskin's. He was a Dan Snyder pick which should be a red flag to start with. But it was only one game and he only got one day of starter reps if I heard right.

The trash heap guys although not NFL stars had years of NFL experience either playing or being with a team. Butt fumble was brought in because he had experience with O'Connell and Jackson had experience with someone also.

 

[Stymietee]

Stop with all the excuses. First of all Daniel Jones played three years in college, not one and he was coached by David Cutcliffe. I made this point pre-draft. One game isn't going to make Haskins career. Not everyone inside the building wanted Haskin's. He was a Dan Snyder pick which should be a red flag to start with. But it was only one game and he only got one day of starter reps if I heard right.

The trash heap guys although not NFL stars had years of NFL experience either playing or being with a team. Butt fumble was brought in because he had experience with O'Connell and Jackson had experience with someone also.

What are the excuses?

 

[skinsdad62]

For a rookie , with little college reps , of course he would look lost . The only thing that changes that will be meaningful reps . A few walk through reps won’t do it . Based on the presser today ( Monday ) he won’t get much either this week .

So commit to him or start colt or case again and let the chips fall where they may .

 

[skinsdad62]

I will go further, giving him some reps vs the giants won’t hurt him and sitting him vs the pats won’t either

So if the trot out lame ass colt or dick face case it won’t matter .

The defense might hold the pats to 55

 

[Stymietee]

I'm not sympathetic to the "he's young" "he's inexperienced" "had little college experience" etc. etc. crowd. What he is right now is a professionally paid football player. Few if any will deny that he is currently the best QB on the team despite the above mentioned challenges.

He's in the hands of professionals supposedly and they are charged with getting him fully prepared to do battle against other professionals. So let me ask you guys, if he is indeed the best QB on the team right now, is it fair to say that with proper preparation he gives you the best chance to win games? Now if he isn't being properly prepared then....

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not sympathetic to the "he's young" "he's inexperienced" "had little college experience" etc. etc. crowd. What he is right now is a professionally paid football player. Few if any will deny that he is currently the best QB on the team despite the above mentioned challenges.

He's in the hands of professionals supposedly and they are charged with getting him fully prepared to do battle against other professionals. So let me ask you guys, if he is indeed the best QB on the team right now, is it fair to say that with proper preparation he gives you the best chance to win games? Now if he isn't being properly prepared then....

Then we should fully commit to him and prepare him as best we can and take whatever needed lumps that come with it

 

[Stymietee]

Then we should fully commit to him and prepare him as best we can and take whatever needed lumps that come with it

Agreed since they seem to be hiding behind the very flimsy excuse "I'll go with the one who gives us the best chance to win" mantra. As you guys know, I'm one who believes that a young QB should sit and learn. Unfortunately, the only part that this organization has perfected is the sitting. I think that he should have gotten a lot more work during the preseason, and more work at practice with the first team.

The lame excuse of there not being enough time or not enough reps has run its course. I really don't want to hear that BS anymore, unless there's the additional comment "we're not doing everything that we can to win games because we don't choose to do that!"

 

[Sportster 72]

Sty the guy has the arm talent he does not have the game experience. He seems to have mental part of the game down but he has to learn all the little disguises teams will throw at him. The big question for him and for any QB is do you have the quick processing needed to play QB at this level. Most don't, not saying he doesn't but he is so raw. That is what he needs to improve. You can go the Mahomes route and let him sit and learn you can toss him in and let him sink or swim.

I don't think it is going to happen but if he was given a weeks reps and started against NE what would you expect from him. I think BB would have him so confused. But, would he learn more from making the mistakes and then seeing what the mistakes were or would he learn more from learning in the film room?

I am NOT in favor of Colt playing but it might be best to sacrifice Colt then go back to Dwayne.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty the guy has the arm talent he does not have the game experience. He seems to have mental part of the game down but he has to learn all the little disguises teams will throw at him. The big question for him and for any QB is do you have the quick processing needed to play QB at this level. Most don't, not saying he doesn't but he is so raw. That is what he needs to improve. You can go the Mahomes route and let him sit and learn you can toss him in and let him sink or swim.

I don't think it is going to happen but if he was given a weeks reps and started against NE what would you expect from him. I think BB would have him so confused. But, would he learn more from making the mistakes and then seeing what the mistakes were or would he learn more from learning in the film room?

