Oklahoma and Texas leave the Big 12 as a Package Deal/Where's the best place to land?

[mrwallace2ku]

Where's the best place to go.
Where's the best money.

pac12 once larry scott gets shit-canned...

 

[Goldbug]

It’s not just the governor that decides federal funding numbnuts. Your state isn’t run by a dictatorship.

What?! I didn't say anything about federal funding. I was obviously talking about OU and OSU possibly moving to a different conference and how the Oklahoma Governor would have a big say in that. Your West Vagina education is showing again.

 

[LawDawg]

It’s not just the governor that decides federal funding numbnuts. Your state isn’t run by a dictatorship.

What does federal funding have to do with anything we are talking about? And, if you don't think that politics at the highest levels would be involved in OU and OSU moving to a new conference, not sure what else there is to discuss.

 

[ralphiewvu]

What?! I didn't say anything about federal funding. I was obviously talking about OU and OSU possibly moving to a different conference and how the Oklahoma Governor would have a big say in that. Your West Vagina education is showing again.

Are you joking? WTF is the governor really going to do? It’s the state legislature that’s your problem.

 

[ralphiewvu]

What does federal funding have to do with anything we are talking about? And, if you don't think that politics at the highest levels would be involved in OU and OSU moving to a new conference, not sure what else there is to discuss.

Federal funding brought on by the highest level of politics is what I’m talking about. It’s not the governor that will have sole power in this. It’s the state legislature. But you’re right, you aren’t sure.

 

[LawDawg]

Federal funding brought on by the highest level of politics is what I’m talking about. It’s not the governor that will have sole power in this. It’s the state legislature. But you’re right, you aren’t sure.

I'll ask again ... what does federal funding have to do with whether tOSU will move to the same conference that OU does. That is the point we are discussing. I think you are debating something else.

 

[Goldbug]

Are you joking? WTF is the governor really going to do? It’s the state legislature that’s your problem.

You obviously didn't learn much of anything about state government budgeting and funding processes in high school or college. Governors have veto power over state budgets which are the life blood of state universities. Piss off the Gov and you've got major problems at a state university or a state college. Missouri, Kentucky, Florida, Nebraska, Wisconsin, California, etc. have all recently seen their Governors cut funding to state universities and colleges on a line item basis. The Regents are also appointed by the Governor. And legislative leaders look to the Governor for support when trying to get their pet bills passed into law. The Governor is the last person OU or OSU would want pushing against them if a move was being contemplated to a different conference. Especially in a state like Oklahoma that is a one-party state.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I'll ask again ... what does federal funding have to do with whether tOSU will move to the same conference that OU does. That is the point we are discussing. I think you are debating something else.

The OSU alums (I’m sure there is some) in the Oklahoma legislature can cut funding to OU if there boys are left in the cold. Perhaps federal was the wrong word.

 

[LawDawg]

Federal funding brought on by the highest level of politics is what I’m talking about. It’s not the governor that will have sole power in this. It’s the state legislature. But you’re right, you aren’t sure.

By the way, it's Boone T. Pickens that will have the final say on this, not the governor or the legislature. You can be sure of that.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You obviously didn't learn much of anything about state government budgeting and funding processes in high school or college. Governors have veto power over state budgets which are the life blood of state universities. Piss off the Gov and you've got major problems at a state university or a state college. Missouri, Kentucky, Florida, Nebraska, Wisconsin, California, etc. have all recently seen their Governors cut funding to state universities and colleges on a line item basis. The Regents are also appointed by the Governor. And legislative leaders look to the Governor for support when trying to get their pet bills passed into law. The Governor is the last person OU or OSU would want pushing against them if a move was being contemplated to a different conference. Especially in a state like Oklahoma that is a one-party state.

State legislatures also have the ability to override veto’s. Although majorities are needed usually.

 

[ralphiewvu]

By the way, it's Boone T. Pickens that will have the final say on this, not the governor or the legislature. You can be sure of that.

Now that, I agree with.

 

[LawDawg]

The OSU alums (I’m sure there is some) in the Oklahoma legislature can cut funding to OU if there boys are left in the cold. Perhaps federal was the wrong word.

Which is exactly what I said above:

"If you want OU, you have to take OSU ... they are a package deal. The Oklahoma legislature ain't letting it happen any other way."

 

[ralphiewvu]

Which is exactly what I said above:

"If you want OU, you have to take OSU ... they are a package deal. The Oklahoma legislature ain't letting it happen any other way."

