To the LeBron haters

[gordontrue]

Finals record directly relates to how many times a player achieved their ultimate goal.

# of Championships is what you are looking for

 

[StanMarsh51]

The reason being is because it's a stat - and those are the things used in debates my friend. Again, it can't just be excluded because it's a negative. A Finals record directly relates to how many times a player achieved their ultimate goal. IMO that is a pretty huge supporting factor.

One could turn ANYTHING into a stat....doesn't mean it's necessarily more valid than the next.

We could use this stat: # of times in the finals/total seasons, and Lebron comes out pretty well, no?


Finals record doesn't relate to how many times they achieved their goal, but finals wins does. No NBA player would rather be 1-0 in the finals than 3-6....being 1-0 as opposed to 3-6 means you won 2 less rings, which is the ultimate goal. Winning 25 games in a season and not making the playoffs doesn't hurt finals record, but you didn't achieve the ultimate goal...

 

[LAD]

Uh, yeah when those others are beclowning themselves...

Will take that with a grain of salt when coming from one of the biggest clowns...

 

[LAD]

# of Championships is what you are looking for

Is that not the ultimate goal - especially for LBJ?

 

[gordontrue]

Uh, yeah when those others are beclowning themselves...

Wow, what a great word. I thought you invented it but I checked and its a real word

 

[gordontrue]

Is that not the ultimate goal - especially for LBJ?

Yes. Absolutely. Correct.

 

[LAD]

One could turn ANYTHING into a stat....doesn't mean it's necessarily more valid than the next.

We could use this stat: # of times in the finals/total seasons, and Lebron comes out pretty well, no?


Finals record doesn't relate to how many times they achieved their goal, but finals wins does.

So you want us to consider "any stat"? So stats that you can pull out of your arse rather than the ACTUAL stats that are kept by the league?

So are you trying to tell me that a Finals record doesn't include how many times they've actually WON in the Finals?

I just can't...

 

[StanMarsh51]

So you want us to consider "any stat"? So stats that you can pull out of your arse rather than the ACTUAL stats that are kept by the league?

So are you trying to tell me that a Finals record doesn't include how many times they've actually WON in the Finals?

I just can't...

Finals record doesn't include how many times they didn't make the playoffs or finals, hence it doesn't fully show how many times you didn't accomplish the job. This is a very simple concept....

The fact that you'd rather be 1-0 in the finals than 3-5 is telling of your reasoning...winning less rings is better

 

[LAD]

Finals record doesn't include how many times they didn't make the playoffs or finals, hence it doesn't fully show how many times you didn't accomplish the job. This is a very simple concept....

The fact that you'd rather be 1-0 in the finals than 3-5 is telling of your reasoning...winning less rings is better

I said I'd rather have a WINNING RECORD- you were the one that ran with it & added numbers.

And again, Yes a Finals records in fact DOES tell us how many times they ACHEIVED their goal because it includes the # of wins. Including how many times they didn't make it wouldn't be necessary to get that data.

 

[Wamu]

Is that not the ultimate goal - especially for LBJ?

LeBron's ultimate goal should be to find a hair replacement product that works or find a barber to shave his dome. But he's a busy guy. So he can look into that when his playing days are over. Unless his hair completely falls out before that.

 

[LAD]

LeBron's ultimate goal should be to find a hair replacement product that works or find a barber to shave his dome. But he's a busy guy. So he can look into that when his playing days are over. Unless his hair completely falls out before that.

Haha. It's pretty bad too- I mean the camera caught a pretty good view of it the last time they played the Celts. The baldness goes all the way back past the crown of his head.

 

[Wamu]

I said I'd rather have a WINNING RECORD- you were the one that ran with it & added numbers.

The more Finals wins the better, hell yeah! That's why I always say: Robert 'bigshot bob' Horry (7 rings) > Michael 'shoulda got more rings' Jordan (6).

 

[Wamu]

Haha. It's pretty bad too- I mean the camera caught a pretty good view of it the last time they played the Celts. The baldness goes all the way back past the crown of his head.

I'm pretty sure each time I see him on tv he's got less & less hair.

 

[LAD]

The more Finals wins the better, hell yeah! That's why I always say: Robert 'bigshot bob' Horry (7 rings) > Michael 'shoulda got more rings' Jordan (6).

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Well now you're just throwing bait out there for a whole different debate.

 

[Wamu]

Well now you're just throwing bait out there for a whole different debate.

Okay you caught me.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I said I'd rather have a WINNING RECORD- you were the one that ran with it & added numbers.

And if the winning record comes with less finals wins, that means you're OK with winning less rings.....

And that's ridiculous...no player wants to win less rings.


Your logic is essentially the equivalent that gambling $1 to win $10 is better than gambling $200 to win $1,000, because gambling $1 to win $10 looks better looks better as a ratio, even though you walk away with less $ (in this case, rings).

 

[True Lakers Fan]

You assumed that you're the one 1 in this thread that doesn't like LeBron? Not buying that one. Both cheifslakers67 & shaqdaddy have posted in this thread & neither of them can stand LeBalding One. I have to admit though I would get a good laugh from the comments of Lakers fans if he's wearing the Purple & Gold next year. It could possibly make for some quality entertainment. Oh please let this happen!

Well, you know sometimes a person throws shit up in the air and hope it sticks, but I don't hate LeBron. He is one of the best players in the NBA and certainly the best since Kareem and Magic - but I don't gauge greatness by stats only, because stats only does not always give a person a complete picture. I don't gauge a person by greatness by championships alone either because that does not give a complete picture by itself either.

If LeBron comes to Los Angeles this year, I do believe the Lakers will be contenders and possibly win - Winning is good - I would love to beat Boston to a title and even that score to 17-17. T

That being said, I think the stats combined with # of championships is what tells the picture and that combination is why Tim Duncan with average stats ends up in the discussion - Took less money and worked closely with the Spurs to bring in players that would take them back to the finals. Accepted a lessor role to lengthen his career. Outstanding leadership that brought him back to the finals time after time. Athletic wise - LeBron is once in a generation, but mentally - Tim Duncan did all of the things to have one hell of a career and in the terms of greatness was better then Kobe. LeBron has not done all of the things like Tim Duncan. So while I do understand what the player fans that support LeBron are saying - I respectfully do not agree with them that LeBron is the best ever. The best ever cannot be measured by stats game states alone. Championships, awards, leadhership, and etc also count

 

[LAD]

And if the winning record comes with less finals wins, that means you're OK with winning less rings.....

And that's ridiculous...no player wants to win less rings.

I would imagine most LBJ fans would agree with your point - since he happens to be in the predicament of having more losses than wins. But fans of other great players with winning records probably really haven't had to think of it from that perspective.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Fuck up the program? When I have ever said something negative about your team? I would never do something like that.

Yes You would - and we would to about the Celtics - No rivalry has ever been like the Lakers and Celtics - Come on now

 

[StanMarsh51]

I would imagine most LBJ fans would agree with your point - since he happens to be in the predicament of having more losses than wins. But fans of other great players with winning records probably really haven't had to think of it from that perspective.

The goal in sports is to win championships, regardless of how many times you try.



Your logic is essentially the equivalent of saying that gambling $1 to win $10 is better than gambling $200 to win $1,000, because gambling $1 to win $10 looks better looks better as a ratio, even though you walk away with less $ (in this case, rings).