Bucks are looking to dump Snell's and Ilyasova's contracts at draft night.

[Stakesarehigh]

Why are you stuck with CP3? I only mentioned him as an example.... say that is Harden instead.... Or even OKC (who is deep into the lux tax) with either Wesrbrook's or PG's contract...

Ok... take this example... Orlando wants to buy PG from OKC and the Thunder want to give away as little as possible from loosing PG, but to dump 13M of salary too... and then Orlando comes up with Gordon + a pick + JR Smith...

Well Gordon a pick and Smith makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Bucks package you posted

Harden and Westbrook aren't going anywhere tho

 

[buckalis]

Well Gordon a pick and Smith makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Bucks package you posted

Harden and Westbrook aren't going anywhere tho

Who gives a fuck for what makes sense here?
It's only an example so that I can explain to him why JR Smith's contract is so valuable and in what way...

Wipe the names of players and teams out if you want...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Who gives a fuck for what makes sense here?
It's only an example so that I can explain to him why JR Smith's contract is so valuable and in what way...

Wipe the names of players and teams out if you want...

That's why you have guys just making up shit to get Giannis lol

Point is it's only a worthwhile.discussion if it could actually happen

 

[buckalis]

That's why you have guys just making up shit to get Giannis lol

Point is it's only a worthwhile.discussion if it could actually happen

But it's not the subject under discussion... that's what I'm saying to you... JR Smith's contract (and it's use) is...

 

[flyerhawk]

Why are you stuck with CP3? I only mentioned him as an example.... say that is Harden instead.... Or even OKC (who is deep into the lux tax) with either Wesrbrook's or PG's contract...

Ok... take this example... Orlando wants to buy PG from OKC and the Thunder want to give away as little as possible from loosing PG, but to dump 13M of salary too... and then Orlando comes up with Gordon + a pick + JR Smith...

You were the one who brought up CP3.

Now you want to change to a wildly different hypothetical of the Thunder wanted to trade one of the 2 players they are not going to trade?

Any team that is trading for JR Smith is going to do it for 1 of two reasons.

1. To get cap space so they can sign a player on the open market. There are a couple of teams that might want to do this but it is a limited market.
2. To reduce their tax burden. The Thunder are the only team I could see doing this.

IMO, No. 1 is far more likely than No. 2 but No. 2 is possible.

Is it possible that a team would bring the Cavs in as part of a multi-team trade to make a deal work? Sure but it isn't very likely unless two teams have a specific trade they want to make and they need the 15 million to make it work. But even then it still would require two teams that want to make the deal AND the team short of salary to have players they could trade to the Cavs to make a Smith deal work.

 

[flyerhawk]

Who gives a fuck for what makes sense here?
It's only an example so that I can explain to him why JR Smith's contract is so valuable and in what way...

Wipe the names of players and teams out if you want...

Again, you are inventing a scenario that is unnecessary.

Let's say that the the Thunder were willing to trade PG to the Magic. Why would either team complicate things by requiring the Magic to first make a deal with the Cavs? The Magic could trade Gordon, Pick, and Mozgov. And if the Thunder really wanted to dump the salary they could then trade Mozgov to the Cavs for Smith.

Not that the Thunder are going to trade PG or RW.

We all understand the value of Smith's contract. We also understand that is has more value prior to July 2nd than after. But the ACTUAL value of his contract is defined by how many teams ACTUALLY WANT to trade for him.

This is a common problem that people have when they talk about expiring contracts. They think that an expiring contract has inherent value, similar to the value of a good player. It doesn't. It has relative value for specific teams that are willing to trade assets to clear out future cap space.

So if there is a team that is willing to give up assets to get $12 million in cap relief for next season, then Smith has value. If there isn't, then he doesn't have any value.

 

[buckalis]

You were the one who brought up CP3.

Now you want to change to a wildly different hypothetical of the Thunder wanted to trade one of the 2 players they are not going to trade?

Any team that is trading for JR Smith is going to do it for 1 of two reasons.

1. To get cap space so they can sign a player on the open market. There are a couple of teams that might want to do this but it is a limited market.
2. To reduce their tax burden. The Thunder are the only team I could see doing this.

IMO, No. 1 is far more likely than No. 2 but No. 2 is possible.

Is it possible that a team would bring the Cavs in as part of a multi-team trade to make a deal work? Sure but it isn't very likely unless two teams have a specific trade they want to make and they need the 15 million to make it work. But even then it still would require two teams that want to make the deal AND the team short of salary to have players they could trade to the Cavs to make a Smith deal work.

Right... that's why Cavs expectations aren't as high as some are suggesting here... The winners are both the teams that are involved...
The buyer because he achieves the trade with the minimum of losses and the seller because he saves the cap space needed to be saved with the minimum of roster loses... Cavs are only payed for their services of providing a useless (to them) contract (still winners though).

Not too many teams that are after JRSmith's contract either...