An I never disagreed with that.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

You obviously didn't learn much of anything about state government budgeting and funding processes in high school or college. Governors have veto power over state budgets which are the life blood of state universities. Piss off the Gov and you've got major problems at a state university or a state college. Missouri, Kentucky, Florida, Nebraska, Wisconsin, California, etc. have all recently seen their Governors cut funding to state universities and colleges on a line item basis. The Regents are also appointed by the Governor. And legislative leaders look to the Governor for support when trying to get their pet bills passed into law. The Governor is the last person OU or OSU would want pushing against them if a move was being contemplated to a different conference. Especially in a state like Oklahoma that is a one-party state.

I will add there are other powers in the state government that control the money too. These powers can make it very difficult on the state universities to get their State Dollars. This would all be unbeknownst to the legislature and the governor. The State Comptroller.

The State Comptroller is the one that actually disburses the money. If they say they don't have the money, guess what, the money doesn't go out. The politicians are the public face and mouthpieces on it, but the Comptroller has a lot of say in it.

Office of Management and Enterprise Services (OMES) - Comptroller

I know for a fact how much pain they can cause a University if they decide to slow pay.

Several Universities in Illinois are struggling because of the Illinois crappy financial status. I am sure the same goes for Kentucky, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Connecticut those states also have budget problems. California is just a mess but their economy hides a lot.

WIU announces 132 layoffs
EIU struggling to recover from wounds inflicted by state budget impasse
Budget cuts will cost about 80 people their jobs at SIUC

The top 5 state in the best financial position are Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and South Dakota.

 

[Deep Creek]

The top 5 state in the best financial position are Florida, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and South Dakota.

I don't think that is what we were hearing from the Okie faithful. I live in the middle of the Texas oil patch and know oil prices haven't rebounded that much!

What say ye okies? Is the state doing better now?

 

[Rolltide94]

Not that much of a distance when you're only playing two cross division schools a year (9 game conference schedule).

PAC-16

PAC West
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon St.
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC

PAC East
Arizona St.
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
Texas

9 game conference schedule

LOL, who would we have to bitch about not playing teams in your conference if you guys did this.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

I don't think that is what we were hearing from the Okie faithful. I live in the middle of the Texas oil patch and know oil prices haven't rebounded that much!

What say ye okies? Is the state doing better now?

Oklahoma raised taxes to cover their budget shortfalls from the past.
Oklahoma can pretty easily raise taxes if it needs to again. It won't because that is political suicide.
Oklahoma had their credit rating raised. Lowers rates on borrowing money, encourages investors.
Oklahoma has some of the lowest pension obligations of any state. Compare that to California, Illinois, New Jersey, and New York. This is one of the worst budget problems states have.

 

[Deep Creek]

Oklahoma raised taxes to cover their budget shortfalls from the past.
Oklahoma can pretty easily raise taxes if it needs to again. It won't because that is political suicide.
Oklahoma had their credit rating raised. Lowers rates on borrowing money, encourages investors.
Oklahoma has some of the lowest pension obligations of any state. Compare that to California, Illinois, New Jersey, and New York. This is one of the worst budget problems states have.

Still, that ain't the same story I heard from my okie cousins in Yukon, OK as recently as last year.
newsok.com/article/5581967/budget-remains-biggest-challenge-for-oklahoma-lawmakers
www.csmonitor.com/Business/2017/1026/Oklahoma-cut-taxes.-Now-a-squeeze-on-public-services-forces-a-rethink

And, maybe, just maybe, those five states you mentioned "in the best financial position" may well be like being the tallest midget.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Still, that ain't the same story I heard from my okie cousins in Yukon, OK as recently as last year.
newsok.com/article/5581967/budget-remains-biggest-challenge-for-oklahoma-lawmakers
www.csmonitor.com/Business/2017/1026/Oklahoma-cut-taxes.-Now-a-squeeze-on-public-services-forces-a-rethink

And, maybe, just maybe, those five states you mentioned "in the best financial position" may well be like being the tallest midget.

tallest midget, is distinctly possible.

Still, getting your credit rating raised is very important. A billion here, a billion there, eventually you are talking about real money.

 

[Wheat]

T. Boone Pickens.

t-bones influence is at OSU, not in the BIG 12 or the Ok legislature He's a flipping texan.

The powers that be in the state government have long made it known that anywhere OU goes, so goes OSU.

Besides, t-bone is dying, and personally, I could care. He screwed over a lot of people when he was actively engaging in his greenmail tactics back in the 80's.

Fuck'em...