I am NOT in favor of Colt playing but it might be best to sacrifice Colt then go back to Dwayne.

You make great points and I won't disagree with any of them, I just don't want any more of the lying about what's going on with this team. Gruden is undecided about which of the three will play against N.E., yeah right, he knows that it's going to be Colt if healthy and Case if Colt can't go. End the drama with Dwayne. Make one public pronouncement and that either has to be "we're getting him ready to go as quickly as possible and will start him at some point this year." or Dwayne will be inactive just as soon as Colt returns, we're planning for a long term future with him and are determined not to mess him or the process up by rushing things."

I'm still not in favor of the "sink or swim method" especially on this squad where it's more likely an injurious experience than a learning one. We've seen that before! Now if he has the week to prepare, I believe that we see few interceptions, probably none, but a bunch of sacks. We also get more success on those deep throws. His mobility is what I thought it to be when I researched him before the draft. Because our run game is non existent any offensive production would have to come from his efforts and that means less time of possession. Would it be a good experience for him? well, I don't know, because that would depend on Moses and company not getting him killed.

 

[Sportster 72]

You make great points and I won't disagree with any of them, I just don't want any more of the lying about what's going on with this team. Gruden is undecided about which of the three will play against N.E., yeah right, he knows that it's going to be Colt if healthy and Case if Colt can't go. End the drama with Dwayne. Make one public pronouncement and that either has to be "we're getting him ready to go as quickly as possible and will start him at some point this year." or Dwayne will be inactive just as soon as Colt returns, we're planning for a long term future with him and are determined not to mess him or the process up by rushing things."

I'm still not in favor of the "sink or swim method" especially on this squad where it's more likely an injurious experience than a learning one. We've seen that before! Now if he has the week to prepare, I believe that we see few interceptions, probably none, but a bunch of sacks. We also get more success on those deep throws. His mobility is what I thought it to be when I researched him before the draft. Because our run game is non existent any offensive production would have to come from his efforts and that means less time of possession. Would it be a good experience for him? well, I don't know, because that would depend on Moses and company not getting him killed.

As mentioned earlier I am all in for all Dwayne all the time. Lets find out if he is a player before the next draft because we could be in position to draft very early and if there is a better QB he should be drafted. If Haskin's proves he is the guy then draft another position.

 

[j_y19]

I'm not sympathetic to the "he's young" "he's inexperienced" "had little college experience" etc. etc. crowd. What he is right now is a professionally paid football player. Few if any will deny that he is currently the best QB on the team despite the above mentioned challenges.

He's in the hands of professionals supposedly and they are charged with getting him fully prepared to do battle against other professionals. So let me ask you guys, if he is indeed the best QB on the team right now, is it fair to say that with proper preparation he gives you the best chance to win games? Now if he isn't being properly prepared then....

I don't know that I agree he is the "best" QB on the team right now. He is the QB with the most potential as well as the most dynamic QB on the team. But if my sole focus was wins (which it is for Gruden since he is probably coaching for his job), then I can understand why Gruden might not play him. Lets face it, his inexperience will lead to mistakes. Probably more mistakes than the other 2 QBs on the team. Since Gruden isn't worried about next year, or the development of the next QB (since he probably won't be here), his decisions are completely understandable.

No, the confusion over what to do with Haskins needs to be solved by the FO. Either let Gruden go or tell him to play Haskins and not worry about results this year.

 

[Sportster 72]

You are right j_y, he is not the best QB on the team right now but he has the most upside/potential.

I am cracking up at how this guy is getting the same love as Griffin did. Haskin's has a great arm, he has to learn the rest of the skills at the NFL level.

So many people are talking about how unfair he was treated by being inserted into the game. Was it any more unfair than Mason Rudolph or a thousand others. If his numbers were reversed they would all be running around saying what a great find he was.

It was one fucking game by a very inexperienced player. Chill!!! But play him now so the team can see if they get a high draft choice and there is someone they like they can switch gears. I don't think switching gears is going to happen because this guy is Dan's pick. I would want to know before going into the next draft though.

Look at what Philly went through until they got Wentz … and then his backup won the Super Bowl.