I think Palmer just took the lead for MVP

[Tainthappening]

I'll be waiting for something concrete to back up your arguement. Opinions don't hold weight without supportive stats. And the stats negate your arguement

Cool... and I need some accurate stats from you... Arizona does not have 30th RB being #6 rushing team in NFL with 2 RBs over 500 yards and 4.3 yards/carry (4.4 yards/carry Carolina). Cardinals also do not have #30 OL, another nice story you are trying to sell.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Cool... and I need some accurate stats from you... Arizona does not have 30th RB being #6 rushing team in NFL with 2 RBs over 500 yards and 4.3 yards/carry (4.4 yards/carry Carolina). Cardinals also do not have #30 OL, another nice story you are trying to sell.

Stewart has more rushing yards than Johnson fact. Carolinas O Line is far and away better than Arizonas fact. I still see anything substantial to support any of your opinions sorry still not good enough. Keep working tho

 

[PDay8810]

Carolinas O Line is far and away better than Arizonas fact.

LOL.....far & away

 

[TheRobotDevil]

LOL.....far & away

Far and away

 

[Tainthappening]

Stewart has more rushing yards than Johnson fact. Carolinas O Line is far and away better than Arizonas fact. I still see anything substantial to support any of your opinions sorry still not good enough. Keep working tho

Well now I think you do not even watch any Cardinals games... you do realize Chris Johnson went done injured and has not played since SF game. David Johnson has been starting at RB since then.

Chris Johnson 812 yards / 4 100 yard games
David Johnson 556 yards / 1 100 yard game (and 1 99 yard game)
Heck.. even Ellington has 289 yards, that is more than #2 Carolina back

Stewart 989 yards / 2 100 yard rushing games
2nd leading rusher for Carolina - Newton 626 yards / 1 100 yard rushing game

Maybe watch some football before throwing out stupid comments. Arizona as a team has 350 more rushing yards than Carolina if you remove the QBs.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Well now I think you do not even watch any Cardinals games... you do realize Chris Johnson went done injured and has not played since SF game. David Johnson has been starting at RB since then.

Chris Johnson 812 yards / 4 100 yard games
David Johnson 556 yards / 1 100 yard game (and 1 99 yard game)
Heck.. even Ellington has 289 yards, that is more than #2 Carolina back

Stewart 989 yards / 2 100 yard rushing games
2nd leading rusher for Carolina - Newton 626 yards / 1 100 yard rushing game

Maybe watch some football before throwing out stupid comments. Arizona as a team has 350 more rushing yards than Carolina if you remove the QBs.

Are you done making excuses for cam and neglecting to address the mass difference his O line makes. Still nothing keep working. SAll you've accomplished is basically saying saying is you feel Tom Brady should win MVP

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Are you done making excuses for cam and neglecting to address the mass difference his O line makes. Still nothing keep working. SAll you've accomplished is basically saying saying is you feel Tom Brady should win MVP

Work on the stats for win loss records and quality of all opponents, A break down of each defense they faced., how cam fared under pressure in comparison to palmer and a full break down of all stats in relation to their offensive lines. I expect substantial facts. Add Brady in too since you think he should win

 

[Tainthappening]

Are you done making excuses for cam and neglecting to address the mass difference his O line makes. Still nothing keep working. SAll you've accomplished is basically saying saying is you feel Tom Brady should win MVP

What I have learned.. you throw out erroneous facts, do not watch football and enjoy sending men to the basement.... no use in debating with you any longer.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

What I have learned.. you throw out erroneous facts, do not watch football and enjoy sending men to the basement.... no use in debating with you any longer.

That doesn't look like the stats you need to support your statements. You may want to get on that its going to take a while. Unless you're just conceding the MVP to brady under the standards you've set forth

 

[Arizona_Sting]

- 7 out of 8 experts on CBS predicted the Seahawks to win the NFC West.
- 2 of those 8 had them finishing in 3rd place.
- Sports Illustrated predicted an 8-8 season for Arizona.

Say what you want about our playmakers and defense but why were these predictions and experts all very cautious with picking AZ to do well? One reason… Carson Palmer. They had no idea how he'd come back from his injury and saw how bad we did without him last year. Quit acting like Carolina is the only team to exceed expectations this season. Arizona did as well and the MAIN reason for this is Palmer's play.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

View attachment 71269 - 7 out of 8 experts on CBS predicted the Seahawks to win the NFC West.
- 2 of those 8 had them finishing in 3rd place.
- Sports Illustrated predicted an 8-8 season for Arizona.