 

[flyerhawk]

Right... that's why Cavs expectations aren't as high as some are suggesting here... The winners are both the teams that are involved...
The buyer because he achieves the trade with the minimum of losses and the seller because he saves the cap space needed to be saved with the minimum of roster loses... Cavs are only payed for their services of providing a useless (to them) contract (still winners though).

The biggest problem for the Cavs is that Smith's contract value is time limited. They need a deal in the next 2 weeks or it is just another expiring for next year.

Honestly the Lakers are a team that would desperately want Smith but unless they were willing to give up Kuzma or the Cavs see something in Wagner that others haven't seen yet, they just don't have those assets.

 

[Shanemansj13]

But it's not the subject under discussion... that's what I'm saying to you... JR Smith's contract (and it's use) is...

You are the first one to start bringing up these dumb scenarios you stupid shithead lolzzz

 

[Shanemansj13]

Right... that's why Cavs expectations aren't as high as some are suggesting here... The winners are both the teams that are involved...
The buyer because he achieves the trade with the minimum of losses and the seller because he saves the cap space needed to be saved with the minimum of roster loses... Cavs are only payed for their services of providing a useless (to them) contract (still winners though).

Not too many teams that are after JRSmith's contract either...

Link? Source? Like I said, I will make a bet they will get a better pick than the 30th for Smith? Not guessing you will take that bet bc even you know your opinion is full of shit

 

[buckalis]

The biggest problem for the Cavs is that Smith's contract value is time limited. They need a deal in the next 2 weeks or it is just another expiring for next year.

Honestly the Lakers are a team that would desperately want Smith but unless they were willing to give up Kuzma or the Cavs see something in Wagner that others haven't seen yet, they just don't have those assets.

Exactly this... Nor the Bucks will be interested to trade for JR Smith unless they already have agreed on a trade with another team that will happen on July the 1st.
But if they do trade for JR Smith on the draft night, it will then mean that they do have a trade coming up on the 1st of July.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Link? Source? Like I said, I will make a bet they will get a better pick than the 30th for Smith? Not guessing you will take that bet bc even you know your opinion is full of shit

Most of his sources require you to "google it yourself"

 

[Heatles84]

Why are you stuck with CP3? I only mentioned him as an example.... say that is Harden instead.... Or even OKC (who is deep into the lux tax) with either Wesrbrook's or PG's contract...

Ok... take this example... Orlando wants to buy PG from OKC and the Thunder want to give away as little as possible from loosing PG, but to dump 13M of salary too... and then Orlando comes up with Gordon + a pick + JR Smith...

It's amazing that you keep thinking that the Thunder are trying to get out of the luxury tax and are actively shopping PG. Especially with the NBA as open as it's ever been this season.

 

[Heatles84]

Who gives a fuck for what makes sense here?
It's only an example so that I can explain to him why JR Smith's contract is so valuable and in what way...

Wipe the names of players and teams out if you want...

That's your first problem.

 

[richig07]

You did miss it because it never happenned...

Yes, it did and we all saw it

 

[Moab]

When did the definition of "team friendly" get changed from a contract that helps the team to at or close to the max available? I must've missed that memo.

 

[Shanemansj13]

LMAO Well there goes that 30th pick that the Cavs desperately needed

Bucks Trading Tony Snell To Pistons

Milwaukee is entering a crucial summer with Brook Lopez, Malcolm Brogdon, Khris Middleton and Nikola Mirotic all headed for free agency. Every dollar the team can unload will help with luxury tax concerns. Once the deal with Detroit is complete, the Bucks can create up to $14MM in cap room that can be used to re-sign Lopez, notes Bobby Marks of ESPN (Twitter link).

What I have been saying all along

 

[CitySushi]

LMAO Well there goes that 30th pick that the Cavs desperately needed

Bucks Trading Tony Snell To Pistons

Milwaukee is entering a crucial summer with Brook Lopez, Malcolm Brogdon, Khris Middleton and Nikola Mirotic all headed for free agency. Every dollar the team can unload will help with luxury tax concerns. Once the deal with Detroit is complete, the Bucks can create up to $14MM in cap room that can be used to re-sign Lopez, notes Bobby Marks of ESPN (Twitter link).

What I have been saying all along

Lol and the Bucks had to take Leuer back. Basically Snells contract is so bad the Bucks had to give up the 30th pick just to shed 4m of the bad contract. LOL.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Lol and the Bucks had to take Leuer back. Basically Snells contract is so bad the Bucks had to give up the 30th pick just to shed 4m of the bad contract. LOL.

Soooo bad lolzzz

 

[flyerhawk]

LMAO Well there goes that 30th pick that the Cavs desperately needed

Bucks Trading Tony Snell To Pistons

Milwaukee is entering a crucial summer with Brook Lopez, Malcolm Brogdon, Khris Middleton and Nikola Mirotic all headed for free agency. Every dollar the team can unload will help with luxury tax concerns. Once the deal with Detroit is complete, the Bucks can create up to $14MM in cap room that can be used to re-sign Lopez, notes Bobby Marks of ESPN (Twitter link).

What I have been saying all along

It was always dubious that the Cavs would give up the Smith contract AND take on Snell's contract for a late 1st.