Say what you want about our playmakers and defense but why were these predictions and experts all very cautious with picking AZ to do well? One reason… Carson Palmer. They had no idea how he'd come back from his injury and saw how bad we did without him last year. Quit acting like Carolina is the only team to exceed expectations this season. Arizona did as well and the MAIN reason for this is Palmer's play.

Palmer is the bomb. Let's leave it at that sting.

No bad juju.

 

[Davis_Mike]

The only way Palmer wins the MVP is if the Cardinals win in week 17 & either the Panthers lose, thus losing the top seed, or Cam has an awful game.

 

[The Derski]

The only way Palmer wins the MVP is if the Cardinals win in week 17 & either the Panthers lose, thus losing the top seed, or Cam has an awful game.

I'm leaning towards agreeing with this. Palmer has played the QB position just about as good as you can play it. Coming off ACL surgery nontheless.

 

[The Derski]

"Palmer has so much talent around him"

If Palmer is gone the Cards don't win shit.

 

[johnson]

I just can't see them giving it to Palmer because of Cams rushing stats. If the Panthers lose next week and Cam plays poorly, while the Cards win and Palmer plays well, I could see it. However if the vote was today, they give it to Cam.

You are probably right, but if MVPalmer shreds the Seattle secondary twice and Cam just does okay against TB, I think it's MVPalmer's to lose. If Carolina loses...even more so. A lot of "ifs" there, I know.

 

[johnson]

Well now I think you do not even watch any Cardinals games... you do realize Chris Johnson went done injured and has not played since SF game. David Johnson has been starting at RB since then.

Chris Johnson 812 yards / 4 100 yard games
David Johnson 556 yards / 1 100 yard game (and 1 99 yard game)
Heck.. even Ellington has 289 yards, that is more than #2 Carolina back

Stewart 989 yards / 2 100 yard rushing games
2nd leading rusher for Carolina - Newton 626 yards / 1 100 yard rushing game

Maybe watch some football before throwing out stupid comments. Arizona as a team has 350 more rushing yards than Carolina if you remove the QBs.

If you remove the QBs?

Well no basements where I live and no stapler at home (no need) or at the office "paperless". Not buying your stats on the OLs and fact you call Ginn a weapon I at least have found some humor in this exchange.

I also like D. Johnson more than Stewart... both C. Johnson and D. Johnson average more yards per carry than Stewart (who I will say is a weapon... all 3 are weapons). I doubt you can find many Cards that do not agree regarding D. Johnson... he is great running the ball and catching it out of the backfield.

I think to compare Tedd Ginn to Larry Fitzgerald or the AZ WRs to CAR WRs isn't really fair. AZ's are superior. But if you add TEs, Carolina is far and away superior...AZ could combine all their TEs and it's not close to Olsen. Overall, Palmer has more weapons...but I think you are also being unfair characterizing the CAR O-line as bad. It's actually quite good.

And the stats do support Palmer being better under pressure and having to make plenty of throws in those situations. I think PFF had him as the best QB when throwing under pressure statistically (could have been #2, can't recall).

It's a legit debate.

 

[Tainthappening]

If you remove the QBs?
.but I think you are also being unfair characterizing the CAR O-line as bad. It's actually quite good.

Never posted Carolina Oline was bad, I was debating Arizona Oline being #30 in the NFL and their rush offense being #30 in the NFL per someone else´s erroneous stats.

Palmer has the better weapons receiving and running backs, Cam has the better oline. Cam duel threat, Palmer better pocket passer... not a clear cut winner at this point.

Agree could come down to week 17 now that Carolina lost a game.. whoever plays better could take home the MVP.

Probably better not to win MVP... MVP has not won Super Bowl since 1999 (Warner)... Brady(2007), Manning(2009, 2013), Gannon (2002) and Warner (2001) all lost Super Bowl as reigning MVP, others did not even make it that far.

 

[NinerSickness]

LOL.....far & away

 

[HaroldSeattle]

"Palmer has so much talent around him"

If Palmer is gone the Cards don't win shit.

The Cards did win a bunch of games last year without him. Think the Panthers win shit without Cam?

 

[The Derski]

The Cards did win a bunch of games last year without him. Think the Panthers win shit without Cam?

They barely made the playoffs and lost to a team without a winning record.